dfg Emergency dredging definition approved

[dredgeman]

cdfg Emergency dredging definition approved


Friday evening the Office of Administrative Law approved the new EMERGENCY definition of a dredge.

This effectively shuts down any suction of material (WATER) from any river.

Thru the CDFW Highbanking, dredging or any type of pump is now banned.

Calif Department Fish Wildlife working on Yellow legged frog next.

 

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[Oakview2]

http://www.oal.ca.gov/res/docs/pdf/emergencies/recent%20action,%20moved%20emergencies/2013-0618-02E_App.pdf

It does expire 12/27/13, pray for injunctive relief in the San Bernadino cases on 7/24/13

 

[Hefty1]

Well... see ya all in court....FM

 

[Oakview2]

and feed em beans, and save seven for the pall bearers

 

[dredgeman]

Bar b q after the court cases are done.

hit it or quit it.

 

[Hoser John]

CAN YA'ALL FELL THE LUV?? CANCER FROM THE KLAMATH NOW COMPLETED THE DEATH OF THE BODY OF DREDGING-NO YAA TODAY-F'M' ALL-JOHN

 

[russau]

Friday evening the Office of Administrative Law approved the new EMERGENCY definition of a dredge.

This effectively shuts down any suction of material (WATER) from any river.

HMMMMMMMMMM?? does that include irrigation for farmers?what about fire fighters, and what about sucking water out of "any" stream for the cities drinking water supply?? this could come back and bite them in the pocket book!or better yet, thier jobs!!

 

[dredgeman]

The definition specifically targets suction systems for mineral extraction only.

NO efficient, environmentally sound mining that allows production.

Read the dfw letter in response to the responses. They praise the water board letter, the environmental groups for providing the evidence . They only site new 49ers and Buchal letters as the opposition.

What a bleeeeeeeeeeeeep wonderful, honest and trustworthy stewards that roam the government halls.

 

[Goldwasher]

Water is not material?

 

[dredgeman]

Water is not material?

For all that say water is not material. GEEZ pull heads out of the sand.

What did you drink today? nothing?. I can cut steel with not a material. 2/3 of the globe is covered in what? What are the farmers fighting for? How is the state of KA being shut down, control of What? WATER, WATER, WATER, WATER

The material can be the Algae in the water, Bacteria in the water. Sand in a foot valve when HBing.
The old definition said gravel. The new says material from a river for mineral extraction. This shuts down MINING.

 

[Gravel Hog]

Classic, knew it was coming since April 2012... CDFG/CDFW can blow!

 

[Hefty1]

NOW! They are breaking and interfearing with Federal Law.

 

[chlsbrns]

Water isn't material. Water is a river, lake or stream. "to vacuum material from a river, stream or lake"

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The legislature and Governor have enacted SB 1018. A part of this legislation applies to suction dredge mining.

The law requires the California Department of Fish and Wildlife to report to the legislature on suggested legislative changes and a fee structure, among other requirements. The previously established date of June 30, 2016 for the current moratorium on suction dredge mining to end has been removed from law. Suction dredging, including the method known as “booming”, is prohibited within 100 yardsof any California river, stream or lake (Fish & G. Code, § 5653 subd. (d).).

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You need water to boom and booming is allowed farther than 100 yards so go 100 yards & 1 inch.

Unless of course water is material until it is more than 100 yards from the river.

 

[dredgeman]

Water isn't material. Water is a river, lake or stream. "to vacuum material from a river, stream or lake"

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The legislature and Governor have enacted SB 1018. A part of this legislation applies to suction dredge mining.

The law requires the California Department of Fish and Wildlife to report to the legislature on suggested legislative changes and a fee structure, among other requirements. The previously established date of June 30, 2016 for the current moratorium on suction dredge mining to end has been removed from law. Suction dredging, including the method known as “booming”, is prohibited within 100 yardsof any California river, stream or lake (Fish & G. Code, § 5653 subd. (d).).

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You need water to boom and booming is allowed farther than 100 yards so go 100 yards & 1 inch.

Unless of course water is material until it is more than 100 yards from the river.

You have to get the initial water for your hole from somewhere.
Ok you win.
Dredging is not illegal. There is a moratorium on certain kinds of dredging.

A river lake or stream is made up from what materials. Sand, gravel, bio matter, dihydrogen oxide, bugs, bacteria etc.

When booming you will have to pump water from a source. What material will you need to go booming. Now separate everything else out that is not water and go ahead.

If while booming you suck up sand into your footvalve from the river stream or lake you get a ticket
If while booming you suck up a bug thru your water supply from the river you get ?
If while booming you suck up a leaf thru your water supply from the river you get ?

Same for any pump for mineral extraction. Argue all you want water is a material. try living without it.

 

[dredgeman]

Hefty
This qualifies as a prohibition, does it not.

