Detecting with Dogs, your opinion wanted.

[dowser]

yes, Chance does great at preplaced Gold and Silver.
Even in compacted dirt.

Be we haven't found anything that was lost yet.

He is good at it.
But these are preplaced objects.
I am hoping he finds something just naturally.

I would attempt different tests..
I would attach my signal to a leather collar, and attempt cup tests first.
Make sure there is no Microwave's running in the background. And if there possibly is, try the test on other days..
Placing the signal near the Dogs head might benefit it's frequency reception if any..

 

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[achanceforgold]

He's just smelling metal objects to me. Most buried objects have a smell about them, especially rusted ones. Most of those you show I reckon would have a pretty strong smell to a human let alone a dog. Its smelling the scent leaching into the surrounding ground.
Often if I find what might be a hotrock containing gold will smell it. Its a dead giveaway that actual iron steel smell.
Its a success finding metal but can't help feel that's probably as good as it will get. Interesting experiment though.

My one debate with that is he can distinguish the scent of different metals.
This is a 1-foot test. I've touched everything.
He's able to pick out the gold and silver over a regular dime or penny.
So I am not exactly sure what is going on.

 

[dowser]

My one debate with that is he can distinguish the scent of different metals.
This is a 1-foot test. I've touched everything.
He's able to pick out the gold and silver over a regular dime or penny.
So I am not exactly sure what is going on.

I would start from scratch. Not cups, bowls.
Three flipped over bowls, same Element under one, as in the collar.
Wash your scent off the bowl signal..
Reward him to help him learn.. Try a treat with the target at first. Teach him to recognize a Gold frequency with a smell Frequency, then remove the smell.
Microwave interference will effect any results..

 

[achanceforgold]

I would start from scratch. Not cups, bowls.
Three flipped over bowls, same Element under one, as in the collar.
Wash your scent off the bowl signal..
Reward him to help him learn.. Try a treat with the target at first. Teach him to recognize a Gold frequency with a smell Frequency, then remove the smell.
Microwave interference will effect any results..

I can't use leather. The wife is a vegan.
She gets upset with that stuff.

But I'll try the bowl test.

 

[Gold:Au]

I will start this post by acknowledging that dogs do have legendary scent abilities. I have seen a documentary on a dog who when presented with several small cardboard tubes that people had breathed through was immediately and confidently able to find the one that had been breathed through by someone with a specific form of cancer. Most days the dog would get it 100% right, but some days he did no better than chance. Then there are those incredible seizure dogs who are able to smell the chemistry change in a person and warn them of an impending seizure.

Now having said that, I am not convinced that a dog is capable of sniffing out precious metals.

One of the reasons precious metals are precious is their molecular stability and resistance to oxidation and chemical interactions. I doubt there are enough gold or silver based aromatics in the air for even a dog to smell.

Here is a fun fact - you know how copper and brass has a mushroomy metallic smell when you handle it? It's not the metal you are smelling, it is a chemical named Oct-1-en-3-one, which is a by-product of the chemical reaction of skin lipid peroxides and metal ions. The metal is a catalyst that turns your skin oils into a product that coincidentally smells metallic.

I would put it to you that while a dog could (and obviously has, in this case) find reactive metals like steel or zinc (as found in brass) on smell alone, gold and platinum that has not recently been handled by a human would be beyond the capabilities for a dig to sniff out.
Silver may be possible though.

I would love to be proven wrong, and look forward to seeing you factor this into your experiments

 

[dowser]

From what I've learned, everything is energy, frequency, vibration..
Everything means even invisible stuff..
A frequency is invisible!
Teach a Dog to recognize a frequency, it needs to learn what to acknowledge.
A Dog isn't born sniffing drugs out, it gets tought what a drug frequency senses like..
Even if you don't want to believe their is an invisible connection line between same elements, it's irrelevant..
Their absolutely is an invisible connection line created.. Give the Dog time to learn. Realize the Dog might sense it, when we can't!

 

[achanceforgold]

I will start this post by acknowledging that dogs do have legendary scent abilities. I have seen a documentary on a dog who when presented with several small cardboard tubes that people had breathed through was immediately and confidently able to find the one that had been breathed through by someone with a specific form of cancer. Most days the dog would get it 100% right, but some days he did no better than chance. Then there are those incredible seizure dogs who are able to smell the chemistry change in a person and warn them of an impending seizure.

Now having said that, I am not convinced that a dog is capable of sniffing out precious metals.

One of the reasons precious metals are precious is their molecular stability and resistance to oxidation and chemical interactions. I doubt there are enough gold or silver based aromatics in the air for even a dog to smell.

