Counterfit King George II Copper?

[Ed-NH]

Hi all,

I'm not sure if this should be posted here, if not please move it to the appropriate area

Here is a close up of the King George II copper I posted a couple days ago. I am thinking that it may be a counterfit. They forged KG's a lot in the colonies. Some were stamped and others were cast. Sometimes you can see the cast vent and fill areas on the rim edges.

This one is quite thick, has a rough cast finish, very 'worn' appearance but the rough cast is crisp, it is mis-shapen and you can see the file marks around the rim edges. There is a dot on the obverse at 10:00 and 3:00 just to the right and left of the head respectively. Im am not sure what they are but could be stamp or casting defects. The date appears to be 1754 or 34 which falls in line with a KG II although lots of times they put only part of the date on them to make them look worn. Any thoughts on this? It just does not look like any of my other ones. Thought you may find this interesting. I can get you more pics if necessary 8)

Ed-

 

[kdismuke1]

COUNTERFIT ARE NOT IT IS A GOOD FIND. BEST OF LUCK.

 

[phantomfinder]

Sweet find there.... WTG ,

 

[Don in SJ]

Ed, we have quite a few cast counterfeit KGII, and some with nice file marks on the edges, so no doubt it is one of the cast counterfeits. I believe up to 40% of KGII that circulated were counterfeits.(Ref: Forgotten Coins of the North American Colonies).

Your coin appears to be a Young Head design, making it 1729-39, so if you think you see a 4 than 1734 it be.


Don

 

[creeper71]

that is a really nice looking coin!! I can see 17-4 ... awesome find! Don is this one of the more rare varieties?

 

[JerV3]

Nice find,

Real or a fake. I'm gonna say fake. A nice one to. Man money must have been hard to come by in those days. I have found a good amount of LC here in p.a. But the foreighn and colonial coins have been rare.

HH Jer

 

[Iron Patch]

Definitely a cast counterfeit. Nice!

 

[spanishsilver]

Cool finds Ed...That is surely counterfeit...Cool finds anyway though...Good Luck

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Nice counterfeit. And being cast it makes it even more special.
Chris

 

[West Jersey Detecting]

That is a great find! I see a lot of descriptive words like "fake" in these types of posts, and I think that is a bit unrepresentative. The word implies it is a museum shop souvenir, when in fact these early counterfeits tell a story. It is a story of times when there was not enough coinage available in the colonies and the young United States. These coins were manufactured to meet that demand. Although the counterfeits were illegal, most merchants looked the other way and accepted the coins.

Congrats on finding a terrific, historically significant coin!!!
Neil

 

[dfx willy]

ya what neil said! heres my 1740 king george. willy.

 

[Ed-NH]

ya what neil said! heres my 1740 king george. willy.

Sweet find Willy. I love coppers!

 

[Ed-NH]

Thank You Everyone

Thank you to all for your interest in this post. I am quite pleased that you all agree it is a counterfit. Finding a real one makes me happy but finding a piece of history like this may be a once in a lifetime experience for me. I have read a lot about these counterfit coins and always wanted a piece of history like this. I have read that almost 1/2 of the King George coppers in the colones in the mid 1750's were counterfit. I am very fortunate to live in NH and for the opportunity to hunt on local properties of such generous folks. This piece will proudly be displayed in my token display case but with a powerful story to be told 8) Thanks again for all your help.

 

[romeo-1]

It is interesting to read the posts from those who do not yet realize that a counterfeit is to most more desirable than a regal. This site serves to educate!

Nice find!

 

[BuckleBoy]

It is interesting to read the posts from those who do not yet realize that a counterfeit is to most more desirable than a regal. This site serves to educate!

Nice find!

You're Danged Right!



This is a Great find.

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Re: Thank You Everyone

Thank you to all for your interest in this post. I am quite pleased that you all agree it is a counterfit. Finding a real one makes me happy but finding a piece of history like this may be a once in a lifetime experience for me. I have read a lot about these counterfit coins and always wanted a piece of history like this. I have read that almost 1/2 of the King George coppers in the colones in the mid 1750's were counterfit. I am very fortunate to live in NH and for the opportunity to hunt on local properties of such generous folks. This piece will proudly be displayed in my token display case but with a powerful story to be told 8) Thanks again for all your help.

Yeah Ed when I found my counterfeit Draped bust dollar not so long ago I was well aware that the find was special and not to down it because it was fake. Keep up the great work
Chris