I just do not feel gently regulated for a while now

 

[chlsbrns]

You have to get the initial water for your hole from somewhere.
Ok you win.
Dredging is not illegal. There is a moratorium on certain kinds of dredging.

A river lake or stream is made up from what materials. Sand, gravel, bio matter, dihydrogen oxide, bugs, bacteria etc.

When booming you will have to pump water from a source. What material will you need to go booming. Now separate everything else out that is not water and go ahead.

If while booming you suck up sand into your footvalve from the river stream or lake you get a ticket
If while booming you suck up a bug thru your water supply from the river you get ?
If while booming you suck up a leaf thru your water supply from the river you get ?

Same for any pump for mineral extraction. Argue all you want water is a material. try living without it.

I doubt they could make an argument for bio matter, bugs, bacteria, ect containing minerals that a prospector would want to extract. "to vacuum material for the extraction of minerals"

"Material" was in the original definition. "Material" was not amended. If water was material there would have been no need to amend/change the definition. It would have already been illegal to vacuum water.

In addition, gold is not a mineral it is a chemical element or metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

 

[dredgeman]

I doubt they care what we think.

2 years before they put in place the dredge moratorium, everyone told me they could never ban dredging. Well we know how that turned out. Everyone doubted they could do it.

Now even though courts have said rivers cant pollute rivers and studies have said that the fish is safe and ok in the sierra. The agencies and enviro groups continue to say we are a threat just for being there.

If you do some research you will find that the usfs is trying to bring back the mechanized device definition. So they are already attacking panning and sluicing.

They are already moving on while you try to not get a ticket for pumping water. We are out mining in the sierras and just repeating what some rangers are telling us.

So doubt it. Reason and logic do not matter to some who think they are in control of what you can do.

Read what center for biological diversity or the sierra fund want on there websites. It does not include you unless you donate.

The original dredge rules (long time ago) used the word gravel. You are looking at the most recent and as yet unapproved NEW rules. Which are already being manipulated before they are in place.

They will become the approved set of rules when the legislature approves a fee structure to complete the process.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

Suction Dredge Permitting Program - California Department of Fish and Wildlife

Under the new regulation, the use of any vacuum or suction dredge equipment (i.e., suction dredging) is defined as the use of a suction system to vacuum material from a river, stream or lake for the extraction of minerals. (Cal. Code Regs., tit. 14, § 228, subd. (a), effective June 28, 2013.)

for the extraction of minerals.

 

[chlsbrns]

Suction Dredge Permitting Program - California Department of Fish and Wildlife

Under the new regulation, the use of any vacuum or suction dredge equipment (i.e., suction dredging) is defined as the use of a suction system to vacuum material from a river, stream or lake for the extraction of minerals. (Cal. Code Regs., tit. 14, § 228, subd. (a), effective June 28, 2013.)

for the extraction of minerals.

Yes Minerals. Gold is not a mineral it is a chemical element or metal.

Chemical element - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[dredgeman]

Yes Minerals. Gold is not a mineral it is a chemical element or metal.

Chemical element - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Native element minerals are those elements that occur in nature in uncombined form with a distinct mineral structure. The elemental class includes metals and intermetallic elements, semi-metals and non-metals. This group also includes natural alloys, phosphides, silicides, nitrides and carbides.

There are 32 elements (18 metals, 5 nonmetals and gases) that can be found in nature in their elemental form. Metals give a metallic luster on their polished sides, as do some nonmetal and semimetal minerals.






Native sulfur







Diamond







Native copper







Native gold







Native silver


Nickel–Strunz Classification -01- Native elements[edit]

IMA-CNMNC proposes a new hierarchical scheme (Mills et al., 2009). This list uses the Classification of Nickel–Strunz (mindat.org, 10 ed, pending publication).
Abbreviations: "*" - discredited (IMA/CNMNC status).
"?" - questionable/doubtful (IMA/CNMNC status).
"REE" - Rare-earth element (Sc, Y, La, Ce, Pr, Nd, Pm, Sm, Eu, Gd, Tb, Dy, Ho, Er, Tm, Yb, Lu)
"PGE" - Platinum-group element (Ru, Rh, Pd, Os, Ir, Pt)
03.C Aluminofluorides, 06 Borates, 08 Vanadates (04.H V[5,6] Vanadates), 09 Silicates: Neso: insular (from Greek νησος nēsos, island)
Soro: grouping (from Greek σωροῦ sōros, heap, mound (especially of corn))
Cyclo: ring
Ino: chain (from Greek ις [genitive: ινος inos], fibre)
Phyllo: sheet (from Greek φύλλον phyllon, leaf)
Tecto: three-dimensional framework


Nickel–Strunz code scheme: NN.XY.##x NN: Nickel–Strunz mineral class number
X: Nickel–Strunz mineral division letter
Y: Nickel–Strunz mineral family letter
##x: Nickel–Strunz mineral/group number, x add-on letter


