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Has anyone every tried or evaluated a Cleangold product to extract fine, micro size particulate gold from fine materials. View the products and papers at http://www.cleangold.com . Your ideas
A friend in Oregon used to mine ocean beach gold with a cleangold setup and did at least as well as others who used a Goldcube. Google Cape Disappointment gold mining.

Good luck
 
Has anyone every tried or evaluated a Cleangold product to extract fine, micro size particulate gold from fine materials. View the products and papers at http://www.cleangold.com . Your ideas
Ok for very fines you would find likely in parts of NY.
Getting down to bedrock you should be able to use a conventional sluice box with fine-tuned matting for your area.
 
Yea, I've used one in the past, it's basically a sluice with some strip magnets glued underneath to create riffles. It works, BUT... we were talking about it and other home made styles with the magnetic riffles that we had been using for decades, and the owner threatened to sue the web page owner for copyright infringement. So we deleted every single post, all the advertisements, and any picture of it that had ever been posted and never looked back.
Maybe their attitude has changed? That was 20+ years ago now... We don't talk about their sluice... Not Ever!
 
Yea, I've used one in the past, it's basically a sluice with some strip magnets glued underneath to create riffles. It works, BUT... we were talking about it and other home made styles with the magnetic riffles that we had been using for decades, and the owner threatened to sue the web page owner for copyright infringement. So we deleted every single post, all the advertisements, and any picture of it that had ever been posted and never looked back.
Maybe their attitude has changed? That was 20+ years ago now... We don't talk about their sluice... Not Ever!
Did not know about this.
Thanks for posting.
 
Yea, I've used one in the past, it's basically a sluice with some strip magnets glued underneath to create riffles. It works, BUT... we were talking about it and other home made styles with the magnetic riffles that we had been using for decades, and the owner threatened to sue the web page owner for copyright infringement. So we deleted every single post, all the advertisements, and any picture of it that had ever been posted and never looked back.
Maybe their attitude has changed? That was 20+ years ago now... We don't talk about their sluice... Not Ever!
I'm disappointed to read this. I met the designer of this product many years ago, and found him to be a sincere hardworking man. At the time he was living in a small house in Lincoln City and struggling to make ends meet. I can understand why he would be upset if someone was trying to undercut his means of making a living by offering workaround solutions. I purchased, and have used several of his products and found them to work well for their intended use. His sluices are designed to recover very fine gold that is often lost, not larger flakes and pickers.
 
Welcome to the site Big Sick.. :hello:
 
My 4 inch dredge used a similar / BUT different approach ! at the feedend ,just after my flair , I installed several 3/4 pvc tubes that had it full of Rare Earth Magnets that had fitted them to fit snuggly into and above my slurry to trap all the magnetics (and hopefully some gold) periodicaly I would remove the upper tube first and replace it while running with a clean tube full of the R.E.M. and then do all the other tubes . This would cut down on my Black sand cons that ended up in my hydrolic sump that caught the heavies and purged out my light blond sand. I was happy with this setup, but after some years ,I GOT OLD and had to stop this traveling around the Country and sold it all to a guy from the Chicago Il. area. AND I HATED DOING SO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
There's enough information out there to finagle one of these. I plan on adding one to my sluice and if it seems worthwhile I'll make one for whatever dredge I end up with.
But as with most other things, I'm sure preparation is 90% and execution 10%. Making sure you're on gold and can process the maximum amount with the least work ends up being more important than how you do it.
 
There's enough information out there to finagle one of these. I plan on adding one to my sluice and if it seems worthwhile I'll make one for whatever dredge I end up with.
But as with most other things, I'm sure preparation is 90% and execution 10%. Making sure you're on gold and can process the maximum amount with the least work ends up being more important than how you do it.
Your last sentence is on point.
 
