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This pic,and a few others from different locales, show that big cats are running around Georgetown out of Auburn, and all over the place as protected species multiply like crazy. Watch your rear as they always hit from behind and quiet as a mouse...John
 

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There gods creatures un till you loose you life or your childs to one. Comparing it to lightning is imo inaccurate as its an odds game with these cats, when you put yourself in their environment constantly, bending over looking at the water constantly, have livestock or children and live somewhere that a lion has claimed as its habitat your odds double or triple of having a run in with one.. If your not worried about them while in any of these situations thats on you, but imo that is more idiotic than protecting yourself from the possibility of an attack. I love animals, ive never killed anything that wasnt justified be it game or for protection. Just because one protects himself doesn't mean they shouldn't be labeled as a whako with a gun out to kill animals..

I understand not? Worry!! whats to worry about?? Mortality?? Justification is the easy part! Too many things in this world can do a man harm... It only seems the COOL ones are given any thought?? Or the ones can be defeated by GUNS.. If a gun makes you safer then carry a gun. Me I suspect I am good without one....
 
It only seems the COOL ones are given any thought?? Or the ones can be defeated by GUNS.. If a gun makes you safer then carry a gun

There is nothing cool about a mountain lion attack. Im not posting to be cool or rant about killing lions or carrying guns, may be it has been taken out of context:dontknow:

Judging by everyone post and photos and experiences, its worth taking extra precaution especially alone prospecting and especially in this area because of environmental changes, that all im trying get across.
 
This pic,and a few others from different locales, show that big cats are running around Georgetown out of Auburn, and all over the place as protected species multiply like crazy. Watch your rear as they always hit from behind and quiet as a mouse...John



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I reckon so .................. Daayemn .
 
Mike we see bobcats all the time and occasionally a lion around the golf course in early morning. They feed on the rabbits of which are feeding on the grass on the golf course. I had walked down into the courtyard recently and a bobcat was laying on a table near the pool. The biggest problem are guest who are leaving food on trays outside. Years ago I came face to face with a lion. He was not frighten by me but I sure was frighten of him. Been seeing a big Mule Deer hanging around eating in a flower garden. Problem with him is everyone see's him due to the main road traffic and where he's feeding. Some (Me) bow hunter is going to pop him next season if he is still around and if I can draw the bow back. My luck the buck will run onto the golf course and die.

Keith, seeing bobcats like that would just be too cool. :icon_thumright:

Unfortunately, a few years back I had to put one down right
in my front yard. Two of my cats had gone missing, and one
of them was a middle aged, bad-assed feral tom I was working
with, so I knew it wasn't another cat, or even a dog that
could have got him. Walked out to get the mail one day, and
there's this bobcat sitting there beside the road, looking
at me. I could see right off the poor thing was in bad shape,
but also knew I was looking at the killer of my cats.

I still didn't want to kill it, but even if I called a game warden
in all they would have done is caged it, and then euthanized it
at some facility. No need for the critter to suffer and go through
all that stress. I went and grabbed a neighbor to get their opinion
(cat wasn't going anywhere, so no rush), and after looking
at her we both agreed it's best to put her down now. So, one
shot later (12 ga.) she was gone. When I picked her up I noticed
she couldn't have weighed more than 10-12 lbs, but at her body
size she should have been closer to 20+. Had one claw on each
front paw, no canine teeth left either. Guess she though the wooded
area in my front yard was a geriatric home for aged bobcat..lol

We have a healthy bobcat and cougar population here, but your
bobcats down in Arizona are far nicer looking. Up here they tend
to have more red and a very narrow white belly area due to living
in a forest region, but down there in AZ they have beautiful coloring
and a wide, white belly. Of course, they all look nasty mid-summer.

My first run-in with a cougar was in 1979, and at the time I had
been doing some early morning predator calling in an area called
"Boomer Hill", which is a few miles south of Roseburg, Oregon.
I had been sitting on the ground, and when I got up to leave, she
was locked up like a statue about 30 yds. away... directly behind me.
I could hear back then, and I hadn't heard a peep since I sat down.
Maybe she didn't expect me to be so big as all she had seen was
my upper torso from the back, but she just held her ground like
she was thinking of what the next move would be. I do recall that
my mouth was suddenly drier than a popcorn fart, but I managed
to yell at the cat "I don't want to shoot you..get outta here!"
Although I had a loaded .243 in my hands, I had no interest in
shooting that cougar. Still, being that close, if she would have so
much as flinched in my direction I'd have killed her. Lucky for us
both, she took one step back, turned left and then took off into
the timber.

