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Silver Tree Chaser

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Although I had been out detecting often enough, my finds so far this year had come slowly - a trickle off several corroded coppers over the past few months and a worn-out Barber dime. One of the coppers found a few weeks ago was particularly bittersweet; it was a 1795 or 1797 Liberty Cap half cent with lettered edging. Sorry - I didn’t have the heart to post it. Mother Nature and long exposure to New England’s acidic soil had done its worst to Ms. Liberty. Despite my best hopes, the corrosion was too much. :sad1:

On my last outing, I made one stop at an old mill site that offered nothing but a lamp top and hunks of ferrous material. I left after an hour or so. Lately, I’ve had some difficulty in scouting for new promising sites, but the sparse finds at the mill prompted me to try for new prospects. Back in 2017, I had recovered a rare Native American pewter trade pipe from the 17th century in a wooded area that surrounded a later-period barn site. Sadly, much of the area had been recently lost to a new residential development, :sadsmiley: but an adjacent property looked equally promising. I had stopped by several weeks before to enquire about permission, but had to follow-up for a definitive answer. I felt some reluctance as I knocked on the front door owing to my appearance after digging earlier in the damp thickets surrounding the mill site. Covered in dirt, I only needed an orange jumpsuit and the sound of approaching bloodhounds to present the perfect image of an escaped convict. Happily, the property owners remembered my prior visit and were very welcoming. They kindly gave me permission and wished me luck. :sunny:

I wasn’t expecting much in my search. I was just happy to be searching near the approximate area where I had recovered the pewter trade pipe two years earlier. After recovering only one plain button after a half-hour or so, I dug for a signal near an intersection of stone walls. Surprisingly, a Victorian-Period cufflink with gold gilt and a glass stone came out of the hole. It was missing its clasp end, but I soon found that as well only 12” away.

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Instinctively, I searched further around the immediate area and came upon a solid signal (90 on the Deus) just a few feet away. I cut out a thick plug and pinpointed a clump of soil that produced a large silver coin. It had been a while since I’ve seen anything like that! I glanced at the dirt covered coin and could see a Seated Liberty figure. I was very happy having recovered my third Liberty Seated quarter in 30 years of detecting – or so I thought. I went on searching and recovered a 19th century tractor part, i.e., an ox shoe, an odd round disc of brittle pewter, and little else worth mentioning. The property owners were wonderful. I showed them what I had recovered and was invited into their home – straight to the kitchen sink to rinse the Liberty Seated quarter for a better look. I could barely discern the apparent date of 1875 on the coin. I was kindly invited to return another day to search further.

Upon returning home, I delayed examining the coin until I could do so with my 10-year-old son Matthew. When the time came, I grabbed a lamp and magnifying glass and explained to him the particulars of identifying old US coins. I verified that the date was 1875 and looked for the all-important mint mark, which was CC for Carson City, Nevada. I suggested that my son look for the mint mark as well by looking beneath the eagle on the coin’s reverse. Now I’m the king of wishful thinking :icon_king:, and I thought that the size of the coin looked a bit off. I had one or two fleeting thoughts of a 20-cent piece when first recovered but dismissed such notions as nothing more than a wishful thinking. Oblivious to the odd appearance of the eagle, (I think I was quite tired by the end of the day), I pointed out to my son that the mint mark was above the “cents” located near the coin’s rim – “CENTS” on a supposed “QUAR. DOL.” coin. I finally got it when I saw “TWENTY.” :idea1: I said to my son, “Oh my god, this coin is a twenty-cent piece!” My son replied in disappointment, “Wait a minute - this coin is only worth 20-cents?” :icon_scratch: I explained that it was the coin’s face value and then showed him its collector value in an old copy of Red Book.

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I didn’t hesitate at cleaning the coin with a brief cook of electrolysis – 30 seconds on each side of the coin and an extra 30 seconds on the coin’s reverse. I was very happy with the results and the coin’s overall appearance – no significant scratches or dings and just enough “LIBERTY” visible on the shield.

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The twenty-cent piece coin was only minted for circulation for two years – 1875 & 1876; it’s the shortest lived denomination of all US coins. A few hundred were minted as proof coins in 1877 & 1878. The coins quickly became unpopular with the public, as the coin was easily confused with the quarter due to its identical liberty image and similar size, and I totally agree. It fooled me for a while, and I couldn’t be happier to have been mistaken! So I didn’t find my third Liberty Seated quarter in 30 years of detecting, but that’s fine by me. :icon_thumleft:

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Still Awesome!!!!! Congrats!!!!!
 