Here is a fun fact - you know how copper and brass has a mushroomy metallic smell when you handle it? It's not the metal you are smelling, it is a chemical named Oct-1-en-3-one, which is a by-product of the chemical reaction of skin lipid peroxides and metal ions. The metal is a catalyst that turns your skin oils into a product that coincidentally smells metallic.

I would put it to you that while a dog could (and obviously has, in this case) find reactive metals like steel or zinc (as found in brass) on smell alone, gold and platinum that has not recently been handled by a human would be beyond the capabilities for a dig to sniff out.
Silver may be possible though.

I would love to be proven wrong, and look forward to seeing you factor this into your experiments

You are correct Sir. A dog is not scent detecting Gold or Silver. They are scent detecting Gold Sulfide and Silver Sulfide. Au2S Au3S and Ag2S. They can distinguish the difference. The have the ability to scent detect 1 part per trillion.

The scent detection dogs you see at airports or sporting events are all products of a 1962 experiment that Finland developed to scent detect Iron Ore for their steel industry. In the early 70's the UK took notice and asked Finland if dogs could detect cannabis. Some dogs were trained and in 1972 Drug detection dogs started in the UK. The US Customs needed help, and they did the same. Now scent detection dogs are being trained to detect boot leg DVD's and Counterfeit money. Anything you can think of. But they all started from the experiment to train prospecting dogs. Yes, scent detection dogs for mining were the first.

Prospecting dog - Wikipedia

Sniffer dog helps find fake DVDs - BBC News

Rex the "ore dog" visits SA - YouTube

Better explanation of the training at 2 minutes in on this video

Oredog Discovery 2013 HD 1080 - YouTube

All Gold contains Gold-Sulfide, and all Silver contains Silver-Sulfide. That's why you see a purity of 99.9% and not 100%. It's on a microscopic level but at a level that can be classified be a dog's incredible ability to classify scents. A gold coin, such is in the video, is about 90% pure, I think 20k. Gold in nature ranges from 10k to about 20k or 22k. Nothing pure and they all will contain a sulfide element of their composition.

I'm sure you've seen darken silver; we call tarnish. That's Silver -Sulfide. It occurs naturally to all metals. Yes, even gold on a microscopic level. But that is all a dog needs to classify the metal, is a small amount of that metal's sulfide.

Elephants are actually much better at scent detecting metals but it's a little difficult to get them in and out of the car.
So, I went with the dog. 😁

But I fully understand you calling BS. I did myself at first. But after researching it. I tried it and it works.
Dogs have scent detected ore deposits 12 meters, 40 feet underground and cadaver dogs have scent detected 80 feet below the surface of the water. Some archeologists have started using them to discover buried sites.

Good thing they can do it. Because if not, terrorist would be loading planes with all kinds of explosive materials.
All dog breeds have the ability to scent detect. According to scientist. They are all equal.

Kind Regards

 

[achanceforgold]

From what I've learned, everything is energy, frequency, vibration..
Everything means even invisible stuff..
A frequency is invisible!
Teach a Dog to recognize a frequency, it needs to learn what to acknowledge.
A Dog isn't born sniffing drugs out, it gets tought what a drug frequency senses like..
Even if you don't want to believe their is an invisible connection line between same elements, it's irrelevant..
Their absolutely is an invisible connection line created.. Give the Dog time to learn. Realize the Dog might sense it, when we can't!

I started working on your test idea last night.
two identical gold coins. I just need a better way of attaching it to the dog's collar.
But I am traveling this week.

To be honest, I know nothing about dowsing lines or dowsing.
I don't think I personally have that ability.
But I do know it's an ancient technique that the catholic church band as witchcraft.
It wasn't until the reformation that it resurfaced and thousands if not tens of thousands over the last 400 years say they can do it.

So, I'm willing to see if the dog can somehow connect to these mysterious lines.
If this can enhance his scent capability somehow.
Why not. I'll try it. It's free

 

[dowser]

I would bet you do have the ability..
My Dowsing technique is not similar to what is posted by others..
Just tape it to the collar. As long as the Gold is touching the collar, if organic, it'll matrix to it.
A ring signal around its neck..
Maybe a Dog can't chase/follow a frequency connection line, they have hightened senses.. They are a bit high strung.. But givin time, they might sense it. Not smell it!
They even sense spirits, according to some vid on line.. Another type of frequency, I'd say..

 

[dowser]

I would bet you do have the ability..
My Dowsing technique is not similar to what is posted by others..
Just tape it to the collar. As long as the Gold is touching the collar, if organic, it'll matrix to it.
A ring signal around its neck..
Maybe a Dog can't chase/follow a frequency connection line, they have hightened senses.. They are a bit high strung.. But givin time, they might sense it. Not smell it!
They even sense spirits, according to some vid on line.. Another type of frequency, I'd say..

