Did the FBI find $600M in Civil War Gold in Pa. Forest ?

[Treasure_Hunter]

Bradd, say good bye.

 

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[tinpan]

Hi , Can someone please post legal changes made to The Antiquity Act 1906 that gives the FBI legal right to control this situation ?

TP

 

[Worm-Slicer]

The lawyers are ALWAYS the winners...PERIOD. So no need to even worry if there was a treasure or not.

 

[tinpan]

Hi , The images of the FBI merely show that they where present at the site at Dents Run and clearly show nothing else . If you think these would be presented in court of law as evidence to moving a large quantity of gold you might be in for a big shock. TP

 

[tinpan]

Hi Anyone can also purchase FBI uniforms and look like accessories on line . So real or just a condured fabrication for a production set . Add some sort of conspiracy theory makes a good sales pitch . Yet not an oz of gold in 17 years . TP

 

[tinpan]

Hi The largest quantity of gold that was ever moved in wagons under armed protection then loaded onto 2 English ships The Dido and The Eagle is clearly recorded sailing up the River Thames in London in 1853 . Gold escorts is rather a story from another country . Want to see how documents there are . TP

 

[smokeythecat]

So, a lawyer files some court papers. Like I care? This could take decades folks.

 

[pepperj]

I have sat back and looked over the countless back and forth on this tired, yet I haven't seen any actual proof.

Sure there was a tent, machine, folks wondering around, dirt disturbed, but no shiny.

Well except for the shiny claims of crooked enforcement, selling, and countless claims that huge number that were involved that were all in cahoots.

I was told this by somebody once (that was very good at what they did in life.)
"If you do anything in life do it by yourself or one other person".
Reason being: "Because if you're caught for it, it was because you, or the other person opened your pie hole up.
If there are more than 2 -then you'll never be certain who said what"

There's a lot of truth to that statement in many ways as the more you have in the "Circle of knowing" the less chance it will be kept a secret for long.
Speculation that it was even found, speculation it was taken, speculation purely for nothing else except the financial gain by one or two for the rights of a production.

 

[GoDeep]

I have a question for FindersKeepers, what will you consider to be sufficient proof that the FBI never recovered anything as they claim? When/if the file gets unsealed and if there is no indication of any gold being found, will that satisfy you? Or will it just morph into another theory about, for example, how the FBI or "big brother" deleted the files prior to it being unsealed?

I ask, because if you are convinced it was found, there will never be a satisfactory resolution to this that doesn't fulfill your belief, no matter what evidence (or lack there of) is uncovered.

 

[FinderKeeper]

I will try to answer some questions and set things straight.

1, The Radar was not the only tool we used we had many companys at this site and even the FBI brought in Enviroscan and if that was not enough, we core drilled 21 holes at the site and hit GOLD. Why do you think the FBI brought in 70 agents and the army. They do not do this for a small find. They knew 100% what they were going after.
2, When you say Police , DCNR , backhoe operator and other people were on site . That DID NOT Happen , only the FBI were on site during the night dig. The backhoe worker went home and so did everyone at 3:30PM . The FBI came back at 7PM and started digging until 2AM. They had their own backhoe operator to dig all night and at 7am when the owner of the backhoe came to work the FBI made him fill in all the digging they did so everything looked like it did when we all left. It was after they dug all night is when the 1st 2 armored trucks came in at 8:30am and the 2 nd set of armored trucks came in at 5:30 and they shut down all roads into Dents Run and no one was allowed out of their homes, WHY, because they were loading the 2 armored trucks from the green tent.
3, And this about a BOND , ya they offered us a BOND but no one would do the bond, WHY, because it had NO TIME ENDING, DCNR could hold the $500 thousand for many years. We told this many times but some just don't get it'
4, Some think we are doing this for a TV show, hell a TV show would not pay the bills I paid to lawyers . NO we are doing so the TRUTH COMES OUT. were did all the $600 to $800 million go . The FBI told us this was the biggest find in our history .
5, Then after 2 years and 8 court battles we got the courts to let us look at the WARRENT , BUT ITS MISSING NOW, NO ONE CAN FIND IT, Talking about a COVER UP , YOU have no idea what been going on . Every thing we are doing is to help other treasure hunters when they run into something like this.
6, WHY did we call in the FBI, we have many sites ready to dig up and we picked this one to see how the FEDS and DCNR would work with us . We knew this could happen and thats why we had MANY TRAIL CAMS HIDDEN ON SITE. we got over 9,000 pictures and video. and we got a lot more, Ye we have enough for Federal Court.
7, We are about to do another dig this summer and again it will involve the FBI and DCNR but this time things will be our way.
Its been a long 3 yrs and things are ending soon. Then we will see who on this site was wrong and who was right.