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That thing is spectacular! Congrats!
 

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Such a Beautiful Coin!!! Congrats!!!!
 

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What an awesome, Rare find! Congratulations!

 

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There he is, or more like here I am. I haven?t been on Tnet forever and the first thing I see is you and a 20 cent beauty. Ha! Nice finds man
 

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@Silver tree - I definitely believe that electrolysis is the true way to go. I think a lot of the pre conditioned thought about cleaning coins is using physical means such as a stiff scouring brush or even steel wool.
I've seen people do this and arguably ruin their coin value by leaving scratches and haze of fine burnishing. You cannot deny that if you had a uncirculated coin and you clean it (why they would is beyond me) stupidly with abrasives and leave a rubbed finish, it's no longer uncirculated. That's an extreme example of course, but the thinking isn't all archaic.

However with proper electrolysis the argument can be made that no metal of the original coin is effected. The treatment removes particles due to the solutions attempt to transfer metal. But electrolysis does transfer metal as in baby shoe plating. But that's all acids and sulfuric chemicals with higher amps. Remember that? My first home biz was plating shoes and mementos, even leaves and bugs. So you're quick zap probably would improve the value of the item.

But I will say this, I always cringe when I see someone pull a coin or ring and start rubbing the dirt off right there to get a better look at it. THAT could permanently mar your find. I put things in my pouch without rubbing or handling any more than I have to get it put away.
If I think I have something valuable, the pouch gets dumped into a sink with hot water and dish soap. That's it, and I use the sink spray to clean things. My laundry tub is set up for this.
I will be setting up a small electrolysis spot as soon as I get my basement sorted out from our recent move to a new house. My old set was a Wagner I think and would be 40 years old today. I have an old working Lyonel train power unit that I think could work.

A very belated reply - I've was off the grid for a while due to a troublesome wrist injury - no detecting for the past four months. Thanks for resurrecting my post for a while. I totally agree with your perspective on the benefits of electrolysis and handling of a coin immediately after recovery. I don't attempt of coin cleaning/treatment until I get home. I'll douse a silver coin in water to get an ID, but I won't attempt anything with an old copper. I pack my fresh dug coppers in dirt with an air-tight container until I get home, after which it gets a light brushing followed by immediate soak in mineral oil. :icon_thumright:
 

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What a beauty it is. So what are you doing electrolysis you don?t just have the whole coin submerged?

Truth - I'm catching up with my posts, so in regards to your question, I submerge the whole coin, but as little of the attachment cathode as possible. I found that the spiraled copper wire with a clothes pin doesn't work as well with a heavily encrusted coin. I had that problem with a Pine Tree three-pence that I dug earlier in the year. I needed the tight bite of an alligator clip to get a sufficient current flow; however, I clipped the edge of the coin to avoid any gouging of the coin. It was nerve-wracking in the extreme. Mass Silver is very thin, and I sweated the process over concern that the coin was suddenly snap in half. :sad1::sad1: Thankfully, the operation was a success. :icon_thumleft:
 

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Scrappy:

I as well had been away for a while but recently came back to see that my Twenty-Cent Silver had been resurrected for a while. Good to hear from you!
 

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Congratulations! Beautiful coin and clean up...and very nice write up...:occasion14:
Forgot to mention the Victorian period cufflink? Just beautiful!
 

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Daaaaammmmmm!!! What a beautiful coin. Good job! Thanks for sharing all the details.
 

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Outstanding Silver!!! Congrats!!!
 

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Truth - I'm catching up with my posts, so in regards to your question, I submerge the whole coin, but as little of the attachment cathode as possible. I found that the spiraled copper wire with a clothes pin doesn't work as well with a heavily encrusted coin. I had that problem with a Pine Tree three-pence that I dug earlier in the year. I needed the tight bite of an alligator clip to get a sufficient current flow; however, I clipped the edge of the coin to avoid any gouging of the coin. It was nerve-wracking in the extreme. Mass Silver is very thin, and I sweated the process over concern that the coin was suddenly snap in half. :sad1::sad1: Thankfully, the operation was a success. :icon_thumleft:

Yeah buddy that?s what I use the alligator clip
 

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Very Very Nice!!!!! Congrats!!!!!
 

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