Colombia President- Gustavo Petro

[simon zacarias]

Right on...

Also I read there somewhere’ until the 1605 has been found’. It has been found but nobody went to dig it out. Or tried to get a licence to find it at least. 1 of 4 ships we find for sure.

I think we are wrong on this one.... It wasn't "Spain" that was responsible, (so to speak)...but the independent operators of given license by the Spanish government. We don't typically blame Britain, (or any other European government) for the slave trade, we point fingers at the "slavers". So it is true for Spanish colonialism. The Spanish government levied the "quinto real"... or one fifth the value of what was mined, (or looted)... again... not mined by the Spanish government. Gold and silver not coined had tax stamps on them. Several coming up for auction next month at Stacks/Bowers. I have to agree with Crow here, the treasure onboard the galleons were not Spanish government property. The guns, yes, the cargo, no.
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[Physics guy]

All I’m going to say is that it simply does not pay to find one of these wrecks. You will get nothing but problems, both politically and personally. You’re better off letting it rot where it’s found.

Why give the lawyers more money?

That’s the way it’s been looking for the last couple of decades. And it’s not just Spain, it’s France too. The La Trinite had the same outcome as the Mercedes, and for the same reason: “It’s a warship.” Same lawyer too. There may be a pattern here.

In the future, when sovereigns claiming sovereign immunity want everything they’re likely to get nothing when they could have gotten a share.

 

[unclemac]

I get it, but have you seen the pix! the ship is sitting, upright on the ocean floor, cargo intact, like a ripe plum ready to be picked! It is not like Atocha.

 

[simon zacarias]

By: Prof. Waldemar Espinosa Soriano – Charcas Memorial
Technical report: Anthropological Historical Experts of Qhara Qhara Yours Brothers Samuel & Nicolas.Samuel and Nicolas are the people I am working with. Tata Samuel Tikas is the leader of the Qhara Qhara. They actually have given préstamo, a credit line to the king of Spain, was to be delivered w the San Jose. That never arrived and we would like to get it back. The document about this can be provided if needed for research.
Regards

 

[Crow]

All I’m going to say is that it simply does not pay to find one of these wrecks. You will get nothing but problems, both politically and personally. You’re better off letting it rot where it’s found.

Why give the lawyers more money?

Sadly I agree with you.



I do not expect the Germans or Japanese today to apologize for terrible things the generations before them committed in ww2. Or even the Spanish and other colonial powers. Or for slavery. Many people forget West Africans and Arabs was just as complicit in slavery and so was some meso American tribes. And of course vikings and Romans and numerous others. Perhaps we should all pay each other restitution. Silly isn't it? So why do we have this constant virtue signaling of making amends for the past?

There are many disadvantage groups poor because they are lazy. They have zero drive and no ambition that finds it more easy to play the victim that do a days work by blaming race and ethnicity and dancing with blame game. Entitlement It more easy to sit on their asses stick their hand out and play the victim pointing their finger to everyone else but themselves.

Why should we feel that any race or people have to apologize for what there ancestors have done in the past. The biblical teaching on individual accountability for sin is primarily found in the books of Ezekiel and Deuteronomy. These passages explicitly state that children are not held accountable for their parents' sins, but rather each person is responsible for their own actions. So why is now several generations on We have apologize for anything our ancestors did or even pay restitution for those actions..

The San Jose shipwreck will dissolve into petty bickering between interest parties that in essence regardless how much virtue signalling they make. They are no different to those they decry. Truth be told they are all a orchestra of vultures out scab what ever they can get for free under the pretense of victim politics, conducted by the biggest scam artists of all lawyers.

Crow

 

[simon zacarias]

All I’m going to say is that it simply does not pay to find one of these wrecks. You will get nothing but problems, both politically and personally. You’re better off letting it rot where it’s found.

Why give the lawyers more money?

 

[TruthbeTold]

Sadly I agree with you.