It was a scary situation, but I didn't feel the "fear" part until
after I got back to my truck, and realized what had just transpired.
If I had sat there another 10 seconds she could have jumped me
from the back and I'd have never seen it coming. Worse yet I'd
been using a deer fawn bleat call hoping to get a few coyotes
in, so she was expecting to find "dinner". Lesson learned.

At the time I was working with my sister, who was the curator
of the Wildlife Safari park in Winston. My job was to cut up the
chow, and feed the cheetahs, the entire lion pride and the
tigers. I was used to being around big cats all day, and even
though they weren't "tame" in any sense, I did spend good amount
of time talking to them from the safety of the pickup truck we
used to haul the meat in.

There was one Bengal Tiger in particular (Sundari) who used to
actually pay attention. He was either intently listening, or wondering
what I would taste like..but I prefer the first choice. My sister had
raised him, so he always got an extra treat and a head scratch (through
the enclosure), and never once got nasty with me.

I don't fear big cats, but I sure as hell respect them, and the damage
they can put on a human, real fast.

Crap..I could write all night about cat encounters, especially bobcat,
but I don't want to bore you all with old stories.

Something all should consider: When you are bending down panning
in the water, you look like PREY. Looks to the cat like you've got 4 legs,
and are standing there just waiting to become a couple days of chow.

Either have someone standing up and watching your backside, or
check your six, frequently. Don't get so engrossed in your panning
that you lose touch with what's going on around you.

Marshall:
Truth is people are to stupid to know what to actually prepare for.. Or even
be afraid of... But most these people have guns to keep them safe? lucky for them ....Unlucky
for all others god creatures! To bad Common Sense ain't contagious..

Not everyone out there has your level of experience, and the gun is to
protect them and their families if, God forbid, a cat or bear does attack.
Nobody WANTS to kill them, but even you should remember that humans
are not the top of the food chain when you're in the wilds.

And, with all due respect, people are not stupid. Uneducated in the ways
of wilderness living or wild critters, perhaps, but not stupid.

My #1 rule: Don't act like prey, you won't be prey.
 
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I'm not stupid or blood thirsty... I know what to be afraid of or cautious. Just because I carry a gun ...that doesn't make me helpless...or mean that I have some power complex. Different people do different things.
Three nights ago one jumped the fence two properties over... goat gone.... next night in was in my neighbors back yard. I have chickens and a big wooded yard. A 12...9 year old and 19 month old.... my oldest walk to the bus stop(used to) in the morning right near sun up.
I guess I should just let them go and not worry about it... and shame on me for even talking about it.

maybe when that one tried to jump me a few weeks back I should have just kept my head down until it was over...or at least until my last living memory was of me being dragged up the hill paralysed but still watching the ground drag by my face.

Naahhh I think I prefer to protect my self and family just in case...seems like the more logical and responsible decision.
 
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Looks like i found the mother load its not gold its LEAD !!!
 
Gentlemen?? Truthfully I find this all laughable.. Well that is until I get shot... Anyway I am just stating that there are more dangers that are more common that people pay no mind too..
Truth is the man with the gun will win this debate.. I just think (know) that to many people think of a gun as SAFETY and in truth is if you are using it 9 times out of 10 it's because they were neglectfull.. The safety part most often comes prior to the encounter!!! Now in the very very very rare case you are attacked!!! The same day you could have either won the lotto or been eatin by a mountain lion!!!! Me I dont make plans for my lottery winning nor do I plan to be mauled by a bear!! The point here is safety and it is not safe nor a good Idea for people to need or rely on a gun for safety.. You tell me you need a gun to protect yourself from wildlife? Ya I think its a little absurd!!! You tell me you need it to protect yourself against PEOPLE makes perfect sense!! Those guys have guns!!!! Anyway like I said easy to find a reason to carry or use a gun. To each their own... It just seems to me that people tend to forget why we have gun rights? Wasn't it to protect us from from TYRANNY OPPRESSION you know from stopping the government from walking over the little people?? You know like all the stuff we complain about everyday? No doubt just regurgitated rhetoric that seems to be all to common thought but not practiced... No doubt because that has very real consequences! Having a gun to protect yourself from very rare events!! NOW THat is an easy way to JUSTIFY having a gun.. Anyway I personally do not have any issue with guns just what people use them for.. It is a tool and when used properly it can do good things.. But I just haven't seen one used properly in a very long time..