I will show anyone, I just wish someone would come and see.. Cherry festival coming up!
I don't consider testing a Dogs possible reaction to a Gold frequency, Witchcraft..
If anyone does want to show up and see Dowsing, be warned. My strongest signal that I would show with, is Spiritual, not Science..
Meaning, I would teach you on a human connection, rather than an Element connection line .

 

[achanceforgold]

I will show anyone, I just wish someone would come and see.. Cherry festival coming up!
I don't consider testing a Dogs possible reaction to a Gold frequency, Witchcraft..
If anyone does want to show up and see Dowsing, be warned. My strongest signal that I would show with, is Spiritual, not Science..
Meaning, I would teach you on a human connection, rather than an Element connection line .

Oh, I don't think anyone considers it witchcraft in today's day and age.
I think most people consider it a phenomenon that isn't understood by most.

I know Nichola Tesla was interested in it and may have done some research into it.
He did a lot of research on frequencies.

 

[Davio88]

Dogs can make the distinction. It is your training method which is faulty. You are rewarding the dog in some way. An excited expectation in your voice when the dog finds something? That's a reward, a huge reward and you don't even know what you are going to dig up. When you're in the field with your dog you are always in a state of training. Only reward when you find the good stuff. The rest of the time your emotions have to be neutral.

 

[achanceforgold]

Dogs can make the distinction. It is your training method which is faulty. You are rewarding the dog in some way. An excited expectation in your voice when the dog finds something? That's a reward, a huge reward and you don't even know what you are going to dig up. When you're in the field with your dog you are always in a state of training. Only reward when you find the good stuff. The rest of the time your emotions have to be neutral.

I believe you are correct.
We had been working about 45 minutes, and he hadn't gotten a reward yet.
Normally training is within the first 5-10 minutes he gets a reward.

So, I think he defaulted to any sulfide smell. "Trigger and I'll get a reward."
I will have to change the reward routine to when I uncover the object, and as you said, If it's correct. He gets the reward. else, no reward.

Good catch on the faulty training.
He was being smarter than me, which isn't that hard.
🤪

 

[dowser]

I believe you are correct.
We had been working about 45 minutes, and he hadn't gotten a reward yet.
Normally training is within the first 5-10 minutes he gets a reward.

So, I think he defaulted to any sulfide smell. "Trigger and I'll get a reward."
I will have to change the reward routine to when I uncover the object, and as you said, If it's correct. He gets the reward. else, no reward.

Good catch on the faulty training.
He was being smarter than me, which isn't that hard.
🤪

I don't have a pet..
But I'm a firm believer in an enhanced field. A closer connection to the quantum side..
I would try 13.5 khz, before I gave up..

 

[dowser]

I don't have a pet..
But I'm a firm believer in an enhanced field. A closer connection to the quantum side..
I would try 13.5 khz, before I gave up..

That's a enhanced everything Frequency, run it within 50 ft.
Then I would try a Gold frequency, running in the background like 13555 Hz.
Try a generator with audio, a dog can hear up to 60,000 Hz..

 

[dowser]

That's a enhanced everything Frequency, run it within 50 ft.
Then I would try a Gold frequency, running in the background like 13555 Hz.
Try a generator with audio, a dog can hear up to 60,000 Hz..

If possible a piezo buzzer at 3.025 khz.

 

[achanceforgold]

If possible a piezo buzzer at 3.025 khz.

I'm sorry Mr. Dowser,

Are you saying I should have some sort of frequency generator running when the dog is metal detecting?

 

[dowser]

I'm sorry Mr. Dowser,

Are you saying I should have some sort of frequency generator running when the dog is metal detecting?

I'm suggesting opinions on how to teach your Dog to recognize a frequency.
Electronics taught me to Dowse, because of the enhancement abilities, and I no longer need to use them..
My most sensitive frequency reception rods, are Bloodwood handles.
The dog has to learn to sense a frequency, just like I did, but yes, run it, for teaching!

 

[achanceforgold]

I'm suggesting opinions on how to teach your Dog to recognize a frequency.
Electronics taught me to Dowse, because of the enhancement abilities, and I no longer need to use them..
My most sensitive frequency reception rods, are Bloodwood handles.
The dog has to learn to sense a frequency, just like I did, but yes, run it..

okay, now I understand you.
Use those frequencies to get the dog attuned to them.

 

[dowser]

achanceforgold, I don't have a detector to run a test, but I am curious if the Frequencies they use, can be directed with Styrofoam.
I wonder if a coil is covered with 2 inch Styrofoam, will the frequency used, be directed down only, thus increasing depth reception?
The Frequencies I use, can be directed, why not those.