- May 7, 2012
- Primary Interest:
Does anyone have a better copy of this map?
is this the map you are looking for?
is this copy any better?
Does anyone have a better copy of this map?
Wow I must say your information is far far from what some of the Noss family have shared with a personal friend of mine who spent a lot of time with them my same friend also worked on the VP site. Doc took Josie Bell Butler into the Caballo "Sites" she also tells a much different account than what you share. I had another personal friend who knew Josie and who also knew Miss Perone. Both of which again share a much different story that conflicts with what you have shared here. I would imagine that over time many people pick up pieces of the stories and then get them mixed up and then repeat it over and over eventually believing its the gospel. Mike I can assure you Willie & Buster did not show Doc a map that led Doc to the VP. Willie & Buster did not find the map in a window sill. 17 year old Jack Reynolds found the map at Fort Seldon while foraging for fire wood by ripping the window sills and door frames from the old adobe fort trying to keep warm on a cold rainy night. He was ill with TB and was making his way to Hot Springs NM to be treated by Miss Perone. Long story short, Miss Perone obtained the map/s from jack while he was incapacitated with TB. She had the map/s translated that were of Castilian Spanish, Greek and Latin mixed. She had two copies made a set of maps for Jack and a set for herself. Miss Perone knew the are's mentioned on the maps and was familiar with the land marks there in the Caballo's. She sent Jack to the locations. Buster and Willie had already been getting into the mine/cavern close to Granite Peak. One day they caught Jack Randel coming out of the hole below or in Dark canyon and killed him stealing the set of maps that he had. Searchers looking for jack found his jacket at the bottom of dark canyon. Latter Willie and Buster told Miss Perone it was too bad that the boy had been mistaken as a deer by deer hunters and if she didn't stay out of the mountains she too could be mistaken for a deer. Meanwhile Willie & Buster now had additional maps/info of the mines/caverns within the Caballo range mainly Burbank canyon extending to Cable canyon.
Doc showed up in 1934 within 4 days located his mine/cavern from a map that he obtained from Geronimo in Fort Sill, OK. When he was 14 in 1908. Doc was born in 1894 not the BS dates in Wikipedia or wherever else the nonsense is repeated. A 1940 Hot Springs Census shows Doc's own writing indicating his birth year was 1896 but His Daughter Letha said Doc was always lying about his age and in fact was born in 1894.
The first site Doc Noss got into here in the Caballo's had found Spanish maps within it. Those maps showed him other sites within the Caballo range and at VP along with Cloudcroft, NM. and the Capitan mountains. Doc then began to fratenize with locals in the Hot Springs area. Trying to find out who else was getting into the other areas shown on his maps that came from his mine/cavern that he located in 1934. He teamed up with Leno Carteago to get into the Cable Canyon site then ran Leno off. Three men tortured Willie two of them were from Hatch, NM. And Doc was the third man who tortured Willie the first time. Willie told Johnny Gordon that one of them was Doc. I realize that is a surprise to everyone but Johnny Gordon owned the Ranch at Granite peak and was hauling Willie and Buster up to and back from the ranch with gold bars. Johnny Gordon's nephew Johnny Holden is the one who shared that with me. The people associated with the real events just shake their heads at all of this internet chatter that has gotten so mixed up. The Caballo mountains were full of murderers thieves and thugs all fighting among themselves. To the point they actually started working with one another out of shear protection from one another. The Palmer Brothers, Jack Palmer, Doc Noss, Willie, & Buster all met at Sonny Mitchel's house When Sonny was just a young boy. All the while Doc Noss kept the rest of them in the dark about his site that he first found from the Geronimo map. Things got really wild the Hebers and the Laurence's were looking to buy gold from this rat pack of murderers and were killed that's a long story anyhow that brought a lot of heat into the Caballo's so Doc left the Caballo's and went to Vickie Peak to get away from everything happening in the Caballo's. The whole story about that he & Babe was deer hunting and discovered a hole in VP is all BS! He new about VP since 1934 and then went to VP in 1936. However he always kept an eye on his first find in the Caballo's and the rest of the rat pack never knew about Doc's site. In 1942 Doc destroyed all of the markers associated with the mine/cavern and finally plugged the air vent that he was accessing. Most people familiar with Vickie Peak story never even heard of the Caballo's.
Anyhow I thought that you might enjoy hearing a little bit different take on the story about Doc in the Caballo's
Oh yeah I had a personal friend who brokered Leland Alsup's gold bars. Leland was Willies Nephew. My friend set him up with a Reno casino owner. They took the gold bars in to casino assayed them and just kept giving them chips until they would win the value of the gold. It took three years to take out all of the gold bars from that one location.
PS. I found Doc's camp site I dug up some of the things he stashed that his step Daughter Letha said that he buried. It was an old 1930's stove top, a stove pipe, a tin cup and a complete in tacked 1930's lantern with the glass globe broken but in place. Letha said he tore his camp down and buried those items. The same items that I dug up. My personal friend who spent a lot of time with Letha showed me the area to look for the camp. But Doc's original site is a long ways from his camp site. I even have Doc Noss' pocket knife. Am I an expert on Doc? Lol no where near it but I love the history and we should try to preserve it the best we can.
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let the wolves eat man .
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sorry man , but a few mysteries about events , were just solved for me .
That tomb , and some other sites .
Last night , memories came flooding back .
and dots began to connect man . I have a full picture right now .
I know for fact what I saw. Family ties to Doc. Priceless artifacts galore.
My mentor has all photos.
Don't ever be so sure you know what I say is a lie. I have no time for BS and only speak the truth.