Celt or Adze?

[catherine1]

I found this over the weekend. And was reading a recent post about the subject. I have found quite a collection of them at my site. And I gave the Grim Reaper one a few weeks ago. Its 3 inches and worked all the way around on both sides. However this is the first one I found with a clog shoe profile. Thanks in advance.

 

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[catherine1]

I actually took some pics of the bits. But was not able to fit them into the post. The rocks with the flat bottom seem to be adze. And the ones worked on both sides tools or celts. I would like to see some larger flint celts. Or these could be small flint hoes. They are all woodland from my forensic find scenario. If anyone has found anything similar please post them. Thanks.

 

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[NC field hunter]

Why wouldn't one think the tool in question to be a reworked or unfinished piece? Better yet, an unfinished rework?

 

[GatorBoy]

I actually took some pics of the bits. But was not able to fit them into the post. The rocks with the flat bottom seem to be adze. And the ones worked on both sides tools or celts. I would like to see some larger flint celts. Or these could be small flint hoes. They are all woodland from my forensic find scenario. If anyone has found anything similar please post them. Thanks.

You have some really nice finds there. I hope I helped some.

 

[GatorBoy]

It seems the two of us disagree alot.
. I'm glad we do it in a healthy way.
I believe you have an adze. It's thin because it wasn't used like a celt.. but like a wood chisel.
A celt would be bevelled from both sides making a straight bit. An adze is flat on one side and beveled on the other.. just like a modern wood chisel. Hafted flat side down.

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[Get-the-point]

After seeing the new photos the last one really shows that impact scar. Looking at these they are precisely bladed. With the hump they would make great tanning knives. I still going with Celts and a knife.

 

[Get-the-point]

Adzes are almost always showing a concave blade and some extend that concavity into the body. Depending on how far it goes would be the difference between adze and gouge. That is the most distinguishing feature of a adze. Yet once again none of these blades shows that.

 

[Get-the-point]

Catherine that last Celt in the second set of photos is nice. I've never seen one made out of Sonora before.

 

[rock]

GTP here is one I have always wondered on.

 

[Get-the-point]

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[Get-the-point]

Th3rty7's square knives from kentucky and surrounding areas.

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[Get-the-point]

On the one I posted? It was found in Tn

Rock it looks like you have a spade there. I'm pretty sure its not a Celt.

 

[rock]

Rock it looks like you have a spade there. I'm pretty sure its not a Celt.

OK thanks

 

[catherine1]

Thanks for the insight. I found two made of that nicer flint but I gave one to GR and the one pictured went in a display to one of my children. I have some more. I will try to post them later. Thanks for the replies!! Gator/GTP.

 

[GatorBoy]

Your welcome..I didn't realize it was going to hurt feelings...but that's life. Like I said before super finds whatever you decide to call any of them!

 

[quito]

I was always under the impression that celts were pecked and polished to a degree, and adze's were flaked into their shape. I think this piece by J.B. explains/shows the difference pretty simply, and I have learned something. The difference between Celts and Adzes

Joel

 

[GatorBoy]

A concave blade would be a gouge.

 

[Get-the-point]

Really no it would not be! A adze has a concave blade as in the write up and pictures you quote. Now the lesson...the difference between Gouge and Adze is the length of the channel. They both have concave blades and they both have the channel yet one usually only extends that channel down the length of the whole tool and that is the gouge.....

 

[GatorBoy]

That's not at all what was said. An adze is beveled from one side only... the effect of this is that the bit will retain some natural curvature of the stone since the top is rounded.
A celt... on the other hand is beveled from both sides centering the bit and thus removing this curve and making a straight edge.

 

[Get-the-point]

Well thank you for answering about these artifacts posted. What was wrong with that? All blades shown are not beveled to one side as you said creating the concave. They are bladed and the difference I've been pointing out since go...

 

[Get-the-point]

Sorry Joel, that was not meant for you. I scrolled up and saw yet another arrogant comment and replied in the post that I replied to you........... I have added to my statement by applying a difference from Celt to adze and from adze to gouge.....Gator was right about one thing and that is the concave does come from beveling one side of the blade to form the crescent moon blade at the bit end....