I'm disappointed to read this. I met the designer of this product many years ago, and found him to be a sincere hardworking man. At the time he was living in a small house in Lincoln City and struggling to make ends meet. I can understand why he would be upset if someone was trying to undercut his means of making a living by offering workaround solutions. I purchased, and have used several of his products and found them to work well for their intended use. His sluices are designed to recover very fine gold that is often lost, not larger flakes and pickers.
Putting magnets in a sluice and using the magnetite as a gold-catching medium was not something Plath invented in the 1990s.

We've been using magnets in sluice boxes for decades. I was using ordinary permanent magnets, including cow magnets, in my sluices back in the 1980s. We had to. In some of the ground we worked there was so much black sand that you could load the riffles with magnetite in an hour.

And we were discussing this stuff among prospectors long before the CleanGold patent.

But here's what really puts the issue to bed:

Thomas Edison patented the magnetic-riffle sluice principle in 1882.
Edison filed U.S. Patent No. 263,131 in 1881. It was granted August 22, 1882.
His apparatus was an inclined mining sluice with magnets mounted UNDER THE FLOOR OF THE SLUICE.
The magnets held the naturally occurring magnetic material—magnetite/black sand—in place as the gravel and water traveled through the box.
And what did Edison say that accumulated magnetite did?

It forms riffles for stopping the gold...

That's not somebody today interpreting Edison's invention. That's Edison describing what his invention did in 1882. He specifically discusses its use in hydraulic gold mining and says that as magnetic material washes away, new magnetic material replaces it, continually maintaining the riffles.
He also specifically says permanent magnets can be used instead of electromagnets.

Even more importantly, Edison didn't just patent a particular magnet holder. One of his actual patent claims was the method of forming riffles in a mining sluice by magnetically arresting magnetic material flowing through the sluice.
Here's Edison's patent:




Now fast-forward 114 years.
David Plath's CleanGold patent claims priority from May 16, 1996, was filed in 1997 and issued in 1999 as U.S. Patent No. 5,927,508.

Here's Plath's patent:


Read the two patents.
Plath puts flexible magnetic sheeting along the bottom of a sluice. The sheet has closely spaced alternating magnetic poles. Magnetite collects above those poles and forms a porous, corduroy-like mat. Fine gold settles into and is retained by that magnetite.

So strip away the particular construction details and compare the operating principles:

EDISON — 1881/1882
Magnets beneath sluice.

Magnets hold magnetite/black sand.

Magnetite forms the riffles.

Those magnetite riffles retain fine gold.


PLATH — 1996/1999
Magnetic sheet beneath sluice surface.

Magnetic sheet holds magnetite/black sand.

Magnetite forms a riffled/porous mat.

That magnetite mat retains fine gold.

That's 114 years apart!!!

Plath's patent contains narrower details that Edison didn't have—particularly the flexible magnetic sheet with closely spaced alternating transverse poles. So technically Plath only patented a particular configuration and improvement. But the underlying magnetic-sluice principle was not his invention.

Magnets under a sluice creating magnetite riffles to retain gold were described and patented by Thomas Edison in 1882.

Here's another interesting fact: Edison's Patent 263,131 does not appear in the prior-art patent list printed with Plath's issued patent, even though Plath's patent cites numerous older patents. Make of that what you will.

And then there's the old 49erMike episode. Those of us who were actually there remember it all to well...

Mike Higbee and I are still great friends, and we were both involved with the old 49erMike prospecting forum. We'd been discussing magnets and sluices for years. I remember when Plath threatened legal action concerning discussion of magnets/CleanGold on the site. I was there.

Our response was simply to Not promote his sluice box anywhere ever again.
We quit talking about it. All of the CleanGold material was removed and discussion of it wasn't allowed on the site afterward. I'm not the only person who remembers the incident, either.

In 2013, russau, who was also part of that old prospecting crowd, independently posted this about 49erMike and CleanGold:
“the owner of that sluice threatened Mike with a lawsuit if he didnt stop and erase all of that thread”

Here's Russ's original 2013 post:


Russ, Mike and I along with many others on here go way back into the late 80's - to early 90's in various mining forums.

We were talking about magnets and using them before CleanGold existed. Other prospectors were doing it before CleanGold existed.

