Tom_in_CA
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" Look at what you typed: "cultural heritage stuff." Do you really think these government agencies were created from people asking permission? "
Kentucky, no, of course the verbage they find did not necessarily come from people asking. Those things (like cultural heritage) probably started back in the 1906 version of ARPA, and so forth. Or "alterations" clauses existed before md'ing as well, so as to forbid vandalism and taking home all the tan-bark, etc... So you're right that the verbage they end up citing, was already there.
It was the asking that got the verbage applied to the question, or anyone to care about it. If you ask long enough, and hard enough, of enough bureaucrats, far enough up the chain, you can always find yourself a "no", at even the most innocuous of sandboxes. Because, gee, you might harm the earthworms, or lost & found laws, or potential disturbance of utilities (that nevermind are 5 feet down!), and so forth. But let's be honest, would those answers have ever been forthcoming, unless someone went asking? To "ask" merely presumes that something is inherently wrong, that you needed to ask, to be begin with. As if .... something is inherently evil or wrong with your hobby, (lest why would you be asking, if it was innocuos and harmless?). This subconscious effect is not lost on the person you're asking, so they'll look long and hard for something wrong (or simply give the "easy" answer), when truth be told, perhaps no one would ever have cared before, or thought to morph those things they eventually apply to your question.
For example: Did you know that *technically*, all of the state of CA owned beaches (of which most beach in CA are administered by) are off-limits? Why? because you might find something over 50 yrs. old. Yet I can tell you for a fact, that you can detect state of CA beaches till you're blue in the face, right in front of rangers, and no one ever cares. I guess it's just typically been deemed only to pertain to land parks, and not the beaches. Yet if you read closely, there's no distinction given. So you tell me: Is it a good idea to "ask" if you can hunt state of CA beaches? No, of course not. Why? Because the LAST thing you want them to do, is look it up in their books, and say "no".
Kentucky, no, of course the verbage they find did not necessarily come from people asking. Those things (like cultural heritage) probably started back in the 1906 version of ARPA, and so forth. Or "alterations" clauses existed before md'ing as well, so as to forbid vandalism and taking home all the tan-bark, etc... So you're right that the verbage they end up citing, was already there.
It was the asking that got the verbage applied to the question, or anyone to care about it. If you ask long enough, and hard enough, of enough bureaucrats, far enough up the chain, you can always find yourself a "no", at even the most innocuous of sandboxes. Because, gee, you might harm the earthworms, or lost & found laws, or potential disturbance of utilities (that nevermind are 5 feet down!), and so forth. But let's be honest, would those answers have ever been forthcoming, unless someone went asking? To "ask" merely presumes that something is inherently wrong, that you needed to ask, to be begin with. As if .... something is inherently evil or wrong with your hobby, (lest why would you be asking, if it was innocuos and harmless?). This subconscious effect is not lost on the person you're asking, so they'll look long and hard for something wrong (or simply give the "easy" answer), when truth be told, perhaps no one would ever have cared before, or thought to morph those things they eventually apply to your question.
For example: Did you know that *technically*, all of the state of CA owned beaches (of which most beach in CA are administered by) are off-limits? Why? because you might find something over 50 yrs. old. Yet I can tell you for a fact, that you can detect state of CA beaches till you're blue in the face, right in front of rangers, and no one ever cares. I guess it's just typically been deemed only to pertain to land parks, and not the beaches. Yet if you read closely, there's no distinction given. So you tell me: Is it a good idea to "ask" if you can hunt state of CA beaches? No, of course not. Why? Because the LAST thing you want them to do, is look it up in their books, and say "no".