Getting back to the thread..... Me I will protect myself with common sense when out in the wildlife. I also find that bear spray works well. Me I hate seein people armed out hiking and camping.. Who likes encountering people with guns exspeacially if you have children with you! Respect is a two way street??? How can one not be nervous or uneasy when one encounters a armed man in place that has no need? Safety does not start nor end with a gun! In fact it is totally unrelated!!!!
 
We can leave it as a difference if opinion..

I have faith in humanity, humans can be reasoned with animals no. I'd wager that more hikers have been attacked or killed by animals than by other hikers with guns.

I don't expect to see small children where I feel I need to carry let alone another human. When you bring your children into a wilderness habitat where you run the risk of a run in with a bear, cat or whacko gun owner you hold the responsibility of making sure you are safe from thoughs threats, I wish it were the other way around that would be nice but it's not.
 
I feel bad for your generation that has grown up with a fear and negative education towards firearms. Used to be nothing to see a gun in the back window of a truck, or go over to someones house and see a rack on the wall or glass fronted display case. Living in rural areas never thought twice about seeing a pistol in a holster or someone carrying a long gun. Why should I be afraid of a child seeing a firearm? I shot on a rifle team from Jr. high thru Highschool we kept our rifles in our lockers. We also had an outdoor class that we were allowed to bring a firearm on the trips with us, was treated no different then a knife or backpack. On the weekends you'd find everyone at the local hangouts, bonfires and parties, there were also guns as no one took special precautions to remove them from their trucks. When the inevitable bouts of fist cuffs would happen the guns never came out. Didn't matter if you were getting your hind end handed to you or not, it wasn't even a thought to enter the mind. I'm just shy of 50 so we aren't talking all that long ago, what's happened to us that we are so scared of everything?
As you correctly stated a gun is a tool nothing more. So is the Jack and lug nut wrench I bring along as well. I don't bring them because I think I will need them or want to use them. I bring them because I may have a situation in which they are the only tool that will work. Actually I belong to AAA so I guess I could be a pacifist and rely on them to take care of my problems (yep lots of metaphor in there). Sometimes I bring one, sometimes I don't, like mining I let the conditions dictate the course of action. I have been out "armed" many a time and seen all sorts of critters, haven't shot one in self defense yet. Haven't needed to, but I was a boyscout and like to be prepared. That tool can also save your life in other ways as well, its not just for killing. Please don't fall into the judement trap. What makes sense and is the norm for you may be just as opposing and foreign to another.
 
Amen! My dad built a rifle in his high school shop class, I can remember walking out to duck hunt carrying a shotgun through town and no one ever said anything to me about it, heck the sheriffs would wave or stop and ask how my day went, never any trouble.
 
A gun is a tool, an inanimate object. It holds no bias or grudges. Like a hammer , it shouldn't be feared. It only makes sense that a person should use the best tools at his disposal. A lion certainly does. Claws, teeth , uncanny strength and stealth. When we share an environment with a skilled predator , it only makes sense to be prepared.
 
I'm just shy of 40 and I don't like the changes I've seen. My son is 12 damn good shot too. He has taken his safety course and hopefully this fall he will help me put some meat in the freezer. I will spot for him , will I let him off alone in this area because a gun makes him safe and protected? No, because its the person who is safe and he is not experienced enough in the woods to go out alone yet....funny the gun has nothing to do with it. so, you are correct Victor it is the people you have to worry about. And to my earlier point just because some one carries a firearm doesn't mean they are instantly someone to fear or chaste. When that lion tried to sneak up on me a few weeks ago I didn't freak out and fill the woods in its direction with lead....I did pop off a few rounds into the ground...mainly to that cats benefit....cause if it doesn't learn to fear man and steer clear its lifespan will be seriously diminished. I have spent serious time in the back country armed and unarmed. I have camped in areas with multiple bear per square mile....I've fished the Kenai Peninsula and been VERY VERY close to coastal brown bears never once pulling my sidearm for protection. I have no desire to shoot an animal I don't intend to eat. Yet, I would not hesitate and doubt I would ever really lose sleep if I had to use that tool for its hardest and designed task. I don't consider myself or anyone else who feels that way as a problem ...or ignorant, or confused, or scared. Its kinda hard to label someone just because of a piece of metal they may have strapped to their hip. I'm glad that if we were out camping or driving through the woods and my kids saw someone with a gun they wouldn't even mention it. You could take all the guns away from everybody..and a man who was intent on causing harm would just fashion himself a really awesome spear..or rock...or knife....
 
