Continental Curency Dollar Again.....

[steelheadwill]

I don't really know where to start,
as when I found my gold Ducat, it began with a premonition, just last night,
I had mentioned to my girlfriend that some of the early Colonial coins had the slogan
'Mind Your Business' attributed to my favorite Founding Father: Benjamin Franklin.
Had a -1.36 low tide this morning, so I was in the mud at dawn, made a few nice finds and finished up at 8 am. With my work schedule, I had a couple more hours to spare, so I thought about doing some hunting elsewhere.
Without ANY hope for significant finds, I headed to an inland tidal river, & started swinging, in a few seconds, I get a shallow 36 hit, turn over some mud, & pluck out a large coin, give it a rinse, & see what I thought was a chain around the edge,
dropped my detector & shovel and head back to my truck.
A closer look reveals that it is not a chain cent.
I have a good idea what it is, as I have a full set of colonial reproductions.
What to do ? of course look for more!
Found a few more interesting items, that any other day would be posted here & now.
Today is no ordinary day.
Rubbings show good date, am storing in distilled water until I can find info on having it professionally cleaned. tips welcome! more info:
http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/CC-Dollar.1.html
the top 2 pix are for comparison of course, bottom 6 are my find.
Thanks for looking, & Great Digs to You All, Herbie.
A Huge thanks to Mike, (4-H) for confirming field ID, and calming me down a bit!

 

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[Iron Patch]

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Greetings, Thanks for all your Input, help, and Congrats.
I recieved an email from a Colonial 'Expert', stating coin is a repro.
single sentence.
I still plan to present in person to some accredited source.
Good Day, & Great Digs to you all! Herbie.

Hi Herbie i don't see how any expert can determine it legality by looking at a photo of a coin in that condition , did this expert say it,s a flat out fake or a 1876 100 year copy ? 4 metals were used to make those silver copper pewter and even brass pattern,s , yes your best bet is take it a expert . Good luck Dd60

If an expert says repro. he means modern.

Modern being what ? in a mud flat where a lot of really old finds where made ,that dont make sense

Are you saying there was no other modern finds? But regardless, it is what it is no matter what the context is. It's just a matter of being content it's correctly Id'ed in the end.

 

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[steelheadwill]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

Greetings, Thanks for all your Input, help, and Congrats.
I recieved an email from a Colonial 'Expert', stating coin is a repro.
single sentence.
I still plan to present in person to some accredited source.
Good Day, & Great Digs to you all! Herbie.

Hi Herbie i don't see how any expert can determine it legality by looking at a photo of a coin in that condition , did this expert say it,s a flat out fake or a 1876 100 year copy ? 4 metals were used to make those silver copper pewter and even brass test pattern,s , yes your best bet is take it a expert . Good luck Dd60

Greetings DeepDiger60,
Just one sentence, 'coin is a reproduction'
as I said, i need to present in person . Thanks, herbie

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

Greetings, Thanks for all your Input, help, and Congrats.
I recieved an email from a Colonial 'Expert', stating coin is a repro.
single sentence.
I still plan to present in person to some accredited source.
Good Day, & Great Digs to you all! Herbie.

Hi Herbie i don't see how any expert can determine it legality by looking at a photo of a coin in that condition , did this expert say it,s a flat out fake or a 1876 100 year copy ? 4 metals were used to make those silver copper pewter and even brass pattern,s , yes your best bet is take it a expert . Good luck Dd60

If an expert says repro. he means modern.

Modern being what ? in a mud flat where a lot of really old finds where made ,that dont make sense

Are you saying there was no other modern finds? But regardless, it is what it is no matter what the context is. It's just a matter of being content it's correctly Id'ed in the end.

Agrred Ironpatch, it is what it is, hI will find out for sure eventually, good Dauy & thanks, Herbie

 

[colorado14ers]

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a gold coin now this??!!!!! your on a roll buddy. sorry to hear that its a repro though, still very cool

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

Greetings, Thanks for all your Input, help, and Congrats.
I recieved an email from a Colonial 'Expert', stating coin is a repro.
single sentence.
I still plan to present in person to some accredited source.
Good Day, & Great Digs to you all! Herbie.

