Civil War badge?

[johnnyblaze]

Found at a colonial house.Very little patina.It has a redish color like nickle under what looks like enamel.
Anchor with hope is the Rhode Island flag..I found it in RI.
Has a man wearing a frock coat on the other side..
Looks Civil War era..Maybe a shoulder medal?
John

 

[johnnyblaze]

Gorham is a Rhode Island company and still in business today. I've emailed them for further assistance. Here is there phone number- 1-800-446-7426

Hey thanks i find quite a bit of silverware made by them...
John

 

[Iron Patch]

Gorham is a Rhode Island company and still in business today. I've emailed them for further assistance. Here is there phone number- 1-800-446-7426

Hey thanks i find quite a bit of silverware made by them...
John

Yes... and it's no doubt in your favor no one has been able to find a match for your find.

 

[Kenosha Kid]

Still looks like a watch fob, but there is some "hope" for a medal. (well not really ) I believe I seen watch fobs by that company

Gorham Co. did make a watch fob:

http://www.rubylane.com/item/386886-030210-1630/1913-Golf-Championship-Medal-Watch

...in addition to similar pieces (pendants):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...y+the+Gorham+Company&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[johnnyblaze]

I know i have been looking around and found things similar but no exact match..
Strange.....
John

 

[CRUSADER]

Still looks like a watch fob, but there is some "hope" for a medal. (well not really ) I believe I seen watch fobs by that company, at least I was getting watch related hits.... but now there's no question you will be able to get an ID. (well match it, seems pretty obvious what it is now)

http://www.stacks.com/Lot/ItemDetail/146438

I think this will be the same date 1913.

 

[johnnyblaze]

I found this right next to where the medal was..
Also looks like gorham on the back...Then is has ORE after that..
John

 

[Iron Patch]

I found this right next to where the medal was..
Also looks like gorham on the back...Then is has ORE after that..
John

I would guess it might have been attached to the watch something like this, so very cool you have that part too! I don't know anything about watch fobs so wonder if there was such a thing as buying a set to go with a watch. (and not just the fob)

 

[johnnyblaze]

I found this right next to where the medal was..
Also looks like gorham on the back...Then is has ORE after that..
John

I would guess it might have been attached to the watch something like this, so very cool you have that part too!

The only thing that throws me off is different material..Look at the patina..
John

 

[Iron Patch]

I found this right next to where the medal was..
Also looks like gorham on the back...Then is has ORE after that..
John

I would guess it might have been attached to the watch something like this, so very cool you have that part too!

The only thing that throws me off is different material..Look at the patina..
John

I'm only suggesting it might have been the piece the watch (or maybe fob) hung from, and not the exact same.

 

[johnnyblaze]

I would say they where probably lost by the same person..
John

 

[Bramblefind]

Maybe it did have a ribbon between the pieces sort of like this design and it was not really a fob but a medal

 

[Iron Patch]

Maybe it did have a ribbon between the pieces sort of like this design and it was not really a fob but a medal

I would guess that's right, but still a fob, not a medal. That said, a medal with little to no specific meaning is not much different than a fob so it probably comes down to how it was used.

 

[johnnyblaze]

Maybe it did have a ribbon between the pieces sort of like this design and it was not really a fob but a medal

That looks like a good match...

 

[Iron Patch]

I'll bet this is it and probably sold that way.

Watch fob on a cloth hanger.

 

[Kenosha Kid]

This may help you narrow it down a bit as to the period it's for. It's a "medallic history of Rhode Island" published in 1895. If you scroll to the last page, it reads "there have also been medals made by the Gorham Manufacturing Co., of Providence, but apparently none of them relateing to Rhode Island".

http://books.google.com/books?id=mO...page&q=rhode island medal with anchor&f=false

OK, it's a very detailed list and that was up until 1895.

http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v11n01a10.html

In part ~ "Among Gorham's first medals were for two New York City theaters (1876), they did medals for five American Expositions (from 1895 Cotton States to 1909 Alaska-Yukon-Pacific), a large number of anniversary medals. But were extremely active in producing municipal war service medals for returning WWI servicemen, as was Tiffany. ... Gorham employed their own factory artists who created models, Florent Antoine Haller (late 1880s) and Edwin E. Codeman two decades later. Most medal work was by outside artists for the most part".

I did run across two items that were similar:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/arng-ri.htm (possible yours is an early version of the middle one?)

