Apothecary Weight or What???

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Posting for a friend who dug this yesterday. Any ideas? Its brass the size of a half dime.

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I'm guessing 'coin weight' not apothecary. Interesting that it is 'crown shaped'. Never seen one like that... Can you tell exactly what the letters are? Maybe make a sketch?

Most British coin weights have S for shilling and P for Pence. So it might have a crown and S 2 P 6 for 2 shillings 6 Pence. I can't make any sense of yours. Maybe one of the Brits will chime in with more info.
 

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It’s possible that this might be a weight, but those markings have nothing whatsoever to do with weights.

What you have is a British Patent Mark (also known as a Lozenge mark and sometimes incorrectly as a ‘kite’ mark) to indicate that the item carrying the mark is protected by a design registration. It’s of the style in use between 1842-1867. The mark can be read as follows:

At the top is the roman numeral ‘I’ which represents the class of goods for the registration. Class I is for items made from metal (Class II is for wood, Class III for glass and so on up to XIII for textiles).

Directly below, the letter ‘H’ is a year letter, in this case it denotes 1843.

At the centre, you have ‘Rd’, which is just an abbreviation for “Registered”.

Either side of the ‘Rd’ you have the letter ‘B’ and the number ‘20’. These denote the month and day of the registration. The ‘B’ is for October, so the design was registered on 20th October 1843.

At the very bottom, you have the number ‘2’ and this is the ‘bundle number’ (also known as a ‘package number’) which indicates how many different items are covered by a single design registration. So, this is one of two items made to the same design.

I’m a bit doubtful that it’s a weight (or at least that it was originally produced as such). If it were, why were there two items made to the same design? If it were part of a set of weights made to the same design, surely there would be more than two of them?

It’s possible that this was scavenged from some unknown metal item and cut to that size/shape for use as a weight, but my guess is that it's just a broken piece from something larger... perhaps the foot from some kind of container or vessel(?) When I have a bit more time I’ll do a search on British Patents for that date to try and identify what it was originally.
 

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PS: I read the letter at the left as a 'B', not a 'P'.

The month letters don't follow a logical alphabetic sequence (you have to look them up from the appropriate tables), but the letter 'P' wasn't used.

It could possibly be an 'R', which would be August.
 

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Here's a source for similar ID's:
LOZENGE MARK - PATENT MARK (BRITISH)
Don.....

Thanks Don. Just to clarify, although the site you linked to is in reference to these marks on silver plate, that doesn't mean the item in question here was ever silver plated. Class I registrations are for metal items in general, whatever the metal.
 

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Bingo! I always have trouble reading letters stamped on metal in photographs.

It is indeed an ‘E’, giving the patent registration date of 20 May 1843. The patent was filed by Abraham Thompson of Little London, Willenhall for a ‘screw’ padlock. Little London is a large village near Willenhall in Staffordshire, England.

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