CTX 3030 raw power

[MrMikeJackie]

Just got back from a beach hunt with a few buddies. I swing a stock Sovereign Elite. One guy uses a CTX3030, another a whites v3i and the other a stock excal II. I get a whisper in all metal and call my buds over. The v3i nothing, the excal nothing even in all metal. The 3030 comes over in stock beach program turns to me and says that's a quarter at 10 inches. 45-46 on his display. 10 inches down we find, you guessed it, a quarter. To say we were all amazed is an understatement. I think I'll get the last laugh though when I get my 15 inch WOT coil. Then again he could always bust out his 17"er. Watch out!

 

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

Kicking arse and taking names!

Only $2,498.75 left to break even!

 

[jmaryt]

Kicking arse and taking names!

Only $2,498.75 left to break even!

ehe! he! he!..ho! ho! ho!..
time to call in some loans!..ehe! he! he!
i want to own shares at that money!..ehe! he! he!

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j.t.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... he could always bust out his 17"er. Watch out!

If that CTX was using the stock 10 or 11" coil, then it seems like the Sovereign and the Excal should equally have gotten that target (if you were using the 10.5 " coils).

 

[Jason in Enid]

If that CTX was using the stock 10 or 11" coil, then it seems like the Sovereign and the Excal should equally have gotten that target (if you were using the 10.5 " coils).

I would have thought the same thing, but then I've never done a head-head with my CTX and Excal.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I would have thought the same thing, but then I've never done a head-head with my CTX and Excal.

Well, results can be skewed by the skills of the user, settings, etc.... But from my understanding: The CTX is .... really ... nothing more than a glorified Explorer, in a water-proof package. I mean, depth-wise anyhow (I'm sure there's added bells and whistles in addition to the water-proofing). HOWEVER: whereas the Explorer hits a point-of-diminishing returns on coil sizes, at the 10.5 mark, the CTX can, in fact, handle larger coils, and go deeper on coin sized targets.

What I mean is, let's say for example someone puts a WOT coil on an Explorer: It's generally agreed that you don't get coin-sized targets any deeper. You're merely increasing coverage swath, period. Hence the "point-of-diminishing returns". However, it's my understanding that the CTX, when used in conjunction with that 17" coil, does in fact continue to get deeper (another inch or two?) on coin sized targets. Albeit with the inherent drawbacks of going to larger coils, of course. But still, deeper.

So that's why I'm saying that in the listing of the OP's machines trying that flagged targets, and assuming that CTX had the 10.5 coil (or 11 or whatever it is), then it seems that the Sov and Excal (if they too were using their 10.5 coils) SHOULD have heard it.

If not, then the user settings were at play. Sorry to be a kill-joy, but the CTX is not some miracle depth-wise, when talking comparative size coils, with those machines listed.

 

[Metal Detecting Stuff]

The CTX has a new Seawater mode that allows it to run at higher sensitivity. It also uses FBS2, an upgraded version of the FBS technology. I'm guessing it was a marginal target next to iron that the faster processor and other enhancements allowed to get through.

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[Jason in Enid]

Well, results can be skewed by the skills of the user, settings, etc.... But from my understanding: The CTX is .... really ... nothing more than a glorified Explorer, in a water-proof package. I mean, depth-wise anyhow (I'm sure there's added bells and whistles in addition to the water-proofing). HOWEVER: whereas the Explorer hits a point-of-diminishing returns on coil sizes, at the 10.5 mark, the CTX can, in fact, handle larger coils, and go deeper on coin sized targets.

What I mean is, let's say for example someone puts a WOT coil on an Explorer: It's generally agreed that you don't get coin-sized targets any deeper. You're merely increasing coverage swath, period. Hence the "point-of-diminishing returns". However, it's my understanding that the CTX, when used in conjunction with that 17" coil, does in fact continue to get deeper (another inch or two?) on coin sized targets. Albeit with the inherent drawbacks of going to larger coils, of course. But still, deeper.

So that's why I'm saying that in the listing of the OP's machines trying that flagged targets, and assuming that CTX had the 10.5 coil (or 11 or whatever it is), then it seems that the Sov and Excal (if they too were using their 10.5 coils) SHOULD have heard it.

