Can anybody ID this buckle? Many Thanks!

creskol · Dec 23, 2010

I didn't dig it, but am trying to find info on it for the person that did.

Thanks a bunch!

creskol · Dec 23, 2010

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The seal is a modified New York State Seal, similar to this one:

Tnmountains · Dec 23, 2010

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Beautiful relic. These buckle guys will know :thumbsup:

creskol · Dec 25, 2010

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Must be a stumper! I think it must be some sort of post war (ACW - WWI) era buckle, probably from some sort of obscure organization. Definitely a New York Seal, but the swirly shield design, and the unusual symbol in the lower left corner has me stumped!

traderoftreasures · Dec 25, 2010

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Only 24 stars on the flag

Kenosha Kid · Dec 25, 2010

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creskol said:
...probably from some sort of obscure organization. Definitely a New York Seal, but the swirly shield design, and the unusual symbol in the lower left corner has me stumped!

The "swirly shield design" fits the "ornamental" design here:

http://www.fleurdelis.com/shields.htm

Your modified one looks like it has the mountains (from the original New York State Seal) placed into the first section (Quarterly I) with the sun symbol.

The "unusual symbol in the lower left corner" appears to be a "bishop's mitre", as seen on the coat of arms of Andorra:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coat-of-arms-of-Andorra/142444642437678

Now, if it is a bishop's mitre, that symbol is rarely seen on arms that are not those of a clergyman or connected to the church in some way. Both personal and impersonal arms were granted, with many different coat of arms created, from bishops to the Pope; from a school to an Archdiocese:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07243a.htm

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ecclesiastical_heraldry

The laurel wreath stands for peace and/or triumph; if they are bay leaves, then it means poet or victor's laurel.

A star (or stars) means celestial goodness; noble person; excellence. 24 stars can reference Missouri or the Philippines, but it more than likely has nothing to do with either, or the actual number of stars.

I'm not sure which would be more helpful for you to date this; the buckle by its design or track down the coat-of-arms...either one would probably help out with the other.

creskol · Dec 25, 2010

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Kenosha Kid said:
creskol said:

...probably from some sort of obscure organization. Definitely a New York Seal, but the swirly shield design, and the unusual symbol in the lower left corner has me stumped!

Click to expand...

The "swirly shield design" fits the "ornamental" design here:

http://www.fleurdelis.com/shields.htm

Your modified one looks like it has the mountains (from the original New York State Seal) placed into the first section (Quarterly I) with the sun symbol.

The "unusual symbol in the lower left corner" appears to be a "bishop's mitre", as seen on the coat of arms of Andorra:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coat-of-arms-of-Andorra/142444642437678

Now, if it is a bishop's mitre, that symbol is rarely seen on arms that are not those of a clergyman or connected to the church in some way. Both personal and impersonal arms were granted, with many different coat of arms created, from bishops to the Pope; from a school to an Archdiocese:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07243a.htm

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ecclesiastical_heraldry

The laurel wreath stands for peace and/or triumph; if they are bay leaves, then it means poet or victor's laurel.

A star (or stars) means celestial goodness; noble person; excellence. 24 stars can reference Missouri or the Philippines, but it more than likely has nothing to do with either, or the actual number of stars.

I'm not sure which would be more helpful for you to date this; the buckle by its design or track down the coat-of-arms...either one would probably help out with the other.

Holy Smokes, K.K. ... That's a BUNCH of info and some awesome research! That should keep me occupied for a while! Thanks a bunch! Hope you are having a great Christmas!

traderoftreasures · Dec 25, 2010

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do those guns look like the have bayonets?

creskol · Dec 25, 2010

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traderoftreasure said:
do those guns look like the have bayonets?

Yes, they do to me.

chetler · Dec 25, 2010

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I have seen a very similar item on school related stuff as well. I will look and see if I can find a pic...chetler

Bramblefind · Dec 25, 2010

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chetler said:
I have seen a very similar item on school related stuff as well. I will look and see if I can find a pic...chetler

I ran with that and found this which is getting maybe a little closer -

Creskol - can you give any info about where this was found? Was it in New York? At a house? or public area?

chetler · Dec 25, 2010

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What made me think it might be school related, was the "light". Most of the older school related stuff had some type of light source to indicate knowledge. I have some more recent ones that has a lamp to "illuminate"...chetler

creskol · Dec 25, 2010

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Bramblefind said:
chetler said:

I have seen a very similar item on school related stuff as well. I will look and see if I can find a pic...chetler

Click to expand...

I ran with that and found this which is getting maybe a little closer -

Creskol - can you give any info about where this was found? Was it in New York? At a house? or public area?

It was found in an old dump in Warwick, New York.

creskol · Dec 25, 2010

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chetler said:
What made me think it might be school related, was the "light". Most of the older school related stuff had some type of light source to indicate knowledge. I have some more recent ones that has a lamp to "illuminate"...chetler

Man .. that is close! Thanks very much for your efforts!