Class: native elements[edit]
01.A Metals and Intermetallic Alloys 01.AA Copper-cupalite family: 05 Native copper, 05 Lead, 05 Native gold, 05 Native silver, 05 Nickel, 05 Aluminium; 10a Auricupride, 10b Tetra-auricupride; 15 Novodneprite, 15 Khatyrkite, 15 Anyuiite; 20 Cupalite, 25 Hunchunite
01.AB Zinc-brass family (Cu-Zn alloys): 05 Cadmium, 05 Zinc, 05 Titanium*, 05 Rhenium*; 10a Brass*, 10a Zhanghengite, 10b Danbaite, 10b Tongxinite*
01.AC Indium-tin family: 05 Indium, 10 Tin; 15 Yuanjiangite, 15 Sorosite
01.AD Mercury-amalgam family: 00 Amalgam*, 05 Mercury; 10 Belendorffite, 10 Kolymite; 15a Paraschachnerite, 15a Schachnerite, 15b Luanheite, 15c Eugenite, 15d Moschellandsbergite; 20a Weishanite, 20b Goldamalgam*; 25 Potarite, 30 Leadamalgam
01.AE Iron-chromium family: 05 Kamacite? (Iron var.), 05 Iron, 05 Chromium; 10 Antitaenite*, 10 Taenite, 10 Tetrataenite; 15 Chromferide, 15 Wairauite, 15 Ferchromide; 20 Awaruite, 25 Jedwabite
01.AF Platinum-group elements: 05 Osmium, 05 Rutheniridosmine, 05 Ruthenium; 10 Palladium, 10 Iridium, 10 Rhodium, 10 Platinum
01.AG PGE-metal alloys: 05 Garutiite, 05 Hexaferrum; 10 Atokite, 10 Zvyagintsevite, 10 Rustenburgite; 15 Taimyrite, 15 Tatyanaite; 20 Paolovite; 25 Plumbopalladinite, 25 Stannopalladinite; 30 Cabriite; 35 Chengdeite, 35 Isoferroplatinum; 40 Ferronickelplatinum, 40 Tetraferroplatinum, 40 Tulameenite; 45 Hongshiite*, 45 Skaergaardite; 50 Yixunite, 55 Damiaoite, 60 Niggliite, 65 Bortnikovite, 70 Nielsenite

01.B Metallic Carbides, Silicides, Nitrides and Phosphides 01.BA Carbides: 05 Cohenite; 10 Isovite, 10 Haxonite; 15 Tongbaite; 20 Khamrabaevite, 20 Niobocarbide, 20 Tantalcarbide; 25 Qusongite, 30 Yarlongite
01.BB Silicides: Zangboite; 05 Mavlyanovite, 05 Suessite; 10 Perryite, 15 Fersilicite*, 20 Ferdisilicite*, 25 Luobusaite, 30 Gupeiite, 35 Hapkeite, 40 Xifengite
01.BC Nitrides: 05 Roaldite, 10 Siderazot, 15 Carlsbergite, 15 Osbornite
01.BD Phosphides: 05 Schreibersite, 05 Nickelphosphide; 10 Barringerite, 10 Monipite; 15 Allabogdanite, 15 Florenskyite, 15 Andreyivanovite; 20 Melliniite

01.C Metalloids and Nonmetals 01.CA Arsenic group elements: 05 Bismuth, 05 Antimony, 05 Arsenic, 05 Stibarsen; 10 Arsenolamprite, 10 Pararsenolamprite; 15 Paradocrasite
01.CB Carbon-silicon family: 05a Graphite, 05b Chaoite, 05c Fullerite; 10a Diamond, 10b Lonsdaleite, 15 Silicon
01.CC Sulfur-selenium-iodine: 05 Sulfur, 05 Rosickyite; 10 Tellurium, 10 Selenium

01.D Nonmetallic Carbides and Nitrides 01.DA Nonmetallic carbides: 05 Moissanite
01.DB Nonmetallic nitrides: 05 Nierite, 10 Sinoite

01.X Unclassified Strunz Elements (Metals and intermetallic alloys; metalloids and nonmetals; carbides, silicides, nitrides, phosphides) 01.XX Unknown: 00 Hexamolybdenum, 00 Tantalum*, 00 Brownleeite


References[edit]


Stuart J. Mills, Frédéric Hatert, Ernest H. Nickel, and Giovanni Ferraris (2009). "The standardisation of mineral group hierarchies: application to recent nomenclature proposals". Eur. J. Mineral. 21: 1073–1080. doi:10.1127/0935-1221/2009/0021-1994.
Nickel, Ernest H.; Nichols, Monte C. (March 2009). "IMA-CNMNC List of Mineral Names". IMA-CNMNC.
Ferraiolo, Jim. "Nickel–Strunz (Version 10) Classification System". webmineral.com.
Mineralsystematik nach Strunz 9. Auflage von 2001 (aktuell)
Hr. Dr. Udo Neumann der Uni-Tuebingen (Systematik der Minerale)


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