Button Help?

[FooserPaul]

Hello all!

My hunt today got very short due to work... and I got this button @ 7-8" ...

Front side is smooth.... was this just a standar button ??

Any idea's to age ?

Paul

 

[BuckleBoy]

Early 1800s British made. Regular civilian flat button.

 

[FooserPaul]

BB - Thank you!

 

[johnnyi]

Paul, if I can add to Buckle's perfect identification, this is a particularly beautiful example of a British button to be found here in the U.S.. As a poster pointed out several days ago, many British buttons that made their way to the U.S. at this time were embellished with American symbols; wreaths, eagles, etc., and those we do find that are blatantly English usually are just backmarked "London" gilt, etc.. This one of your's is British all the way. Not only is it in fantastic condition, but it bears a crown which I think anyone who digs a lot of buttons here in the U.S. will agree, is a very unusual find.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Great COMPLETE ID! Buckles and John. And yes. It's a Love -lay button

 

[CRUSADER]

Great COMPLETE ID! Buckles and John. And yes. It's a Love -lay button

Nearly, I think its William IV's Crown - 1830 to 1837

 

[johnnyi]

Good info crusader. I guess his very short reign explains why this particular backmark is so scarce over here.

 

[CRUSADER]

Good info crusader. I guess his very short reign explains why this particular backmark is so scarce over here.

Sadly, unless my buttons are somewhat decorated on the front, I don't keep them. However, I do remember finding some with Crowns but didn't pay them much attention. Still very few compared to the thousands I have found. So not that common over here either.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Good info crusader. I guess his very short reign explains why this particular backmark is so scarce over here.

Sadly, unless my buttons are somewhat decorated on the front, I don't keep them. However, I do remember finding some with Crowns but didn't pay them much attention. Still very few compared to the thousands I have found. So not that common over here either.

Or proberbly just that knacked that we haven't reconized them

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

Good info crusader. I guess his very short reign explains why this particular backmark is so scarce over here.

Sadly, unless my buttons are somewhat decorated on the front, I don't keep them. However, I do remember finding some with Crowns but didn't pay them much attention. Still very few compared to the thousands I have found. So not that common over here either.

Or proberbly just that knacked that we haven't reconized them

SS.

yeah, burnt & crusty

 

[Don in SJ]

I have quite a few of the crown buttons, but if those plain flatties are not cleaned and looked at on the back side a lot can be missed as having the crown, with crud covering. Here in the states it would be very foolish not to clean a plain flat button to see if the backmark is a valuable Jackson or or Patriotici type back mark. I know in the early years of detecting there would be disdain when finding out our target was a plain ole button, boy, am I glad we saw the light sooner than later. Have a few plain buttons that are great collectables and many others that the bacmarks are almost a work of art, great for displaying.

Don

 

[Silver Searcher]

I have quite a few of the crown buttons, but if those plain flatties are not cleaned and looked at on the back side a lot can be missed as having the crown, with crud covering. Here in the states it would be very foolish not to clean a plain flat button to see if the backmark is a valuable Jackson or or Patriotici type back mark. I know in the early years of detecting there would be disdain when finding out our target was a plain ole button, boy, am I glad we saw the light sooner than later. Have a few plain buttons that are great collectables and many others that the bacmarks are almost a work of art, great for displaying.

Don

I have to agree with you there DON

I never payed much attention to buttons(we find that many here) but recently thanks to T Net, I keep all my buttons and check them out , when I have a spare few minutes

SS

 

[CRUSADER]

I have quite a few of the crown buttons, but if those plain flatties are not cleaned and looked at on the back side a lot can be missed as having the crown, with crud covering. Here in the states it would be very foolish not to clean a plain flat button to see if the backmark is a valuable Jackson or or Patriotici type back mark. I know in the early years of detecting there would be disdain when finding out our target was a plain ole button, boy, am I glad we saw the light sooner than later. Have a few plain buttons that are great collectables and many others that the bacmarks are almost a work of art, great for displaying.

Don

I have to agree with you there DON

I never payed much attention to buttons(we find that many here) but recently thanks to T Net, I keep all my buttons and check them out , when I have a spare few minutes

SS

Same here. Although when cleaned & found to be blank, they go in the bargain bucket. (sold instead of trashed).