I'm pretty sure there are still several counties in several states that still have fall schedules that allow days off for deer season...I think that's pretty cool.
 
Gentlemen?? Truthfully I find this all laughable.. Well that is until I get shot... Anyway I am just stating that there are more dangers that are more common that people pay no mind too..

Until you get shot? Marshall, are you under the impression that someones firearm
will just just jump out of the holster all by itself and shoot you?


<snip> To each their own...

Really?

Anyway I personally do not have any issue with guns just what people use them for.. It is a tool and when used properly it can do good things.. But I just haven't seen one used properly in a very long time..

Sorry Marshall, but from your own words it does sound as if you have
a serious issue with guns.

Yes, a firearm is a tool, and that tool can be used to save a life, or take one.


Getting back to the thread..... Me I will protect myself with common sense when out in the wildlife. I also find that bear spray works well. Me I hate seein people armed out hiking and camping.. Who likes encountering people with guns especially if you have children with you! Respect is a two way street??? How can one not be nervous or uneasy when one encounters a armed man in place that has no need? Safety does not start nor end with a gun! In fact it is totally unrelated!!!!

So now the gun is going to jump out of its holster and shoot a child?

Serious question: In the unlikely event I see you getting mauled to death by
a large black bear or cougar, should I use my gun to shoot it, or should I just
walk away knowing you've got everything well in hand?

Marshall...if you were going to head into the back country of Alaska to
do some prospecting, would you carry a firearm with you?


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On a more humorous note: When I finished writing that long winded
post, above, I stepped out of my shop room into the garage, and
found myself 5' away from a huge possum. It was after a bag of cat
food, and was standing on top of it with that stupid grin on it's face.
I suggested it leave before I whack it with an ax handle, and it immediately
waddled it's grey ass right back out the door..:laughing7:

If it comes back tonight I'll try and grab some pics. It was one ugly, huge
Possum Mama, for sure!
 
I saw a big one a few weeks ago. Interesting is that our area isn't listed as their range.
 
DD , that's a symbolic punctuation point on your post LOL
 
We can hunt them here. And if you venture a few miles inland it is nothing but forest, so they have plenty of room to roam. We have had a few get close they only do it once. You hunt them they stay away from people, they seem to know.
getting a picture of a big cat around here is rare. You guys in cali...seems they just walk right up close!
Not only do they seem to show little fear. Take a look at your kids when they're out playing, thinking of prey. Put yourself in the cats paws. The way kids move & start stop running etc, they just look like something good to eat. At least rabbits hunker down in fear - survival.
 
I saw a big one a few weeks ago. Interesting is that our area isn't listed as their range.
Forget what's listed. Worked nights for several years in Newport Beach, Huntington beach, and Costs Mesa Calif. Saw tons of possums skunks barn & other owls one bobcat, and of course coyotes, several nights a week. I'd tell people what I saw & they'd look at me like I was stoned along with the "No way man...." A lot of the folks in cities would freak if they just sat on their front porch after 2 am till about 4. Oh, there were deer in most all of the cemeteries that'd tear up the wreaths big time. The one guy I talked to said the deer loved the orchids in the wreaths. Go figure!
 
Forget what's listed. Worked nights for several years in Newport Beach, Huntington beach, and Costs Mesa Calif. Saw tons of possums skunks barn & other owls one bobcat, and of course coyotes, several nights a week. I'd tell people what I saw & they'd look at me like I was stoned along with the "No way man...." A lot of the folks in cities would freak if they just sat on their front porch after 2 am till about 4. Oh, there were deer in most all of the cemeteries that'd tear up the wreaths big time. The one guy I talked to said the deer loved the orchids in the wreaths. Go figure!
Not what I meant but, true point. All those animals are common in southern Cali. Opposum aren't supposed to be at this elevation. I watched a show about expansion into areas that used to be considered too cold for them. To me it shows that just because it hasn't been seen by some biologist and cataloged, doesn't mean it isn't there.
 
I believe that being as proactive as possible is the best defense. Make noise while hiking through trails, check your 6 often. I carry a 3" knife in my pocket and a shovel in my hand.

I figure that the odds of even seeing a large cat or bear are not likely. If I were to see one the odds of it attacking me are not that likely. And if I were to be attacked then I would still have a chance (a small one) to fend off the attack.

But that's just my stand point. Obviously different people feel differently about the issue and have different comfort levels. But with the what looks to be exponential growth of large predators in NorCal, my comfort level might change if I begin to hear of increased attacks...I guess only time will tell.
 

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