Do you trust your neighbor to own a sword?

[newnan man]

Those are excellent points dats-ago!

 

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[releventchair]

Till we quit abusing each other ... Abuse will continue.
It remains a mindset , vs methodology.

 

[beekbuster]

Tahts-a-dats-ago--- I could not agree more. Excellent point.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

You resort to a false analogy. One less cupcake in the world doesn't have much impact on me. Somebody tipping the team at three bills isn't going to kill a child at school unless she (or he) sits on them.

However - we have taken common sense steps to reduce obesity. There is product information on food packages - the number of calories, how much sugar, how much fat (and what kind). Restaurants post food information. There are programs of education. Our FLOTUS worked to provide healthy school lunches, instead of crap that just provide a profit for the suppliers with little or no nutrition for the students.

Look at tobacco smoking - a major cause of death in the US of A. In the mid-1960's about 40% of the adult population smoked. That was down to less than 20% in 2019. Tobacco wasn't "banned." Taxes went up, of course. Educational programs initiated. Cigarette machines went away. Warning labels were placed on packages. We stopped the stupid federal government subsidies for tobacco farmers (we still need to do something about under-age workers in the fields). Education helped a great deal, as well. Citizens with a GED are eight times more likely to be smokers than those with a graduate degree.

We were on a trend to completely eliminate tobacco smoking. Vaping set that back - particularly for the teenagers targeted by the manufacturers. The COVID-19 pandemic appears to have resulted in an increase in smoking. But we're still headed in the right direction.

Serious problems can be addressed and problems can be solved.

You revert to suggesting a ban on silverware. That's your only "solution?" There's just one weak arrow in your quiver of answers? A "ban?"

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure Hunting:

The first shooting at a school in the US of A was well over 100 years ago. It's hardly a new problem.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

What I was trying to say was the first school shooting that made liberals start screaming for gun control was Chares Whitman.

So lets limit everyone from drinking whiskey or beer because some people drink and drive, lets limit how much food you can buy based on your BMI number because of obese people, out law books on violence, it may cause people to commit violence.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Tpmetal:

There isn't a "perceived" problem - there is a very real one. I already addressed the local gun law issue above.

The first thing we can do to work to solve the problem is to admit there is one. Then remove the obstacles to an intelligent study of the issues. Why is funding so difficult to obtain to do that? Why are so many people afraid of the answers? Do they not go to the doctor when they are sick because they fear the truth?

We can eliminate the exemption from product liability lawsuits for gun makers. What other industry enjoys such a blanket grant from the government? "Conservatives" argue the government shouldn't pick winners and losers. Product liability law is well-established. There's ample case law. If Sturm, Ruger produces a defective pistol, why shouldn't a victim of their negligence be able to sue them?

Happily, the Biden Administration isn't satisfied with the sorry status quo.

How one sentence (and $5 billion) could reshape America's approach to gun violence (yahoo.com)

Please note: There's nothing here about a "ban."

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

How many more school shootings will it take before the clock strikes "Now?"

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure Hunter:

How many more school shootings will it take before the clock strikes "Now?"

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

I have grand kids in school and I still will never support more gun control, there are already enough laws on firearms, anyone trying to restrict my rights is my enemy.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Does your "80 per day" number include suicides?

In 2017 there were 39,773 "gun deaths" in the United states (Pew Research). Of those 23,854 were suicides and 14,542 were murders. That's 40 per day. A person should have the choice of suicide if they desire.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Infoplease lists 8,855 gun murders in the United States for 2012. Far below your "80 per day" (29,200 annually) for 2012.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/murder-victims-weapons-used

 

[Tpmetal]

Tpmetal:

There isn't a "perceived" problem - there is a very real one. I already addressed the local gun law issue above.

The first thing we can do to work to solve the problem is to admit there is one. Then remove the obstacles to an intelligent study of the issues. Why is funding so difficult to obtain to do that? Why are so many people afraid of the answers? Do they not go to the doctor when they are sick because they fear the truth?

We can eliminate the exemption from product liability lawsuits for gun makers. What other industry enjoys such a blanket grant from the government? "Conservatives" argue the government shouldn't pick winners and losers. Product liability law is well-established. There's ample case law. If Sturm, Ruger produces a defective pistol, why shouldn't a victim of their negligence be able to sue them?

Happily, the Biden Administration isn't satisfied with the sorry status quo.

How one sentence (and $5 billion) could reshape America's approach to gun violence (yahoo.com)

Please note: There's nothing here about a "ban."

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

No it is a perceived problem by you. It is not about guns deaths, its about people killing other people....the guns are not the issue. Until you can admit that to yourself you will never be of any help to the problem that seems to be causing you so much distress.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Treasure Hunter:

How many more school shootings will it take before the clock strikes "Now?"

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

The worst school murder/disaster in the USA stands at 45 students killed. 1927 in Bath, Michigan. Firearms were not used. It was a bomb.

