Different types of dowsing

[ClonedSIM]

Hey Tom…There is nothing wrong with the talent you have…It is what makes you different from the next guy. I read a lot of the Metal Detector post and I see that some people find a lot more treasure than others. Why does this happen. Simple. They don’t waste their time searching in the wrong places. Call the talent any thing that you want to it is just using your common sense…It has been suggested many times on here that I should go to places where there is no history of gold and try locating it….My answer is always “why”…..Use your research and pick the spot that you think the object will be. My kids think I can smell gold. I know how mother nature moves gold and where it most likely to be hiding. Tell me if I am wrong…When your treasure is in your pocket do you care how it got there ?....Art

And so Art has just admitted that his dowsing is nothing more than knowing where to look for treasure, and then going to that spot and pinpointing with a metal detector. Thanks for clearing all that up.

 

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[aarthrj3811]

And so Art has just admitted that his dowsing is nothing more than knowing where to look for treasure, and then going to that spot and pinpointing with a metal detector. Thanks for clearing all that up.

Did I say anything about my using a Metal Detector? Your right …It is quite clear…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

And so Art has just admitted that his dowsing is nothing more than knowing where to look for treasure, and then going to that spot and pinpointing with a metal detector. Thanks for clearing all that up.

Did I say anything about my using a Metal Detector? Your right …It is quite clear…Art

You have in the past.

Did you forget that, too?

You use a metal detector to "pinpoint" your dowsed treasures.

It just so happens, conveniently, that the treasures you "dowse" are in the same places any guy with a metal detector would also think to look.

So let's break it down.

You go to an area that you've researched where one would expect to find some type of treasure, dowse an area, then break out the detector to "pinpoint" the treasure. Lo and behold! The detector beeps, you dig up something, and give the credit to dowsing!

That about right?

 

[aarthrj3811]

You use a metal detector to "pinpoint" your dowsed treasures.

Could you please tell me where this post is?

You go to an area that you've researched where one would expect to find some type of treasure, dowse an area, then break out the detector to "pinpoint" the treasure. Lo and behold! The detector beeps, you dig up something, and give the credit to dowsing!

I know for a fact that is not the way I Dowse….So please tell me where these statements are….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Quote from Art on Dec. 8, 2006
Thread – My Dowsing Test
I own a metal detector for use when I need it. I used it yesterday...I now know that there is some silver at this one spot. The target is more than a foot deep and it beeped for me so I am assuming that there is a lot of silver down there.....Art

Quote from Art on Jan 21, 2006
Thread – Gold Bars
At the end of two days my Dowsing Rods and a Two Box Detector told me that the Bars were not on the property.

Quote from Art on Oct 15, 2007
Thread – Guest Poster
How can you compare a rod and the electrical system of a Metal Detector? I happen to Treasure Hunt with both....

Quote from Art on Oct 6, 2007
Thread – I Tried It
I carry a metal detector most of the time. I now have a two box with me that is also one of my tools.

Quote from Art on Oct 23, 2007
Thread - ??
I can’t say that I have never dug any coins or gold found with a metal detector. I have dug a lot of coins using a metal detector.

AND

I sometimes use a metal detector in my deeper holes so I can widen the hole if I am not digging straight down. Art

AND

Your chances of successes with a metal detector are the same as the chances for a set of dowsing rods…
(Okay, so not a quote saying you own a detector, but where you say detectors and rods have equal chances of finding treasure.)


Quote from Art on Oct 23, 2007
Thread – How to Mark an Object
A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if anything remains in the square.

As you can see, the last statement is perhaps the most telling evidence. You use a detector to verify your dowsed locations and advocate their use to other dowsers. Oddly, you also gave a total of 16 square feet as a possible target area in this last example. Do you really need 16 square feet in order to pinpoint a target? Might as well just throw a shovel in the air and dig wherever it lands......

And one other thing I noticed. In the first quote you say that your detector beeped on the silver over a foot deep, but you have stated numerous times that detectors are useless on 12 inches deep. Remember my quote about the truth not changing?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Quote from Art on Dec. 8, 2006
Thread – My Dowsing Test
I own a metal detector for use when I need it. I used it yesterday...I now know that there is some silver at this one spot. The target is more than a foot deep and it beeped for me so I am assuming that there is a lot of silver down there.....Art

I guess I must have used a metal detector on that day.

Quote from Art on Jan 21, 2006
Thread – Gold Bars
At the end of two days my Dowsing Rods and a Two Box Detector told me that the Bars were not on the property.

Some one had ask me how I knew that the gold bars were not on the property. What does a two box have to do with pinpoining?