And most conclusively, Thomas Edison put the concept into a U.S. patent in 1881–1882—more than a century before Plath filed his patent.

There is even modern patent literature describing Edison's 1882 invention as an early practical magnetic separator for mining: magnets under the sluice held the ferrous material in place, producing riffles that captured gold.
So no, Dave Plath did not invent the basic concept of magnetic riffles in a gold sluice.

He patented a particular 1990s version of an idea that was already very, very old.
And whatever the scope of Plath's particular patent claims may have been before they expired, they certainly didn't rewrite 114 years of mining history. 👍👍
 

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Putting magnets in a sluice and using the magnetite as a gold-catching medium was not something Plath invented in the 1990s.

We've been using magnets in sluice boxes for decades. I was using ordinary permanent magnets, including cow magnets, in my sluices back in the 1980s. We had to. In some of the ground we worked there was so much black sand that you could load the riffles with magnetite in an hour.

And we were discussing this stuff among prospectors long before the CleanGold patent.

But here's what really puts the issue to bed:

Thomas Edison patented the magnetic-riffle sluice principle in 1882.
Edison filed U.S. Patent No. 263,131 in 1881. It was granted August 22, 1882.
His apparatus was an inclined mining sluice with magnets mounted UNDER THE FLOOR OF THE SLUICE.
The magnets held the naturally occurring magnetic material—magnetite/black sand—in place as the gravel and water traveled through the box.
And what did Edison say that accumulated magnetite did?

It forms riffles for stopping the gold...

That's not somebody today interpreting Edison's invention. That's Edison describing what his invention did in 1882. He specifically discusses its use in hydraulic gold mining and says that as magnetic material washes away, new magnetic material replaces it, continually maintaining the riffles.
He also specifically says permanent magnets can be used instead of electromagnets.

Even more importantly, Edison didn't just patent a particular magnet holder. One of his actual patent claims was the method of forming riffles in a mining sluice by magnetically arresting magnetic material flowing through the sluice.
Here's Edison's patent:




Now fast-forward 114 years.
David Plath's CleanGold patent claims priority from May 16, 1996, was filed in 1997 and issued in 1999 as U.S. Patent No. 5,927,508.

Here's Plath's patent:


Read the two patents.
Plath puts flexible magnetic sheeting along the bottom of a sluice. The sheet has closely spaced alternating magnetic poles. Magnetite collects above those poles and forms a porous, corduroy-like mat. Fine gold settles into and is retained by that magnetite.

So strip away the particular construction details and compare the operating principles:

EDISON — 1881/1882
Magnets beneath sluice.

Magnets hold magnetite/black sand.

Magnetite forms the riffles.

Those magnetite riffles retain fine gold.


PLATH — 1996/1999
Magnetic sheet beneath sluice surface.

Magnetic sheet holds magnetite/black sand.

Magnetite forms a riffled/porous mat.

That magnetite mat retains fine gold.

That's 114 years apart!!!

Plath's patent contains narrower details that Edison didn't have—particularly the flexible magnetic sheet with closely spaced alternating transverse poles. So technically Plath only patented a particular configuration and improvement. But the underlying magnetic-sluice principle was not his invention.

Magnets under a sluice creating magnetite riffles to retain gold were described and patented by Thomas Edison in 1882.

Here's another interesting fact: Edison's Patent 263,131 does not appear in the prior-art patent list printed with Plath's issued patent, even though Plath's patent cites numerous older patents. Make of that what you will.

And then there's the old 49erMike episode. Those of us who were actually there remember it all to well...

Mike Higbee and I are still great friends, and we were both involved with the old 49erMike prospecting forum. We'd been discussing magnets and sluices for years. I remember when Plath threatened legal action concerning discussion of magnets/CleanGold on the site. I was there.

Our response was simply to Not promote his sluice box anywhere ever again.
We quit talking about it. All of the CleanGold material was removed and discussion of it wasn't allowed on the site afterward. I'm not the only person who remembers the incident, either.