Perhaps we should make insanity illegal? The marvels of modern genetics may provide a genetic embryo test and - to quote a celebrity from 2,000 years ago - "It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

 

[releventchair]

Tpmetal:

There isn't a "perceived" problem - there is a very real one. I already addressed the local gun law issue above.

The first thing we can do to work to solve the problem is to admit there is one. Then remove the obstacles to an intelligent study of the issues. Why is funding so difficult to obtain to do that? Why are so many people afraid of the answers? Do they not go to the doctor when they are sick because they fear the truth?

We can eliminate the exemption from product liability lawsuits for gun makers. What other industry enjoys such a blanket grant from the government? "Conservatives" argue the government shouldn't pick winners and losers. Product liability law is well-established. There's ample case law. If Sturm, Ruger produces a defective pistol, why shouldn't a victim of their negligence be able to sue them?

Happily, the Biden Administration isn't satisfied with the sorry status quo.

How one sentence (and $5 billion) could reshape America's approach to gun violence (yahoo.com)

Please note: There's nothing here about a "ban."

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

Not exactly accurate when you write "defective" arms as being the goal of increasing liability for manufacturers.
Among others , class action lawsuits regarding suspected defects in quality or construction can and have resulted in settlements.

However , President Biden is not focused on defective arms being the desire for greater liability. Rather , misuse of arms.
While claiming no other billion plus dollar manufacturer is exempt. (Kill someone willingly and deliberately with an auto , can you then sue the manufacturer for building the auto and they must accept liability for your action with a nondefective auto? Yes/No/maybe/not likely?)

Not defective guns. Misuse of guns. Very very different topics....

[Biden, who has spent years writing and fighting gun laws in Washington, is referring to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), a 2005 law that largely shields firearm manufacturers and dealers from lawsuits when people use their products illegally, such as by shooting someone.]
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...lity-protections-could-sink-industry-n1263556

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

There isn't a "perceived" problem - there is a very real one. I already addressed the local gun law issue above.

The first thing we can do to work to solve the problem is to admit there is one. Then remove the obstacles to an intelligent study of the issues. Why is funding so difficult to obtain to do that? Why are so many people afraid of the answers? Do they not go to the doctor when they are sick because they fear the truth?

We can eliminate the exemption from product liability lawsuits for gun makers. What other industry enjoys such a blanket grant from the government? "Conservatives" argue the government shouldn't pick winners and losers. Product liability law is well-established. There's ample case law. If Sturm, Ruger produces a defective pistol, why shouldn't a victim of their negligence be able to sue them?

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act [PLCAA] does not protect gun manufacturers from liability in the event of damages caused by a faulty product. It prevents them from being sued if their product functions properly but is misused. Similarly, you can't sue Jim Beam distillery, or the bottle manufacturer, if you get drunk and wreck your car because you claim the bottle design allowed you to pour out an unsafe volume of alcohol.


https://www.npr.org/sections/itsall...-totally-free-of-liability-for-their-behavior

 

[Old Bookaroo]

releventchair:

Thank you for the correction! My comment was not based on President Biden's remarks - however, it's very important to get the facts correct, and if I post an error I'll admit it.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Charlie P. (NY):

As noted above, thank you for the correction.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Charlie P. (NY):

I am in favor of affordable health care - including, of course, for mental illness - being readily available for everyone. It doesn't make sense to tie health insurance to employment - folks who aren't working still need medical care, and that is a time in their lives when they can least afford it.

The worst "school murder/disaster" is the one that happens to one's own child. There have been far, far too many of them.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Charlie P. (NY):

My post stated "killed" - not "murdered."

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Duckshot]

Its almost funny. It's as if Billy ran with scissors so nobody in the class is allowed to touch scissors, except teacher of course. I mean grow the heck up. You are not a subject in kindergarten. Im pretty sure im probably mature enough to know if I can handle scissors or not.

Teacher is suffering psychotic delusions and will stab the aliens invading the students bodies to death with scissors, thereby saving all of the childeren. That weren't stabbed to death.

 

[Duckshot]

Did you know they have violence in countries that don't have the freedom to keep arms and the freedom to bear arms?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

As far as violence goes Americans are pretty docile compared to other more or less "civilized" countries.

I just can't beleive it. It's not "gun violence", it is people who commit violence that are the problem.

 

[Luciano321]

If I was the president of a country, any country, I would allow and encourage people to own guns and at the same time those owners must train to use them at the time of the purchase.

As for the shooting at Las Vegas, that was done by more than four shooters, it was a false flag operation...The information is at the intellihub web-site.

Many parties are interested in taking away our rights. our liberties , our freedom too. They want to silence those that are against the experimental vaccines...
There is a big move by powerful people of the world to reduce the population of the world by eliminating us all.
It s a dangerous world out there and governments and media are scaring people to control them-
That is what I think.