Quote from Art on Oct 15, 2007
Thread – Guest Poster
How can you compare a rod and the electrical system of a Metal Detector? I happen to Treasure Hunt with both....

And I do

Quote from Art on Oct 6, 2007
Thread – I Tried It
I carry a metal detector most of the time. I now have a two box with me that is also one of my tools.

That’s the truth

Quote from Art on Oct 23, 2007
Thread - ??
I can’t say that I have never dug any coins or gold found with a metal detector. I have dug a lot of coins using a metal detector.

That is also the truth...What does that have to do with using dowsing rods

AND

I sometimes use a metal detector in my deeper holes so I can widen the hole if I am not digging straight down. Art

That is also true.

AND

Your chances of successes with a metal detector are the same as the chances for a set of dowsing rods…
(Okay, so not a quote saying you own a detector, but where you say detectors and rods have equal chances of finding treasure.)

We were talking about random chance…Was I not right?

Quote from Art on Oct 23, 2007
Thread – How to Mark an Object
A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if anything remains in the square.

As you can see, the last statement is perhaps the most telling evidence. You use a detector to verify your dowsed locations and advocate their use to other dowsers. Oddly, you also gave a total of 16 square feet as a possible target area in this last example. Do you really need 16 square feet in order to pinpoint a target? Might as well just throw a shovel in the air and dig wherever it lands......

And one other thing I noticed. In the first quote you say that your detector beeped on the silver over a foot deep, but you have stated numerous times that detectors are useless on 12 inches deep. Remember my quote about the truth not changing?

Gee AF …Don’t you know anything about Metal Detectors….I suggest that you go back and re read the threads and find out what we were talking about. Heres the whole post that you are trying to spin and twist….

We seem to be getting a lot of posts about people who use dowsing rods to locate areas where coins can be found then they use a metal detector to find them. Some claim that the rods did not locate them but the metal detector found them up to 4 feet away.

A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.

For those that are having trouble marking the spot with the rods. Put a coin on the floor. Take your rods or rod and put you heel on the coin. Now move your hands back and forward and see what the rods do. If the rods or rod crosses at some point you need to remember what position you arms were in so you can repeat it. If they do not cross move back from the coin about 3 feet. It is best if you move in a North-South or East-West direction. Now walk forward and see if the rods cross before or after you pass the coin. If they cross before or after the coin your rods or rod is to long or to short.

Once you have found how the rods react you can then stand on the coin again. I find that when I use my heels the signal enters the body better. You then turn 90 degrees and adjust your feet so the rods stay closed. Now turn 90 degrees 3 more times making your adjustments. That is exactly where the object is located.

Now you can walk slowly away from the coin in any direction. The rods will open. As you walk the rods will begin to close. When they close to make a vee stop. The distance between you heel and the coin is the depth. The first 1 foot is sort of a no mans land. The object can be on the surface or 1 foot deep. After 1 foot this method is pretty accurate.

This should help but is not the only method but it is the way I do it….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

You used your rods and a two box detector to tell you there was no gold on the property.

So, you used a detector to back up what your rods told you? In essence, verifying what you dowsed?

AND>>>>>>>>

A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.
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This should help but is not the only method but it is the way I do it….Art

The truth never changes, Art.....
You wanted me to show you where you said you used a metal detector to pinpoint your dowsing finds, and I did.

Any questions?

 

[aarthrj3811]

You used your rods and a two box detector to tell you there was no gold on the property.

So, you used a detector to back up what your rods told you? In essence, verifying what you dowsed?

Read the entire thread before you make these kind of comments…..I had a deep gold signal that my research told me could have been a few bars of gold…..I am not digging a deep hole for a few flakes of gold. The two box told me that there was very little gold down there. I think I have stated the fact that I will use any and all equipment in my treasure ventures. If you can’t understand simple treasure hunting your never going to understand the people that peruse treasure.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey AF ….While your going though my posts if you happen to run across my post where I taught my new Metal Detector to swim please repost it for me…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey AF ….While your going though my posts if you happen to run across my post where I taught my new Metal Detector to swim please repost it for me…Art

I did see that.

Just another example of how you have no idea what you said two hours, two days or two months ago.

Can a detector detect beyond 12 inches or not?

Do you pinpoint with a detector or not?

Is a detector a valuable tool, or should you pitch it into a lake?

How can anyone believe anything you say?

 

[aarthrj3811]

You used your rods and a two box detector to tell you there was no gold on the property.

So, you used a detector to back up what your rods told you? In essence, verifying what you dowsed?

AND>>>>>>>>

A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.
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This should help but is not the only method but it is the way I do it….Art

And again you twisted the post and decided to post only the unimportant part…..

 

[ClonedSIM]

You used your rods and a two box detector to tell you there was no gold on the property.