I do not expect the Germans or Japanese today to apologize for terrible things the generations before them committed in ww2. Or even the Spanish and other colonial powers. Or for slavery. Many people forget West Africans and Arabs was just as complicit in slavery and so was some meso American tribes. And of course vikings and Romans and numerous others. Perhaps we should all pay each other restitution. Silly isn't it? So why do we have this constant virtue signaling of making amends for the past?

There are many disadvantage groups poor because they are lazy. They have zero drive and no ambition that finds it more easy to play the victim that do a days work by blaming race and ethnicity and dancing with blame game. Entitlement It more easy to sit on their asses stick their hand out and play the victim pointing their finger to everyone else but themselves.

Why should we feel that any race or people have to apologize for what there ancestors have done in the past. The biblical teaching on individual accountability for sin is primarily found in the books of Ezekiel and Deuteronomy. These passages explicitly state that children are not held accountable for their parents' sins, but rather each person is responsible for their own actions. So why is now several generations on We have apologize for anything our ancestors did or even pay restitution for those actions..

The San Jose shipwreck will dissolve into petty bickering between interest parties that in essence regardless how much virtue signalling they make. They are no different to those the decry. Truth be told they are all a orchestra of vultures out scab what ever they can get for free under the pretense of victim politics, conducted by the biggest scam artists of all lawyers.

Crow

Very well stated Crow!

I totally agree.

 

[BennyV]

Sadly I agree with you.



I do not expect the Germans or Japanese today to apologize for terrible things the generations before them committed in ww2. Or even the Spanish and other colonial powers. Or for slavery. Many people forget West Africans and Arabs was just as complicit in slavery and so was some meso American tribes. And of course vikings and Romans and numerous others. Perhaps we should all pay each other restitution. Silly isn't it? So why do we have this constant virtue signaling of making amends for the past?

There are many disadvantage groups poor because they are lazy. They have zero drive and no ambition that finds it more easy to play the victim that do a days work by blaming race and ethnicity and dancing with blame game. Entitlement It more easy to sit on their asses stick their hand out and play the victim pointing their finger to everyone else but themselves.

Why should we feel that any race or people have to apologize for what there ancestors have done in the past. The biblical teaching on individual accountability for sin is primarily found in the books of Ezekiel and Deuteronomy. These passages explicitly state that children are not held accountable for their parents' sins, but rather each person is responsible for their own actions. So why is now several generations on We have apologize for anything our ancestors did or even pay restitution for those actions..

The San Jose shipwreck will dissolve into petty bickering between interest parties that in essence regardless how much virtue signalling they make. They are no different to those the decry. Truth be told they are all a orchestra of vultures out scab what ever they can get for free under the pretense of victim politics, conducted by the biggest scam artists of all lawyers.

Crow

Well said. As usual.

 

[simon zacarias]

Sadly I agree with you.



I do not expect the Germans or Japanese today to apologize for terrible things the generations before them committed in ww2. Or even the Spanish and other colonial powers. Or for slavery. Many people forget West Africans and Arabs was just as complicit in slavery and so was some meso American tribes. And of course vikings and Romans and numerous others. Perhaps we should all pay each other restitution. Silly isn't it? So why do we have this constant virtue signaling of making amends for the past?

There are many disadvantage groups poor because they are lazy. They have zero drive and no ambition that finds it more easy to play the victim that do a days work by blaming race and ethnicity and dancing with blame game. Entitlement It more easy to sit on their asses stick their hand out and play the victim pointing their finger to everyone else but themselves.

Why should we feel that any race or people have to apologize for what there ancestors have done in the past. The biblical teaching on individual accountability for sin is primarily found in the books of Ezekiel and Deuteronomy. These passages explicitly state that children are not held accountable for their parents' sins, but rather each person is responsible for their own actions. So why is now several generations on We have apologize for anything our ancestors did or even pay restitution for those actions..

The San Jose shipwreck will dissolve into petty bickering between interest parties that in essence regardless how much virtue signalling they make. They are no different to those the decry. Truth be told they are all a orchestra of vultures out scab what ever they can get for free under the pretense of victim politics, conducted by the biggest scam artists of all lawyers.