In 2013, russau, who was also part of that old prospecting crowd, independently posted this about 49erMike and CleanGold:
“the owner of that sluice threatened Mike with a lawsuit if he didnt stop and erase all of that thread”

Here's Russ's original 2013 post:


Russ, Mike and I along with many others on here go way back into the late 80's - to early 90's in various mining forums.

We were talking about magnets and using them before CleanGold existed. Other prospectors were doing it before CleanGold existed.

And most conclusively, Thomas Edison put the concept into a U.S. patent in 1881–1882—more than a century before Plath filed his patent.

There is even modern patent literature describing Edison's 1882 invention as an early practical magnetic separator for mining: magnets under the sluice held the ferrous material in place, producing riffles that captured gold.
So no, Dave Plath did not invent the basic concept of magnetic riffles in a gold sluice.

He patented a particular 1990s version of an idea that was already very, very old.
And whatever the scope of Plath's particular patent claims may have been before they expired, they certainly didn't rewrite 114 years of mining history. 👍👍
I have nothing against Reed Lukens, 49er Mike, or anyone else associated with this topic, however I think it is pretty narrow-minded for a "good ole boys" club to punish a man for protecting his patent. While the Cleansluice" didn't take off in the US, it appears that David Plath is currently in Australia, still attempting to improve our environment by introducing his sluice system to that country. He must have something going to get the press coverage he has .
 
Well I personally know Reed Lukens and (49er) Mike Higbeen ! Both of them are very upright guys that I bow to their knowledge and experience ! Calling them "good ole boys" I agree with and share this setiment ! These comments weren't any sort of punishment of ANY sort , it is and was the true facts toward what Mr. Plath stated and facts that show the he has streched the facts a bit in his favor ! the truth is right in front of you that has been posted ! It's just the way it is ! I think the members of this site will see whats going on and see through ANY attempts to discredit or being narrow minded individuals ! PLUS I'm pretty proud of being a member of this "Good ole boy's club to boot"! Have a nice dat sir !
 
The clean gold sluice is made of magnetic sign material like what flexible refrigerator magnets or magnetic bumper stickers are made of, the magnetic material is in little rows in the rubber mat and when black sand is applied it creates an effect that looks like corduroy. You can buy the magnetic sheets with adhesive backing off the internet or at craft stores, the orientation needs to be established before fitting in a sluice you can dust on some black sand and it’s clear. They also sell these cards online that you can observe magnetic polarization with, it’s a cheap fun little thing lol. They work on very fine gold only and need a very smooth flow.
 
Well I personally know Reed Lukens and (49er) Mike Higbeen ! Both of them are very upright guys that I bow to their knowledge and experience ! Calling them "good ole boys" I agree with and share this setiment ! These comments weren't any sort of punishment of ANY sort , it is and was the true facts toward what Mr. Plath stated and facts that show the he has streched the facts a bit in his favor ! the truth is right in front of you that has been posted ! It's just the way it is ! I think the members of this site will see whats going on and see through ANY attempts to discredit or being narrow minded individuals ! PLUS I'm pretty proud of being a member of this "Good ole boy's club to boot"! Have a nice dat sir !
Thanks for the reply. I am certainly not trying to drive wedges in this community and responded to a post that seemed too one-sided. I never got to see David Plath's post as the old TreasureNet removed it. As I stated, I drove to Lincoln City, Oregon to meet with him, knowing that I would have to purchase one of his products to take advantage of his offer of an on-site demonstration. I learned more about beach prospecting in that two-hour session than I have learned in all the years since. He spent an additional hour explaining the science behind the sluice and showing me his work in gold micro-photography. By-the-way, I'm a Pre-Boomer (81 years old) and consider myself an independent "good ole' boy" and have followed you, Mike, Reed, and many others, here and on other sites for many years.
 
Well good for you . I hope you have many more of them good years BUT then again you should have gotten the drift from reading all the posts from Mikes site and here ! After Daves threat to sue while it was on Mikes site and now on here ,I'm done with the discussion of this particular sluice and his law suits for us talking about it. You have a good day!
 

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