 

[GoDeep]

I will try to answer some questions and set things straight.

1, The Radar was not the only tool we used we had many companys at this site and even the FBI brought in Enviroscan and if that was not enough, we core drilled 21 holes at the site and hit GOLD.

-Thank you for taking the time to answer some questions. I have some follow up questions. Though i've seen the core sample video (or were they pictures, i can't recall), the viewer can't make out that any gold was hit as they were like old 240p resolution. Did you have it analyzed and do you have any better pictures of the gold and core sampling we the reader can see?

Why do you think the FBI brought in 70 agents and the army. They do not do this for a small find. They knew 100% what they were going after.

-I saw the trail cam pictures that were posted and the most FBI agents i ever saw was about 13 as i recall and it was previously claimed 50 agents were there, but now it is claimed 70 agents were there? Have you come across new information that indicates more were there then originally reported? Also, the Army was the there? I don't recall the Army being mentioned as there in previous postings or seeing in Army personnel in the pictures, but i could be wrong, my memory is a bit vague after a few years since the original postings.

When you say Police , DCNR , backhoe operator and other people were on site . That DID NOT Happen , only the FBI were on site during the night dig. The backhoe worker went home and so did everyone at 3:30PM . The FBI came back at 7PM and started digging until 2AM. They had their own backhoe operator to dig all night

-But this begs the question, if you weren't there, how would you know only FBI was at the site? You previously said you weren't allowed at the site after the digging started so you would have no way to know if some DNR or Sheriffs deputies stayed or even came back later. It's very plausible and you'd have no way of knowing who was there as the file is still sealed.

The FBI told us this was the biggest find in our history

-So they told you they did find it or they told you "if we find it, it will be the biggest find in our history" Context is very important to the meaning of this statement.

5, Then after 2 years and 8 court battles we got the courts to let us look at the WARRENT , BUT ITS MISSING NOW, NO ONE CAN FIND IT, Talking about a COVER UP , YOU have no idea what been going on

-I saw the original petition to get the PA DCNR to honor the right to know release information, but didn't realize you had any other cases going on. I looked for them and can't find anything, what were you petitioning the court for in these other cases?

-The latest news article you linked to only indicates you uncovered the name of the magistrate and will be bringing a motion to unseal the file, but that hasn't been filed yet, yet you say "it's missing now, no one can find it" What can't they find? You haven't even motioned yet to unseal the file to see if anything is missing?

 

[FinderKeeper]

-Thank you for taking the time to answer some questions. I have some follow up questions. Though i've seen the core sample video (or were they pictures, i can't recall), the viewer can't make out that any gold was hit as they were like old 240p resolution. Did you have it analyzed and do you have any better pictures of the gold and core sampling we the reader can see?

DCNR was called on site from Harrisburg to look at the 3/4" drill bit, They saw the gold but said we could of faked it because it was a small amount. Thats when I asked if we could use a 3" core bit to get a big chunk and they said OK. I told them I would shut down 7 days until I had them made up. They saw the spot were I hit gold. 4 days later I returned to the site to see someone had dug my entire area up. NO ONE knew were we hit gold or when we would return to drill. We were told it was DCNR workers doing the dig. So we called the police and DCNR made us move out. There is a lot more to this story we still can not talk about but the story will come out. I like the agents at the FBI and DCNR workers and Rangers . Its the people in Harrisburg and Pittsburg that give them the orders is were we have major problems.

