✅ SOLVED Crossed Cannon Hat Plate

[MonkeyBoy]

Found this yesterday, so far it has not been ID'ed in any of the books. It is one piece stamped brass, looks like there were hook on the reverse. It is a lot like a crossed rifle hat plate I saw dug in he same area. Circa 1830 - 1850s. I hae checked all the books and googlrd till I can't google no more!

If anyone ha any ideas, please let me know. There were bother Artty and rifle militia in the area during the time .

Update: It is 3 1/4" by 1 3/4". It looks like it had solder marks on the reverse, typical of the small wire you see on hat plates. It is very thin, so I have my doubts about it being a belt plate. The area it came from has produced everything from very early Virginia buttons to eagle and US belt plates. First picture is the obverse and the second is the reverse.

Thanks!

 

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[MonkeyBoy]

I think this has become one of the more frustrating relics I've found. I have not been able to get any info on it... so I might have to just make up my own!! ;-) I dug it, I can call it!!! ;-) Weather permitting heading out to the same spot.

 

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[cw0909]

MB this looks like the same type of cannon, minus the attachment loops, this insignia is from
a kepi from the US, Indian Wars, 1872, maybe a route to check out

# 001339
US, Indian Wars, 1872 - 1895 Crossed Artillery Cannons for Kepi or Campaign Hat
Hayes Otoupalik


kepi Hayes Otoupalik U.S. Indian Wars

yours

 

[MonkeyBoy]

MB this looks like the same type of cannon, minus the attachment loops, this insignia is from
a kepi from the US, Indian Wars, 1872, maybe a route to check out

# 001339
US, Indian Wars, 1872 - 1895 Crossed Artillery Cannons for Kepi or Campaign Hat
Hayes Otoupalik


kepi Hayes Otoupalik U.S. Indian Wars
View attachment 943056
yours

I agree the cannons do have that style, but the fact it is stamped on a thin plate... most likely a cross belt plat, is the stickler. It really is just th not knowing where it cme from... militia, school etc.. seems it has had ti have been reference someplace! I would just like to be able to attribute it, and no one seems to have seen one reference anywhere. I "might" be a little anal retentive about it!! ;-)

Thanks!
MB

 

[MonkeyBoy]

I know it matches the post CW style in some cases, but it also matches some of the earlier devices as well. Ridgeway Reference Archive  Hatpin, artillery M0550 Hat insignia, artillery, non-regulation officer. and Hat insignia, artillery, non-regulation officer.

MB

 

[cw0909]

yea id want to know what it from too, ill keep looking too

 

[MonkeyBoy]

yea id want to know what it from too, ill keep looking too

Thanks cw0909!!

 

[MonkeyBoy]

I'll post complete information later.. but it has been ID'ed!! Bannerman made plate for Militia, ROTC etc.. fits with other items found in the area.. post Civil War.