If not, then the user settings were at play. Sorry to be a kill-joy, but the CTX is not some miracle depth-wise, when talking comparative size coils, with those machines listed.

The CTX is FAR from being a "glorified Explorer", but you are correct that the CTX with 17" coil does in fact get deeper coins. Myself and a DEUS user both gridded a farm field where many coins were dug. I went back again with the pro-coil and found nothing. A 3rd pass with the 17 found a quarter (easily) at 12 inches. I know I covered that spot with the pro-coil and it just didn't see it, it possibly resulted in a null target but either way it wasn't dug.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

Well, results can be skewed by the skills of the user, settings, etc.... But from my understanding: The CTX is .... really ... nothing more than a glorified Explorer, in a water-proof package. I mean, depth-wise anyhow (I'm sure there's added bells and whistles in addition to the water-proofing). HOWEVER: whereas the Explorer hits a point-of-diminishing returns on coil sizes, at the 10.5 mark, the CTX can, in fact, handle larger coils, and go deeper on coin sized targets.

What I mean is, let's say for example someone puts a WOT coil on an Explorer: It's generally agreed that you don't get coin-sized targets any deeper. You're merely increasing coverage swath, period. Hence the "point-of-diminishing returns". However, it's my understanding that the CTX, when used in conjunction with that 17" coil, does in fact continue to get deeper (another inch or two?) on coin sized targets. Albeit with the inherent drawbacks of going to larger coils, of course. But still, deeper.

So that's why I'm saying that in the listing of the OP's machines trying that flagged targets, and assuming that CTX had the 10.5 coil (or 11 or whatever it is), then it seems that the Sov and Excal (if they too were using their 10.5 coils) SHOULD have heard it.

If not, then the user settings were at play. Sorry to be a kill-joy, but the CTX is not some miracle depth-wise, when talking comparative size coils, with those machines listed.

I respect your insight, but, we are all pretty well versed in the use of our machines.As i stated we were all pretty surprised at the result of this little comparo. i cant explain why just what we saw with our own eyes. And we tried over and over, adjusting this and that to no avail. The CTX saw it with no problem. Does not mean i will run out and by one, not yet at least.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

Kicking arse and taking names!

Only $2,498.75 left to break even!

I have to break the news to you but that machine has paid for itself about 3 times already.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

I would have thought the same thing, but then I've never done a head-head with my CTX and Excal.

You should, we were pretty surprised.

 

[nomad 11]

I have to break the news to you but that machine has paid for itself about 3 times already.

i'd sell my wife to get one of those if thats true.

 

[CincinnatiKid]

A bit off topic, but are the CTX's numerical readings more similar to an ETrac or Explorer?
Thanks
Peace ✌

 

[Jason in Enid]

Very close to the E-Trac in one mode, some numbers change quite a bit in another mode.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

i'd sell my wife to get one of those if thats true.

Well, if you lived were I do and had the time my buddy has, you're wife would have been sold a long time ago

 

[bigscoop]

Honestly, I'm stunned that an Excal or Sov couldn't hit a quarter at 10", especially with 10" coils.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

Honestly, I'm stunned that an Excal or Sov couldn't hit a quarter at 10", especially with 10" coils.

Imagine if it was you, I'm still scratching my head. Although my sovereign was the one that found it first, in all metal, barely.

 

[lookindown]

My CZ21 would of got it...the only difference is, I would have been able to tell you "its a quarter at ten inches lying at a 45 degree angle"

 

[lookindown]

Me and my friends check each others targets all the time to see how the signals differ between machines. We do it land hunting and water.

 

[MrMikeJackie]

My CZ21 would of got it...the only difference is, I would have been able to tell you "its a quarter at ten inches lying at a 45 degree angle"

I'm pretty sure my whites beach hunter id300 would have gotten it as well, and loud at that. But it has a 12 inch concentric coil as opposed to a 10inch dd. I can't complain though, my sovereign has found me plenty of gold in the short time I've had it. I'll take coverage over depth any day. If it was all about depth I'd just get a pi machine and dig to china.