Hi Herbie i don't see how any expert can determine it legality by looking at a photo of a coin in that condition , did this expert say it,s a flat out fake or a 1876 100 year copy ? 4 metals were used to make those silver copper pewter and even brass test pattern,s , yes your best bet is take it a expert . Good luck Dd60

Greetings DeepDiger60,
Just one sentence, 'coin is a reproduction'
as I said, i need to present in person . Thanks, herbie

You're having the same reaction I used to, to the expert one sentence answers. But when you think about it what else should they say? They obviously have no interest in reproductions, and a pretty good sign the ID is accurate is a good many Colonial coin experts are also dealers and they're not gonna let a good one get away if it could be real. In fact it's just the opposite, he'd be asking if it was for sale, and how much, and doing the extra research if he needed to.

 

[l.cutler]

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If the expert is truly one of the "big guns" they can tell from the photos. There are many self proclaimed experts out there however. Depends on who gave the opinion. I would not be at all surprised if it is a repro but if you still have doubts by all means have a hands on inspection.

 

[Iron Patch]

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If the expert is truly one of the "big guns"

It was Jimmy at the mall.

 

[creeper71]

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If the expert is truly one of the "big guns"

It was Jimmy at the mall.

AHH YEAH! JIMMY!! J/K

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

If the expert is truly one of the "big guns" they can tell from the photos. There are many self proclaimed experts out there however. Depends on who gave the opinion. I would not be at all surprised if it is a repro but if you still have doubts by all means have a hands on inspection.

Thanks for the advice, I don't think I can give the name of the person or business here. they are located in Concord Ma.
they have a decent webpage, & A few colonials for sale.
This info should be enough for anyone interested to track them down.
if someone thinks that this firm has the capacity to confirm the authenticity by these photos, let me know so i can put this coin in with my late 19th Items.
(and rename my post) HH to all, Herbie.

 

[BuckleBoy]

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Pursue this with the expert copper collectors. I have a strong hunch it's the real deal, given the look of it. It is probably pewter, and I hope it doesn't flake away to nothing on you. So get it conserved if possible. You could also paint it with a small brush with a mix of 50/50 elmer's glue and water if it starts to flake (this is 100% reversible). But I would wait until you see signs of flaking to make that choice.

Congrats!


-Buckles

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

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Wow, that's amazing. A coin from 1776. Great job!

...it can bring nothing but luck!

 

[allen]

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That coin looks real to me and
for once im hoping im right !
id say with better pics this coin
will take its spot up on the banner.

 

[IWillFindTheGold]

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Hey Herbie, this is just an observation, but I had to post this because it's fascinating.

I'm originally from Montreal, and the sundial design on that coin immediately struck me. It's bizarrely similar to the design of the 1976 Montreal Olympic stadium! (Exactly 200 years from the date of your coin.)

Great find!

 

[Cr4zyH0rs3]

Re: Well....

Sweet one!

Indeed!

 

[hogge]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

If the expert is truly one of the "big guns" they can tell from the photos. There are many self proclaimed experts out there however. Depends on who gave the opinion. I would not be at all surprised if it is a repro but if you still have doubts by all means have a hands on inspection.

Thanks for the advice, I don't think I can give the name of the person or business here. they are located in Concord Ma.
they have a decent webpage, & A few colonials for sale.
This info should be enough for anyone interested to track them down.
if someone thinks that this firm has the capacity to confirm the authenticity by these photos, let me know so i can put this coin in with my late 19th Items.
(and rename my post) HH to all, Herbie.