Crow

True indeed again. Therefore it’s it’s imperative to set the standards . I don’t need a lawyer to spell it out. There is a ton of gold and it goes back where it comes from. I am certain those people who get it back will happily pay the salvage or we can keep going with more court cases.

Sadly I agree with you.



I do not expect the Germans or Japanese today to apologize for terrible things the generations before them committed in ww2. Or even the Spanish and other colonial powers. Or for slavery. Many people forget West Africans and Arabs was just as complicit in slavery and so was some meso American tribes. And of course vikings and Romans and numerous others. Perhaps we should all pay each other restitution. Silly isn't it? So why do we have this constant virtue signaling of making amends for the past?

There are many disadvantage groups poor because they are lazy. They have zero drive and no ambition that finds it more easy to play the victim that do a days work by blaming race and ethnicity and dancing with blame game. Entitlement It more easy to sit on their asses stick their hand out and play the victim pointing their finger to everyone else but themselves.

Why should we feel that any race or people have to apologize for what there ancestors have done in the past. The biblical teaching on individual accountability for sin is primarily found in the books of Ezekiel and Deuteronomy. These passages explicitly state that children are not held accountable for their parents' sins, but rather each person is responsible for their own actions. So why is now several generations on We have apologize for anything our ancestors did or even pay restitution for those actions..

The San Jose shipwreck will dissolve into petty bickering between interest parties that in essence regardless how much virtue signalling they make. They are no different to those the decry. Truth be told they are all a orchestra of vultures out scab what ever they can get for free under the pretense of victim politics, conducted by the biggest scam artists of all lawyers.

Crow

 

[BennyV]

True indeed again. Therefore it’s it’s imperative to set the standards . I don’t need a lawyer to spell it out. There is a ton of gold and it goes back where it comes from. I am certain those people who get it back will happily pay the salvage or we can keep going with more court cases.

Hate to break it to you. They won’t get squat.

 

[Red_desert]

Hate to break it to you. They won’t get squat.

Right now at gold prices the tons of gold should be worth fighting over.

 

[simon zacarias]

True indeed again. Therefore it’s it’s imperative to set the standards . I don’t need a lawyer to spell it out. There is a ton of gold and it goes back where it comes from. I am certain those people who get it back will happily pay the salvage or we can keep going with more court cases.

Signed by Maximo Pacheco, the chief at The National library in Sucre. Not sure if this has been posted before.

 

[BennyV]

Signed by Maximo Pacheco, the chief at The National library in Sucre. Not sure if this has been posted before.

I don’t speak or read Spanish.

The tribes will not get anything. Regardless of what the puppets say or write.

 

[simon zacarias]

I don’t speak or read Spanish.

The tribes will not get anything. Regardless of what the puppets say or write.

 

[simon zacarias]

I don’t speak or read Spanish.

The tribes will not get anything. Regardless of what the puppets say or write.

I am sure you will not rule on this. There anthropologists and historians working hard to translate old papers to give the people in this forum a knowledge base to rely on while researching history. If you are interested to know what it means in spanish, sure somebody can translate it for you. Or you can learn spanish. It’s helpful for treasure hunters.

 

[BennyV]

I am sure you will not rule on this. There anthropologists and historians working hard to translate old papers to give the people in this forum a knowledge base to rely on while researching history. If you are interested to know what it means in spanish, sure somebody can translate it for you. Or you can learn spanish. It’s helpful for treasure hunters.

That’s very nice of them.

I’m still trying to figure out why you think the Colombian government are going to give the tribes any of this treasure.

 

[simon zacarias]

That’s very nice of them.

I’m still trying to figure out why you think the Colombian government are going to give the tribes any of this treasure.

I don’t think that, rather provide support to this since I believe in it and have plenty fun doing it. Because a cooperation was agreed in writing.
Surly in weeks and months to come changes takes place as also agreed. Those are not tribes. Those are indigenous. And so is all of Colombia too.

 

[simon zacarias]

Our team in Potosi, casa de Moneda. The books from 1705/1706/1707 productions shipped to Panama than San Jose.