🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Conquistador / Spanish Spear Point?

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I found this roughly 5-6 years ago on my family's property in Southern Arizona. My initial thought upon finding it was an old knife with the handle missing. However after doing some poking around I believe it to be Conquistador / Spanish. I've searched heavily online looking for an identification guide of sorts but am having a tough time finding examples that are close to this one. Ideally, I'd like to know if I am making the proper assumption and the possible the age range. 15th-18th century? I've found some similar rat tail styles but nothing exact as of yet. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 

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I found this roughly 5-6 years ago on my family's property in Southern Arizona. My initial thought upon finding it was an old knife with the handle missing. However after doing some poking around I believe it to be Conquistador / Spanish. I've searched heavily online looking for an identification guide of sorts but am having a tough time finding examples that are close to this one. Ideally, I'd like to know the age range. 15th-17th century? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Looks pretty well made. I’m be following this one. I hope it checks out for you.
 
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Doesn't look like the Spanish spear points I have seen, looks more like a knife.

Take it to a museum in Tucson.
 
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Looks pretty well made. I’m be following this one. I hope it checks out for you.
Thanks! I'd just like to place it even if my assumption is incorrect.
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Doesn't look like the Spanish spear points I have seen, looks more like a knife.

Take it to a museum in Tucson.
Yeah I agree it does not look like the typical lance points with the conical socketing shafts. However I've seen a few similar rat tail styles labeled as Spanish in origin (though their assumptions could be incorrect also).

Any museums that you would suggest? I've never taken any items in. What is that typically like?
 
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I know of a few gold prospectors, metal detecting for gold nuggets in Arizona, dig up sometimes metal Indian points. They learned how to turn barrel bands into points for their arrows.
 
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Looking at the side view pic, probably is what you have there, a metal arrow or spear point. They used a cold chisel to cut (hot?) must have learned from the white blacksmith.
 
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I know of a few gold prospectors, metal detecting for gold nuggets in Arizona, dig up sometimes metal Indian points. They learned how to turn barrel bands into points for their arrows.
Yes I've seen these and am an avid collector of NA items. Though I have not found any metal points online that appear similar made out of barrel hoops. The bottom (rat tail aspect) looks very much like an old file. Assume it was before it was repurposed. Just wish I knew which culture and time frame hence my post!

Thanks for your feedback!
 
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Thanks! I'd just like to place it even if my assumption is incorrect.

Thank you!

Yeah I agree it does not look like the typical lance points with the conical socketing shafts. However I've seen a few similar rat tail styles labeled as Spanish in origin (though their assumptions could be incorrect also).

Any museums that you would suggest? I've never taken any items in. What is that typically like?
Here is a link to some in Southern Az.

 
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Your point does resemple the ones made for trade with Apache, made by Spanish. Except where it would mount to spear or arrow, is longer as if meant for a knife handle. I do have a set of palette knives made for painting. A couple are shaped exactly like your spear point. Maybe we should flip a coin. Old painter's knife is now a possibility.
 
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