Colonial counterfeit & more

[sscindercoop]

I believe the 1777 KG 3 is made of bronze and came from the ground still shiny in some spots. The little cuff has a fox on it and I believe it says Tallo?

 

[Diggin Dude]

Are you saying that the 1777 coin is counterfeit ?

 

[Iron Patch]

Good ole copper but very unlikely it's 1777.


Tallio

 

[njrelicgairl]

HI
Nice finds!

 

[Silver Searcher]

The cuff-button says Tallio, which means Tally-Ho which derived from British Fox Hunting, I believe the spelling or words just got lost (mixed up) along the years. Always a nice find cuff-buttons

SS

 

[sscindercoop]

Good ole copper but very unlikely it's 1777.


Tallio

Coin is Definitely bronze, Date looks like 1777 to me but I guess it could be a 73

 

[sscindercoop]

Good ole copper but very unlikely it's 1777.


Tallio

yup Tallio

 

[sscindercoop]

The cuff-button says Tallio, which means Tally-Ho which derived from British Fox Hunting, I believe the spelling or words just got lost (mixed up) along the years. Always a nice find cuff-buttons

SS

Thanks for the info SS!!!

 

[hogge]

Looks like 1771 to me.

 

[sscindercoop]

Looks like 1771 to me.

I will try and get a better pic tomorrow but it doesn't look anything like the first 1 when im looking at it in my hand

 

[cambria09]

Nice finds sscindercoop. Even your scrap pile looks good. HH C9

 

[Iron Patch]

73072CVS

1773 GEO-III 8.4. AEF NEAT SWAPING OF T & I. DIE CRK REV K3 AND CHIPS. EX B/M AUCTION 3/2003 LOT 176 W/TICKET, EARLIER PART OF GARRETT PART IV LOT 2241. RARE DATE FOR BRANCH OF GT FAMILY-PUFFY HEAD. $265.00

British George-III

 

[sscindercoop]

73072CVS

1773 GEO-III 8.4. AEF NEAT SWAPING OF T & I. DIE CRK REV K3 AND CHIPS. EX B/M AUCTION 3/2003 LOT 176 W/TICKET, EARLIER PART OF GARRETT PART IV LOT 2241. RARE DATE FOR BRANCH OF GT FAMILY-PUFFY HEAD. $265.00

British George-III

WoW Amazing id IP!!!!! Thanks, found at the same site I got the mule coin. I wish it showed the composition of the coin

 

[Iron Patch]

WoW Amazing id IP!!!!! Thanks, found at the same site I got the mule coin. I wish it showed the composition of the coin

I seen it many times before so I knew it was common and figured it would be on that site, ....and I'd be able to pick it out clicking through them quickly. In hind sight it would have been much easier matching up the reverse with that square letter N, but doesn't matter now.

 

[Dug]

Awsome link IP!

I'm still researching my 1771 and learning in the process. I'm told an indicator on whether it is a contemporary counterfeit is the weight of the coin. I'm still trying to determine what the difference is between the term Regal and Non Regal terminology.

 

[bulrush]

The cuff-button says Tallio, which means Tally-Ho which derived from British Fox Hunting, I believe the spelling or words just got lost (mixed up) along the years.

Along those lines, while doing genealogy, I learned someone went to jail in the early 1800s for "buggering a mare". Yep, he was screwing a horse. "Buggering" comes from the French "bougere" which means "to f**k". So, "buggering" is not really a recent word, which I also found interesting.

 

[Iron Patch]

Awsome link IP!

I'm still researching my 1771 and learning in the process. I'm told an indicator on whether it is a contemporary counterfeit is the weight of the coin. I'm still trying to determine what the difference is between the term Regal and Non Regal terminology.

Counterfeits are lighter in general, but that really has nothing to do with whether a coin is counterfeit.... because regardless of weight, it either is, or it isn't. If it is, it means it was cast by a counterfeiter using a mold, or struck with counterfeit dies. Genuine coins are of course struck with genuine dies. Both a counterfeit coin and a genuine one can weigh the same so that wouldn't really tell you anything. There's some counterfeits that weigh much more than genuine ones, so you really can't use that as a rule. So the bottom line it's how they're made and not what they weigh.

Regal = Genuine
Non Regal = Counterfeit

 

[Dug]

Counterfeits are lighter in general, but that really has nothing to do with whether a coin is counterfeit.... because regardless of weight, it either is, or it isn't. If it is, it means it was cast by a counterfeiter using a mold, or struck with counterfeit dies. Genuine coins are of course struck with genuine dies. Both a counterfeit coin and a genuine one can weigh the same so that wouldn't really tell you anything. There's some counterfeits that weigh much more than genuine ones, so you really can't use that as a rule. So the bottom line it's how they're made and not what they weigh.

Regal = Genuine
Non Regal = Counterfeit

Thanks IP.

I would suppose that if the coin did not weigh the proper amount that would help determine if it was counterfeit/non regal.

Those that were in the proper weight would still have to be evaluated to determine if they were Regal or Non Regal. I suppose taking it to a coin authority would be the next step?

 

[Jyverb64]

Nice coins and a great button

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanks IP.

I would suppose that if the coin did not weigh the proper amount that would help determine if it was counterfeit/non regal.

Those that were in the proper weight would still have to be evaluated to determine if they were Regal or Non Regal. I suppose taking it to a coin authority would be the next step?

Yes, the weight is a good indicator to start, but just the starting point. There's been cases of coins turning up, even non dug ones and in a high grade, and even the experts can't decide which it is. I know of this happening to some french coins. Usually yes, the people who know them can tell the difference, but you have to keep in mind the rougher the condition the tougher it might be, because they have to be able to see the detail and the differences from the genuine ones. Many George coppers are so close most people don't know it's ctft, and even the ones that know, don't care. It's just a George copper.