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-rhode-island-spanish-american-war-corps-badge (identical shape, but without "Hope")

 

[johnnyblaze]

Yep it seems like i get so close like you did and then it dead ends..
No exact match
I found these within a couple feet do you think they go together.
John

 

[Iron Patch]

The interest and value of your find might have just doubled or tripled. Talk about timing!

"Sunday is the 200th anniversary of the wreck."

http://www.nola.com/military/index.ssf/2011/01/1811_wreck_of_commodore_oliver.html

 

[johnnyblaze]

My guess is that man might be Oliver Hazard Perry - he was born in Rhode Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry

Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry (August 23, 1785 – August 23, 1819) was born in South Kingstown, Rhode Island, the son of Captain Christopher Raymond Perry and Sarah Wallace Alexander, and a direct descendant of William Wallace.[1] He was an older brother to Commodore Matthew Calbraith Perry who compelled the opening of Japan to the West by threat of force. As a boy, he lived in South Carolina, sailing ships practicing for his future career as an officer in the US Navy. He served in the War of 1812 against Britain, and at the age of 27 earned the title "Hero of Lake Erie" for leading American forces in a decisive naval victory at the Battle of Lake Erie.[1]

Im gonna have to say it is Oliver perry on the medal.
He died in 1819.
Gorham,the maker of the medal did not open for business until 1833..
Would they make a commemorative medal 14 years after his death..And that many years after his 1812 victories..
I just thought i would see if there are any fresh thoughts out there..I cant find a match...


Blaze

 

[Iron Patch]

My guess is that man might be Oliver Hazard Perry - he was born in Rhode Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry

Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry (August 23, 1785 – August 23, 1819) was born in South Kingstown, Rhode Island, the son of Captain Christopher Raymond Perry and Sarah Wallace Alexander, and a direct descendant of William Wallace.[1] He was an older brother to Commodore Matthew Calbraith Perry who compelled the opening of Japan to the West by threat of force. As a boy, he lived in South Carolina, sailing ships practicing for his future career as an officer in the US Navy. He served in the War of 1812 against Britain, and at the age of 27 earned the title "Hero of Lake Erie" for leading American forces in a decisive naval victory at the Battle of Lake Erie.[1]

Im gonna have to say it is Oliver perry on the medal.
He died in 1819.
Gorham,the maker of the medal did not open for business until 1833..
Would they make a commemorative medal 14 years after his death..And that many years after his 1812 victories..
I just thought i would see if there are any fresh thoughts out there..I cant find a match...


Blaze

It probably commentates the Battle of Lake Erie. (1813-1913)

 

[CrazySlasher]

http://www.hopeclub.com/

"The Hope Club is proud of its heritage and reputation as the private, social club in Providence, Rhode Island where business and professional men and women, civic, community and social leaders have gathered for generations."

"Club History

Saturday, February 27, 1875 was a momentous day in Providence, Rhode Island. On that evening, a group of fifteen gentlemen met at the South Main Street office of Edward D. Pearce, Jr., and signed a compact establishing themselves as a Club to be later christened, on May 18 of that year, the Hope Club. According to the compact, the initiation fee was to be twenty-five dollars and the annual dues the same amount.

Founding members included William Blodget, Edward Carrington, Thomas Dunnell, Robert Ives Gammell (first Vice-President of the Club), Colonel Charles Warren Lippitt, Clinton Mauran, William G. Nightingale, Arthur D. Payne (first Secretary of the Club), George M. Smith, Robert Grosvenor (first President of the Club), William Grosvenor, Jr., Howard O. Sturges (first Treasurer of the Club), Matthew Watson, and John Carter Brown Woods. Of the above gentlemen, Messrs. Pearce, Woods, Dunnell, Nightingale and Watson were members of the original governing body of the Club known as the Board of Direction.

There was a sixteenth member of the original group who signed the compact on February 27, 1875. Henry P. Bush served briefly as the Chairman of the Committee on Constitution, but he was ‘not elected” at a meeting held on June 14, 1875, having “failed to qualify” for presumably not having paid his initiation fee. During his brief initial membership, he distinguished himself by proposing a resolution prohibiting the sale of liquor at the Clubhouse. His motion was permanently tabled. Whether this contributed to his “non-election” is unknown.

The adoption of a Constitution took place only after a long and heated debate over proposed amendments and amendments to the amendments of almost every section of the draft originally submitted.

On February 8, 1876, the State of Rhode Island granted the Club a charter “for the purposes of social and literary culture” which marked the birth of the Club in its present form."