can these be arrow points?

[archer63]

hey guys i dug these at a I.T. site, the small one is about an 1 1/2 inches, looks like brass or copper. im not sure if its a tool or an arrow point. what do you think.?

 

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[Subterranean]

They look like the items described in Lar Hothem's book on Indian Artifacts as "Tinklers" a decorative cone attached to a necklace or belt. I can see another use as an arrowhead too. Are they copper? A very cool find, congrats. Sub.

 

[doublet2a]

They look like the items described in Lar Hothem's book on Indian Artifacts as "Tinklers" a decorative cone attached to a necklace or belt. I can see another use as an arrowhead too. Are they copper? A very cool find, congrats. Sub.

First thing that I thought too!

Tim

 

[archer63]

Hmm never thought of that. You could be right. Thanks for the tip

 

[Gunrunner61]

If they are made of Copper, then Id say you have a couple of Copper age arrowheads....................jmho..............................HH

 

[Indian Steve]

Hi, i would think arrowheads. Tinklers would have an opening at the pointed end for the cord to go thru to hang them on their clothes.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

If you wish I will move this to the indian artifact baord, you will get more responses there...... I would say they are arrowheads from the copper culture...... Very nice find too...

 

[Swartzie]

I would say they are copper points. Tinklers do not have such a pointy end. See this post on the Fur Trade Artifact forum: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/f...elics-1st-trade-axe-rolled-copper-points.html Nice find.

-Swartzie

 

[Little River Hunter]

Looks to me like its a rolled cone point. I've seen them made of copper, brass and iron from the 18th-20th centuries. If you found it in Ardmore, its probably Chickasaw or Choctaw. There was also a sprinkling of Natchez and Catawba Indians who merged with those tribes, but I'm unsure if they made rolled cone points, but its a good possibility. I haven't noticed any Plains tribes using them, but that doesn't mean they didn't. One paper states they were introduced by the Spanish while traveling through the SE. Nice find.

 

[Wildcat1750]

Cool find!
Nick

 

[Muddyhandz]

I haven't noticed any Plains tribes using them, but that doesn't mean they didn't.

They certainly did. I have found quite a few out here on the Prairies.

Definitely an arrow point.

As stated earlier, tinkling cones or janglers had an open end for cordage to tie through. A point would be closed and pointed like the one in this thread.

This is a historic find made from kettle scrap, not copper culture.

Nice find.
Cheers,
Dave.

 

[archer63]

wow now im really excited. i did find them in chickasaw territory, we also found several round balls. ive just never seen rolled points before. if youd like to move it to the indian board id say thank ya. thanks for all the responses

 

[acepro]

copper culture points are around 3000-4000 years old, when the glaciers swept by they left many pockets of copper and are usually about 95% pure... I geuss copper was easy to work with because its so soft.
nice find!

 

[tamrock]

In this article, these type of items found in Texas are identified as crossbow points left by Coronado's army, but I kind of have some doubts about the claim in the article of these being Spanish crossbow points. I think they're more native american made items made from scraps of copper obtained by trade. Discovering a Campsite in Texas | Planetary Science Institute

 

[Sidevalve45]

In this article, these type of items found in Texas are identified as crossbow points left by Coronado's army, but I kind of have some doubts about the claim in the article of these being Spanish crossbow points. I think they're more native american made items made from scraps of copper obtained by trade. Discovering a Campsite in Texas | Planetary Science Institute

Interesting reading. Thanks for the link. Sidevalve45.

 

[JRedHorse]

hey guys i dug these at a I.T. site, the small one is about an 1 1/2 inches, looks like brass or copper. im not sure if its a tool or an arrow point. what do you think.?

These are cones that were placed on Native American dresses called Jingle dresses, we used any disc shaped "lids" to create these, the dresses were worn in the Powwow circles and the "Jingle Dancers" could be heard as they danced. they also came in large sizes and the cones were made by rolling up the lids on tobacco cans.

 

[fyrffytr1]

These are cones that were placed on Native American dresses called Jingle dresses, we used any disc shaped "lids" to create these, the dresses were worn in the Powwow circles and the "Jingle Dancers" could be heard as they danced. they also came in large sizes and the cones were made by rolling up the lids on tobacco cans.

Can you tell me how these cones were attached to the dress?