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

Paul, if I can add to Buckle's perfect identification, this is a particularly beautiful example of a British button to be found here in the U.S.. As a poster pointed out several days ago, many British buttons that made their way to the U.S. at this time were embellished with American symbols; wreaths, eagles, etc., and those we do find that are blatantly English usually are just backmarked "London" gilt, etc.. This one of your's is British all the way. Not only is it in fantastic condition, but it bears a crown which I think anyone who digs a lot of buttons here in the U.S. will agree, is a very unusual find.

I have only dug one or two with a crown back mark, One is very similar to yours, but no where near the condition of yours. Mine is an exceptionally heavy button for its size, and (if I remember correctly) rang up solidly like a coin, which is unusual for most buttons I find. Unlike Crusader, I never throw away a button, or even fragments from buttons. To me, each one is special. Yours is definitely a keeper to show off.

WTG!

 

[johnnyi]

"I never throw away a button, or even fragments from buttons. To me, each one is special. "

I agree 100% Neil. The whole story is told through the humblest objects as well as the "valuable ones" and their value is far far more when it is in context with what's found near them. Personally I don't sell any finds either, partly because it bothers me that such a precedent might encourage people to look at artifact hunting as a profit making persuit where only valuables are worthwhile and where context is of little or no value. .

 

[CRUSADER]

"I never throw away a button, or even fragments from buttons. To me, each one is special. "

I agree 100% Neil. The whole story is told through the humblest objects as well as the "valuable ones" and their value is far far more when it is in context with what's found near them. Personally I don't sell any finds either, partly because it bothers me that such a precedent might encourage people to look at artifact hunting as a profit making persuit where only valuables are worthwhile and where context is of little or no value. .

Maybe, I gave the wrong impression & you haven't been around enough to read me say. But I never sell anything I find.... except stuff I used to bin. Its a space issue, I'm already on 2383 buttons this year. 20 years of detecting means weeding out the trash. Better to sell trash than bin it. Nothing else is for sale, your can't dream a figure that would make me give up anything important & that includes my buttons (excluding plain/4 hole types).

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

"I never throw away a button, or even fragments from buttons. To me, each one is special. "

I agree 100% Neil. The whole story is told through the humblest objects as well as the "valuable ones" and their value is far far more when it is in context with what's found near them. Personally I don't sell any finds either, partly because it bothers me that such a precedent might encourage people to look at artifact hunting as a profit making persuit where only valuables are worthwhile and where context is of little or no value. .

"I never throw away a button, or even fragments from buttons. To me, each one is special. "

I agree 100% Neil. The whole story is told through the humblest objects as well as the "valuable ones" and their value is far far more when it is in context with what's found near them. Personally I don't sell any finds either, partly because it bothers me that such a precedent might encourage people to look at artifact hunting as a profit making persuit where only valuables are worthwhile and where context is of little or no value. .

Maybe, I gave the wrong impression & you haven't been around enough to read me say. But I never sell anything I find.... except stuff I used to bin. Its a space issue, I'm already on 2383 buttons this year. 20 years of detecting means weeding out the trash. Better to sell trash than bin it. Nothing else is for sale, your can't dream a figure that would make me give up anything important & that includes my buttons.

Here is my crown button from a while back. I have found more than 100 buttons in a quarter acre site, most civilian except the button (one of two) in my avatar.

 

[johnnyi]

Awsome crusader. I would love to see a thread someday of all your finds. It would be a long one, but amazing I'm sure..
After you explaing it all, I understand now how very possitive it is in your case to sell broken redundant objects, as you're selling to people with a pure appreciation of their history rather than their worth. Maybe you're even planting the seeds for a budding archeologist or two.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

And then we croak and it ends up back in the dirt. I donate most my junk to museums or give them to kids. Yeah I sell a bit. I don't give a hoot what any one thinks. The guy that buys the stuff would most likely cherish it just as much as any one else. Sorry, Can't take it with ya and the people you leave it to probably will sell it any way. To each his own...I'm happy in my world! lol JMO

 

[FooserPaul]

Get information, reply's and such...

Who would have thought a seeming simple button post would generate all that discussion :-)

Thank you alll..

Humbly....
Paul