Concealing Firearms While Detecting

[Treasure_Hunter]

My apologies TH

No apology needed sir, just friendly reminder to all so thread doesn't get locked...






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I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

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[Number9]

Humm? Wonder if the bad guy is thinking...

"Does he have it in him to pull the trigger on another human being without restraint or remorse?"

 

[xrunndonex]

I beg to differ, many studies show an armed society is a safer society. Ever wonder why there is so much gun violence in Chicago, NYC etc? Its because the civilian populace cannot express their 2 amendment right.

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

- Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6, 1938

I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but your not an American, its commonplace for people outside the US to no fully understand the idea of the US Constitution and what it means.

"WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed.

The Founders were declaring that we are all equal, and that we are defined by rights that we are born with, not given to us by government. Among those rights is the right to pursue happiness--to live our lives as we think best, as long as we respect the right of all other individuals to do the same. The Founders also declared that governments are created by people to secure their rights. Whatever powers government has are not "just" unless they come from us, the people."

I agree with bugsy. Ever been there? Hell I was in a small town there and people were walking down the street here no one does that

 

[xrunndonex]

Are you implying that you never exceed the speed limit?
Frank...-
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5 over all day sometimes much more but cops here just stop you and tell you to chill out. Hipo though will rape you

 

[xrunndonex]

Humm? Wonder if the bad guy is thinking...

"Does he have it in him to pull the trigger on another human being without restraint or remorse?"

That's one thing most of america couldn't pull the trigger on a human. If you don't pull it within the first 5 seconds then you won't at all

 

[dieselram94]

5 over all day sometimes much more but cops here just stop you and tell you to chill out. Hipo though will rape you

Hipo? Did I miss something?

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[Number9]

So.. you may think the police are really good with a pistol? Don't bet on it!

How about a range of 10 feet or less?

"According to an article published by the Police Policy Studies Council (a research-based, law enforcement training and consultation corporation), in Florida between 1990 and 2001, officers with the Metro-Dade Police, “fired about 1,300 bullets at suspects, and missed more than 1,100 times.

This suggests that Miami police fared no better than a 15.4% hit ratio…”

In New York City, police who used their firearms in “Gunfights, Other Shootings vs Perpetrator, and Against Dogs,” hit their intended targets only 38 percent of the time at distances between zero and two yards—and just 17 percent of the time at three to seven yards. This data was gathered from 1994 to 2000.

"Until last January, the pistol-qualification course required agents to participate in quarterly exercises in which they fired 50 rounds, more than half of them from between 15 and 25 yards. The new course involves 60 rounds, with 40 of those fired from between 3 and 7 yards.
The new training protocols were formally implemented last January after a review of nearly 200 shootings involving FBI agents during a 17-year period. The analysis found that 75% of the incidents involved suspects who were within 3 yards of agents when shots were exchanged.
The new exercise also requires that agents draw their weapons from concealed positions, usually from holsters shielded by jackets or blazers, to mimic their traditional plainclothes dress in the field."

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[Number9]

That's one thing most of america couldn't pull the trigger on a human. If you don't pull it within the first 5 seconds then you won't at all

But.. I'm not most of America.

 

[xrunndonex]

But.. I'm not most of America.

Could you pull the trigger? Would you feel remorse after the fact knowing you're the reason that individuals family is crying over there loss.

 

[dieselram94]

Could you pull the trigger? Would you feel remorse after the fact knowing you're the reason that individuals family is crying over there loss.

I doubt if tables were turned the criminals family wouldn't be crying over your loss...

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[dieselram94]

That's one thing most of america couldn't pull the trigger on a human. If you don't pull it within the first 5 seconds then you won't at all

You state this as fact. I'm curious, where are you getting these "facts" from?

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[Number9]

Could you pull the trigger? Would you feel remorse after the fact knowing you're the reason that individuals family is crying over there loss.

My Friend..

I don't know where you got your rose-colored glasses?

Could I pull the trigger? If my life, or someone else depended on me pulling the trigger... it's a sure thing!

Your forgetting.. many on this board are vets from war.

"Would you feel remorse after the fact knowing you're the reason that individuals family is crying over there loss."
No remorse.. better for the individuals family to cry.. than mine!

I lost my "rose-colored glasses" 46 years ago.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Could you pull the trigger? Would you feel remorse after the fact knowing you're the reason that individuals family is crying over there loss.

Could I pull the trigger if my friend's, my loved ones or my life is in danger.... In a heart beat with out hesitation...

Their family is crying because their loved chose to try to harm someone else and died for it........

As far as saying most couldn't pull the trigger you are so wrong.......






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......

 

[releventchair]

That's one thing most of america couldn't pull the trigger on a human. If you don't pull it within the first 5 seconds then you won't at all

Too bad those for gun restrictions don,t share your perspective! We are safer than many present us if majority won,t shoot.
As for wailing families, remorse or none at least I would be able to hear them should they be in earshot. Regarding five seconds. What if the valid threat to my life was reduced by attempt aborted and assailant turns and runs or has cover between us or umpteen other scenario,s? Not sure of your data source or if its strictly opinion?

 

[doc-d]

If I pull the trigger……the decision was made for me……and I assure you, if my life or other innocent's life is threatened……I will fire as trained and practiced many times……….I pray I do not need to, I try to avoid confrontations……..but it takes little time looking at the news to see the situations where bad people force good to defend themselves……
Look at how our military has trained us to overcome the natural tendency to not hurt humans……..there are many of us out there who will use necessary force if required…….we do not seek to, we do not want to…….it is not our decision but those forces of evil who seek victims to hurt…….any sad families should put the blame where it belongs, on the forces of evil who created the situation.

 

[Boatlode]

I just don't get this argument. Cops have been screened, trained and evaluated psychology for fitness. Some states anyone can carry a gun with few restrictions.

Are thugs screened? They carry guns.

 

[xrunndonex]

You state this as fact. I'm curious, where are you getting these "facts" from?

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Facts? Well idk about other towns but most guns taken by thugs here have nothing in the clip. They just use it as intimidation.

Here is a thing to ponder. Say you get mugged at gun point would you bring out you're gun? It would most likely escalate the situation. I don't carry but I would examine the mugger if I see he is soft I'd just walk away. A gun however could make you get shot if pulled out.

Home protection I'm all about that I'm trying to talk my women into letting me get a pump or a ar-15.

I could pull the trigger before anyone asks. Id just be pissed about the blood by my front door lol.

Out in town no I don't think its needed. Unless you live in the ghetto where gun violence is common.

Woods yea sure animals and tweaked out junkies and some kids armed with guns watching a grow for some cartel or some ****.

 

[doc-d]

It is nice you feel no need for self defense when you are out……fine, don't carry……..as for those of us who do not share your delusions, leave us alone…….if we don't need it, great….if we need it…..we have it…

 

[doc-d]

You need to talk the women into allowing you a gun Grow a pair…….

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Plenty of cases of citizens attacked on the street and shot or killed....

There are 4 million conceal carry holders in Florida now....






American by birth, Patriot by choice.

I would rather die standing on my two feet defending our Constitution than live a lifetime on my knees......