Days 2 and 3 at New Site = Classic Head Large Cent + Worn Farthing (???)

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

KKC got out to our new site yesterday and today. Yesterday was a good day for me, as I was able to recover a Classic Head large cent. This is my third Classic Head cent this year.

Today, we went back to the horse pasture again in search of more hidden secrets. As I was swinging along, I was startled by a nice reading on my machine. I pulled out a small copper coin-like object. There is no resemblance of a shank whatsoever, but there is a small hole going through it. I believe that it is a farthing. I have it sitting right on top of a King George III farthing, and they are the same exact diameter.

Here it is next to what I think is a King George III farthing. The non-dug farthing, which is pictured to the left, is 20.5 mm and weighs 2.20 grams. My possible farthing is also 20.5 mm in diameter and weighs 1.55 grams. Could mine be a farthing?

Here is a picture of the thicknesses of them.

Thanks for viewing!

Kyle

Don in SJ · Aug 16, 2009

Nice going on more coppers Kyle, tough call on the possible farthing, since even the non-dug one is very underweight. Is the non-dug one Irish? The Irish Farthing are lighter, but not sure they could be that light on your dug one. Hate when a true determination can not be made and I know for sure I cannot say either way by looking at photos and your photos and dimensions.

Don

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

Don in SJ said:
Nice going on more coppers Kyle, tough call on the possible farthing, since even the non-dug one is very underweight. Is the non-dug one Irish? The Irish Farthing are lighter, but not sure they could be that light on your dug one. Hate when a true determination can not be made and I know for sure I cannot say either way by looking at photos and your photos and dimensions.

Don

I am not even 100% certain that the non-dug copper is a farthing. Were there any denominations smaller than a farthing?

WhiteHunter · Aug 16, 2009

It looks like one, i wonder how it got there?

Don in SJ · Aug 16, 2009

Well, the non-dug Farthing is probably a Farthing but would have to be a counterfeit at that low weight. Again, is it a Irish farthing or is there not enough detail showing on reverse to say? Irish coppers are lighter weight in general than the regal British ones. (But even if Irish, still a counterfeit)

Your holed coin, I think is too light to even be a counterfeit Farthing, but again, not sure, also could be something else....

Don

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

Don in SJ said:
Well, the non-dug Farthing is probably a Farthing but would have to be a counterfeit at that low weight. Again, is it a Irish farthing or is there not enough detail showing on reverse to say? Irish coppers are lighter weight in general than the regal British ones. (But even if Irish, still a counterfeit)

Your holed coin, I think is too light to even be a counterfeit Farthing, but again, not sure, also could be something else....

Don

Sorry, Don, the non-dug farthing has the lady on the reverse. I think it is british.

As for the holed coin, I probably may never know. It is just another one of those frustrating mysteries that metal detecting brings about.

Kyle

WhiteHunter · Aug 16, 2009

im nearly 100% its a farthing

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

WhiteHunter said:
im nearly 100% its a farthing

WhiteHunter,

Do you have any farthings that you could post for us? And, if are able to, could you weigh the counterfeit and regal ones?

Kyle

allen · Aug 16, 2009

good job on that nice L.C !!

ModernMiner · Aug 16, 2009

Sir Kyle,
Great job on the LC big guy. :icon_thumleft:

Glad to see you survived the grueling heat too. :sunny:

I hope I don't end my 2nd year without finding an LC. D-mn coins!!! >:(

Congrats,
Doug
P.S. Your hands look so clean too. Are you using lots of lotion? :laughing9:

Derek752 · Aug 16, 2009

YOOOOOOOOOO !! K'man :headbang:

Looks like the PA soy-L ( soil ) took its toll on the coppas :sad1:

I'm sure the horse manure didn't help either. Still I'm certain there are more coins waitng to see the light of day !

I'm anxious to find out if the wannabe farthing is the real Mckoy !

Nice Lg Cent brotha !! :icon_thumright:

D. 8)

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

ModernMiner said:
Sir Kyle,
Great job on the LC big guy. Glad to see you survived the grueling heat too.
I hope I don't end my 2nd year without finding an LC. D-mn coins!!!
Congrats,
Doug
P.S. Your hands look so clean too. Are you using lots of lotion?

Don't worry, Dug, you'll get that dated LC very, very soon. Keep hunting those NC sites with the passion, and you'll get more than you can count!

As for the hands, just wait until late Winter comes around. My hands can't go one day without cracking and bleeding all over the keyboard. Then, and only then, I can say that I have man hands. :laughing9:

Sir Kyle

Kyle PA · Aug 16, 2009

Derek752 said:
YOOOOOOOOOO !! K'man

Looks like the PA soy-L ( soil ) took its toll on the coppas I'm sure the horse manure didn't help either. Still I'm certain there are more coins waitng to see the light of day !

I'm anxious to find out if the wannabe farthing is the real Mckoy !

Nice Lg Cent brotha !!

D. 8)

My Colonial amigo, the one and only Derek752, the Colonial hunting maniac from Upstate New York,

I am super glad that I was able to pull out one largie this weekend. As for the farthing (?), I am biting my Colonial lip and saying, "<beep><beep>". :laughing9:

Insert cuss words where the beeps are in the previous sentence. :laughing9:

We'll be seeking permission for a new site next Weekend. We have our eyes on the Colonial!!!!!! :headbang:

K. Man

silvercop · Aug 16, 2009

Colonial Copper Zeus · Aug 17, 2009

We found quite a few classic head lc's this year for some reason. On to a new spot.

halfdime · Aug 17, 2009

That's the frustrating thing about copper; you're pretty sure you have something coin in your hands but you can't always be certain. Then you lay awake wondering :wink:

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WhiteHunter · Aug 17, 2009

KylePA said:
WhiteHunter said:

im nearly 100% its a farthing

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WhiteHunter,

Do you have any farthings that you could post for us? And, if are able to, could you weigh the counterfeit and regal ones?

Kyle

im not sure if i have any farthings, but i did find a george the 3rd halfpenny yesturday and its the same colour as yours

Iron Patch · Aug 17, 2009

Don in SJ said:
Well, the non-dug Farthing is probably a Farthing but would have to be a counterfeit at that low weight. Again, is it a Irish farthing or is there not enough detail showing on reverse to say? Irish coppers are lighter weight in general than the regal British ones. (But even if Irish, still a counterfeit)

Your holed coin, I think is too light to even be a counterfeit Farthing, but again, not sure, also could be something else....

Don

The non dug is definitely a British counterfeit farthing.

I'm on very little sleep right now, but without looking it up I think a George III 1760s/70s Irish Farthing is a pretty uncommon coin. I can't even picture one, or remember ever having one. Going to have to check it later. If the Farthing above was Irish the bust would be a much different style. That's why a George III farthing puzzles me, don't remember ever seeing an Irish bust on a farthing.

(Just took a quick look and don't believe there was Farthings issued under Irish George III during the 18th century. There's no doubt existing counterfeits and they would be sweet!)