-I saw the trail cam pictures that were posted and the most FBI agents i ever saw was about 13 as i recall and it was previously claimed 50 agents were there, but now it is claimed 70 agents were there? Have you come across new information that indicates more were there then originally reported? Also, the Army was the there? I don't recall the Army being mentioned as there in previous postings or seeing in Army personnel in the pictures, but i could be wrong, my memory is a bit vague after a few years since the original postings.

I posted 1 picture that had 29 FBI agents in it alone, the FBI took over a motel in Dubois and they told me they used 70 rooms. The motel had to vacate everyone and move them to a local motel. We counted each day on site 35 SUV's from all over the states. There was agents all over the mountain 24/7, then agents in the 2 Convoys. The Army stayed at Sheetz in Falls Creek for 9 hrs , 4 army hummers, 4 armored trucks, and a crain truck. We know the time and place they went. Many people from the area told what they saw and its all on record.



-But this begs the question, if you weren't there, how would you know only FBI was at the site? You previously said you weren't allowed at the site after the digging started so you would have no way to know if some DNR or Sheriffs deputies stayed or even came back later. It's very plausible and you'd have no way of knowing who was there as the file is still sealed.

I set in our car for 6hrs each day and DCNR was behind us setting to . We saw everything that went on around the FBI Tent , no one went up that hill during the day time unless it was the FBI. They did let us and DCNR up for 1 hr at the end of each day . The hired back hoe worker was told not to talk to anyone about the dig or else. We were told not to talk about the dig until the investigation ends. Well they say the investigation is still on going 3 yr's later. We asked for the investigation so we did not want to mess things up so we stayed quiet.



-So they told you they did find it or they told you "if we find it, it will be the biggest find in our history" Context is very important to the meaning of this statement.

They never told us Yes or NO , they would not answer that question. Our lawyer asked them 3 days after the dig , and again they would not answer YES or NO.



-I saw the original petition to get the PA DCNR to honor the right to know release information, but didn't realize you had any other cases going on. I looked for them and can't find anything, what were you petitioning the court for in these other cases?

Emails from the FBI to DCNR , and the warrant , and a few other things. We are allowed to view the emails but can not post or show them or talk about whats in them. DCNR is doing everything to hide info from us and we know why. They are the ones we had the FBI investigate. Thats all I will say for now.

-The latest news article you linked to only indicates you uncovered the name of the magistrate and will be bringing a motion to unseal the file, but that hasn't been filed yet, yet you say "it's missing now, no one can find it" What can't they find? You haven't even motioned yet to unseal the file to see if anything is missing?

We will have more info by Monday , the warrant numbers that DCNR gave the courts do not show a file. The Fed Judge said he does not remember doing the warrant , its been 3yrs. The courts want us to ask The Attorney General Office for the numbers , ITs just another STULL they been using to slow this case down.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Dear Mr. Cluck:


In response to your inquiry, I have spoken to the Judge, and neither of us have a recollection of the seizure warrant you reference in your email. The number you reference appears to be a "Magistrate number" which would be assigned by the Clerk's office to warrants, although the format is usually year-case number-"M," so the number you mentioned would be 18-xx2-M. My search of the ECF docket did not turn up anything corresponding to what you are looking for, however, using that number.


You may wish to contact the United States Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania for further information.


Regards,


xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Law Clerk to the Hon. xxxxxx xxxxxx






I had to XXXX things out , Not sure if I could post this email.

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[GoDeep]

Dear Mr. Cluck:


In response to your inquiry, I have spoken to the Judge, and neither of us have a recollection of the seizure warrant you reference in your email. The number you reference appears to be a "Magistrate number" which would be assigned by the Clerk's office to warrants, although the format is usually year-case number-"M," so the number you mentioned would be 18-xx2-M. My search of the ECF docket did not turn up anything corresponding to what you are looking for, however, using that number.


You may wish to contact the United States Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania for further information.