So, you used a detector to back up what your rods told you? In essence, verifying what you dowsed?

AND>>>>>>>>

A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.
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This should help but is not the only method but it is the way I do it….Art

And again you twisted the post and decided to post only the unimportant part…..

If it was unimportant, then why did you say it?

You clearly stated that this:
A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.
is a method you use.

Whether I repeat your entire post or cut out the middle to give you a clearer view of exactly what you said, if makes no difference.

If the whole post was there, would it change the meaning of these two portions?

Nope!

 

[aarthrj3811]

There is no need to add anything about this subject...Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

As usual, picky picky only af.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[ClonedSIM]

There is no need to add anything about this subject...Art

Sure isn't.

You told us how you pinpoint a target.

I called you out on it.

You denied ever saying it.

I proved that you did in fact make this statement.

Now you want to pretend it never happened.

Typical dowser response. When something gets uncomfortable, just ignore it and change the subject.

 

[ClonedSIM]

As usual, picky picky only af.

Don Jose de La Mancha

I wouldn't go so far as to say picky, Jose. I saw him making a remark completely contrary to what he had stated earlier. Since I had just commented on how the truth never changes, and saw this as a perfect example of that statement.

Believe me, if a dowser caught a skeptic contradicting themselves, he would be all over it in a heartbeat.

 

[aarthrj3811]

How to mark an object
« on: Oct 23, 2007, 12:16:06 PM »
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We seem to be getting a lot of posts about people who use dowsing rods to locate areas where coins can be found then they use a metal detector to find them. Some claim that the rods did not locate them but the metal detector found them up to 4 feet away.

A simple way to do this is to use the rods until you mark a spot. Then mark off a four foot square with this spot in the middle. Use the metal detector to find and dig what is in the area. Then use the rods and see if any thing remains in the square.

For those that are having trouble marking the spot with the rods. Put a coin on the floor. Take your rods or rod and put you heel on the coin. Now move your hands back and forward and see what the rods do. If the rods or rod crosses at some point you need to remember what position you arms were in so you can repeat it. If they do not cross move back from the coin about 3 feet. It is best if you move in a North-South or East-West direction. Now walk forward and see if the rods cross before or after you pass the coin. If they cross before or after the coin your rods or rod is to long or to short.

Once you have found how the rods react you can then stand on the coin again. I find that when I use my heels the signal enters the body better. You then turn 90 degrees and adjust your feet so the rods stay closed. Now turn 90 degrees 3 more times making your adjustments. That is exactly where the object is located.

Now you can walk slowly away from the coin in any direction. The rods will open. As you walk the rods will begin to close. When they close to make a vee stop. The distance between you heel and the coin is the depth. The first 1 foot is sort of a no mans land. The object can be on the surface or 1 foot deep. After 1 foot this method is pretty accurate.

This should help but is not the only method but it is the way I do it….Art

Gee AF…You forgot about 25 sentences…This the 2nd time I have had to put this on this thread….Please do not twist and spin my words….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Gee AF…You forgot about 25 sentences…This the 2nd time I have had to put this on this thread….Please do not twist and spin my words….Art

I forgot 25 sentences? Did you forget this?

Whether I repeat your entire post or cut out the middle to give you a clearer view of exactly what you said, if makes no difference.

If the whole post was there, would it change the meaning of these two portions?

Nope!

This is the second time I have had to say this.

You screwed up, and are trying to make it out to seem like I'm taking something out of context.

You gave us a very nice description of how you "pinpoint" with a detector, and there's not a chance I'm going to let you forget it.

Just admit it, and we can move on. Whay are you so afraid of your own words?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey AF...Yes I put the words in the post...Then I proceeded to tell the proper way to mark an object....Then you proceed to infer that I always us a Metal Detector. That is not the truth...Can't you understand anything.....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey AF...Yes I put the words in the post...Then I proceeded to tell the proper way to mark an object....Then you proceed to infer that I always us a Metal Detector. That is not the truth...Can't you understand anything.....Art

I understand plenty, Art.

First you proceed to tell everyone how to pinpoint an object with a metal datector after dowsing it.

You go on to describe a number of different ways as well.

Then you tell us that these are the methods you use.

I did, in fact, read your post, both when you originally made it and and again yesterday. I have made no issue about this.

What I did take exception to was the fact that you said "I know for a fact that is not the way I dowse," when I brought up the subject of the detector.

Do you understand this?

To be honest, Art, I could care less if you use a metal detector to pinpoint or not. That's got nearly nothing to do with this discussion.

It's about truth and honesty. Don't tell me that you don't use a metal detector to pinpoint when, only a month ago, you told me that you do.

Get my point?