You should be dealing with a guy by the name of Tom Caldwell of Northeast Numismatics in Concord Ma. He is one of the TOP numisists in the U.S., if not, the world. I had my suspisions about it from trying to line up the die variety, (as stated), earlier in the post. It just doesn't line up. I have dealt with Tom PERSONALLY, and will see him at the Baystate Coin Show, in Boston, this coming Nov. There are just SOOOO many reproductions that have been thrown away, or dropped, that in a few short years in the ground, they can look like a 230 year old coin. FROM THE RED BOOK........."Numerous copies and replicas of these coins have been made over the years. Authentication is recommended for all pieces." I'm sure that over the years, Tom has even sold an authentic piece or two. You can be sure, he is 100% accurate! Hogge

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

Pursue this with the expert copper collectors. I have a strong hunch it's the real deal, given the look of it. It is probably pewter, and I hope it doesn't flake away to nothing on you. So get it conserved if possible. You could also paint it with a small brush with a mix of 50/50 elmer's glue and water if it starts to flake (this is 100% reversible). But I would wait until you see signs of flaking to make that choice.

Congrats!


-Buckles

I agree ...... and why can't a expert be wrong, would'nt be the first time, it has happened to me with a recorded coin on the Saxon coin corpus.

Get at least two oppinions.

SS

 

[steelheadwill]

Re: Continental Currency Dollar... new pix bottom ....

If the expert is truly one of the "big guns" they can tell from the photos. There are many self proclaimed experts out there however. Depends on who gave the opinion. I would not be at all surprised if it is a repro but if you still have doubts by all means have a hands on inspection.

Thanks for the advice, I don't think I can give the name of the person or business here. they are located in Concord Ma.
they have a decent webpage, & A few colonials for sale.
This info should be enough for anyone interested to track them down.
if someone thinks that this firm has the capacity to confirm the authenticity by these photos, let me know so i can put this coin in with my late 19th Items.
(and rename my post) HH to all, Herbie.

You should be dealing with a guy by the name of Tom Caldwell of Northeast Numismatics in Concord Ma. He is one of the TOP numisists in the U.S., if not, the world. I had my suspisions about it from trying to line up the die variety, (as stated), earlier in the post. It just doesn't line up. I have dealt with Tom PERSONALLY, and will see him at the Baystate Coin Show, in Boston, this coming Nov. There are just SOOOO many reproductions that have been thrown away, or dropped, that in a few short years in the ground, they can look like a 230 year old coin. FROM THE RED BOOK........."Numerous copies and replicas of these coins have been made over the years. Authentication is recommended for all pieces." I'm sure that over the years, Tom has even sold an authentic piece or two. You can be sure, he is 100% accurate! Hogge

Thanks!, right firm , wrong person, will be bringing item in personally soon.
Thanks & HH, Herbie.

 

[steelheadwill]

My observations of the inside & outside lines of script (continental curency, & fugio)show that mine are the same font size, where all the authentic versions I've seen
have fugio in smaller font, has anyone seen an example of these letters being the same font size? would like to close this post, thanks Herbie.

 

[BuckleBoy]

My observations of the inside & outside lines of script (continental curency, & fugio)show that mine are the same font size, where all the authentic versions I've seen
have fugio in smaller font, has anyone seen an example of these letters being the same font size? would like to close this post, thanks Herbie.

Have you considered the possibility that they look the same size because of environmental damage around the rim?

I still think taking the coin to several qualified individuals in the numismatic world is your best bet.


-Buckles

 

[Iron Patch]

My observations of the inside & outside lines of script (continental curency, & fugio)show that mine are the same font size, where all the authentic versions I've seen
have fugio in smaller font, has anyone seen an example of these letters being the same font size? would like to close this post, thanks Herbie.

Have you considered the possibility that they look the same size because of environmental damage around the rim?

I still think taking the coin to several qualified individuals in the numismatic world is your best bet.


-Buckles

He's talking about lettering that's well within the coin and what I said was my concern in my first post. If an authentic die pattern does not match it's pretty simple, it's some type of reproduction counterfeit. There's always the one in a million shot it's a new variety but good luck proving that. The part that seems odd, but is very true, is it will be much more of a search trying to match it to the fake than it would be if it was authentic. I'm sure there's a reproduction out there somewhere that looks exactly the same.