Regards,


xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Law Clerk to the Hon. xxxxxx xxxxxx






I had to XXXX things out , Not sure if I could post this email.

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I read that in plain English as "the number you gave us isn't correct, the number you gave is for a magistrate, not a case number" Do you also believe the Court systems are also in on an alleged "cover-up"?

 

[FinderKeeper]

I read that in plain English as "the number you gave us isn't correct, the number you gave is for a magistrate, not a case number" Do you also believe the Court systems are also in on an alleged "cover-up"?

No, I think DCNR gave the courts the wrong number to stull. This is not the first time they did this. I think DCNR is doing a cover up to hide info.

 

[GoDeep]

No, I think DCNR gave the courts the wrong number to stull. This is not the first time they did this. I think DCNR is doing a cover up to hide info.

A number for a warrant? Upon who was this warrant served? What was the warrant for?

Edit: I see it's a "seizure warrant". What was being seized through a warrant?

 

[pepperj]

Did the FBI find $400M in Civil War gold in a Pa. forest? Harrisburg lawyer says he has new clue in the case - pennlive.com

Our Lawyer is working with a bigger law firm now to get ready to take our case to Federal Court. Its been 3 yrs since the FBI dug at Dents Run and we been in many court battles and now we have the info we need to bring this hunt to its end and the truth will come out.
We were in court 8 times in 2yrs trying to get info from DCNR's files . They did everything to stull each case. What is it they are hiding . We know what it is but we need to prove it before we head to Federal Court. There is a lot more to this case than anyone knows and a lot of people could end up in jail. You know the term FAKE NEWS and thats what the FBI does best. We beat the FBI in court and they must give us everything in their files but they said it will take 3 yrs to get it ready. They have 2,370 pages, 7 hrs of video , and hundreds of photos in the main file, there is a lot more in the sub file . If we ask for just part of the files like 50 pages they can give it to us in a few months. We want everything in the files, so if we can get the Federal Court to speed them up GOOD. We have enough now to go to court but it would help our case if we had their files.

I will try to answer some questions and set things straight.

1, The Radar was not the only tool we used we had many companys at this site and even the FBI brought in Enviroscan and if that was not enough, we core drilled 21 holes at the site and hit GOLD. Why do you think the FBI brought in 70 agents and the army. They do not do this for a small find. They knew 100% what they were going after.
2, When you say Police , DCNR , backhoe operator and other people were on site . That DID NOT Happen , only the FBI were on site during the night dig. The backhoe worker went home and so did everyone at 3:30PM . The FBI came back at 7PM and started digging until 2AM. They had their own backhoe operator to dig all night and at 7am when the owner of the backhoe came to work the FBI made him fill in all the digging they did so everything looked like it did when we all left. It was after they dug all night is when the 1st 2 armored trucks came in at 8:30am and the 2 nd set of armored trucks came in at 5:30 and they shut down all roads into Dents Run and no one was allowed out of their homes, WHY, because they were loading the 2 armored trucks from the green tent.
3, And this about a BOND , ya they offered us a BOND but no one would do the bond, WHY, because it had NO TIME ENDING, DCNR could hold the $500 thousand for many years. We told this many times but some just don't get it'
4, Some think we are doing this for a TV show, hell a TV show would not pay the bills I paid to lawyers . NO we are doing so the TRUTH COMES OUT. were did all the $600 to $800 million go . The FBI told us this was the biggest find in our history .
5, Then after 2 years and 8 court battles we got the courts to let us look at the WARRENT , BUT ITS MISSING NOW, NO ONE CAN FIND IT, Talking about a COVER UP , YOU have no idea what been going on . Every thing we are doing is to help other treasure hunters when they run into something like this.
6, WHY did we call in the FBI, we have many sites ready to dig up and we picked this one to see how the FEDS and DCNR would work with us . We knew this could happen and thats why we had MANY TRAIL CAMS HIDDEN ON SITE. we got over 9,000 pictures and video. and we got a lot more, Ye we have enough for Federal Court.
7, We are about to do another dig this summer and again it will involve the FBI and DCNR but this time things will be our way.
Its been a long 3 yrs and things are ending soon. Then we will see who on this site was wrong and who was right.

Is it possible that as time goes on things get more inflated?

Example just with this new information alert (stoke the readership )

I see the figures $400/$600/$800 Million being used as a number/value of this claim.

I see the inflated number of agents

I see now as GoDeep pointed out now the army was on site.

9000 pictures

Core samples "we core drilled 21 holes at the site and hit GOLD" -but where are the analysis reports and photos?

Pictures tell a thousand words as they say-I will say this from a very common layman digging dirt is if I drilled 21 holes with a diamond drill and just 1 or 21 came up with gold impacted in the sample I'd be taking a picture and video till that memory card was full. Yet not a single one of the drill bit sample has ever been shown.

I'm going with an example of wee bicycle tube put on the end of the air pump, the plunger just keeps inflating the wee tube, and most know the result because there is only one result.

 

[3cylbill]

Why wouldn't the fbi let Finders Keepers watch the dig. ? Why did the fbi wait until dark to dig ? Why did they need dozens of armed guards ?why did they need two armored cars and a crane ? Please explain...

 

[NewAge]

I said in the past not bonding the site when it was offered was a huge mistake.

Previously you had posted the bond amount was 10k..... now it is 500k.So I have no idea what the actual amount is now.You have been consistent the reason you couldn't get an insurance company to write the policy was because it had no end date.10-30k would be par for the course at that time.

The no end date would have sure come in handy the way things played out.

#1 ...... You were not allowed on site during the dig.This would not have happened if your were under bond as the operator of the site.

#2 .......Being the operator of the site would give you a vested intrest of anything that happened.....the way it is now I have as much right to any information as you do.

#3 ...... The money you have spent on lawyers and court filings would have been better spent on the bond at this point.

If I knew for sure there was gold buried on State ground and offered a bond for that site.I would have gotten the money even if I had to take partners or raise funding.I would have been overjoyed if there was no end date and just sat on it even if I was unable to proceed with my own exploration.

You could have restored the site especially since all you wanted to do was pound copper rods for pocket change.And fought it out and easily won in court if you wanted to end the bond and DCNR would not release it.

Risk vs reward.....of course this would all be dependent on your belief there was gold on the site.Your refusal to invest money(ie... bond the site) will be portrayed that you actually didnt think there was gold on the site and were looking to make a profit on this site some other way.

FWIW ...I do believe you thought there was gold here but I am just explaining what very well may happen when/if you get to present your case in court and the repercussions of not securing a bond.....and the ramifications it will have in front of a judge.You have to think 2 steps ahead of agencies that deal with these types of deals all the times because they know all the tricks to make things go their way.

You got some very bad legal advice on this subject and it appears that is still continuing with the document you just posted and the petitioner not knowing which docket number to reference when filling.

I myself made a huge mistake many years ago regarding bonded property.I had a chance to buy up alot of property that had been strip mined for 40$ an acre but it came with the environmental bond that had not been fully released and had 10 years left until complete......Risk vs reward and I couldn't think of any reward that out weighed the risk....a few years ago when the gas companies were paying 1200$ an acre for a lease,I was able to see the reward but it was far too late by then.

 

[NewAge]

Why wouldn't the fbi let Finders Keepers watch the dig. ? Why did the fbi wait until dark to dig ? Why did they need dozens of armed guards ?why did they need two armored cars and a crane ? Please explain...

1......answered above

2..... they didnt...the only photo shown so far that has no time stamp but appears to be taken at dusk.Was of the mini excavator backfilling the site,not excavating further.

3.....not sure but the FBI always secures a site in which they are investigating and they are always armed.

4...were there any?...as far as I have seen there was a stock photo of an armored truck that was similar to one that was reported to be seen at a store.A Sheetz if I remember correctly.I saw an armored truck at a Sheetz in State College yesterday does that mean it was transporting a secret gold recovery?