Does Anyone have a RangerTell Examiner

[aarthrj3811]

~JP~
Hi Art,About your new experiment:

1. I never measured which of my hands are positive or negative before, so I don't know the proper procedure to do this.
I presume you want me to measure the voltage between one hand and the other. My first attempt to take a measurement Using a digital voltmeter failed because of the electrical noise that the meter leads pick up from the air and from your body, which also tends to collect electrical noise from the air. I was getting readings all over the place from 150mv to -30mv. The best method I can use without visiting a medical center that has electrically shielded rooms is to place the meter and my hands into a metal box to minimize the stray noise which could tend to give false readings. In this condition, I still had some noise that caused the meter readings to wander up and down, but on average, I found readings of left hand 40mv more positive than the right hand. In my opinion, I think there is less than a 30% probability that a real test at a medical center would agree with this crude reading.

I have a cheap volt meter from Radio Shack...I just turn it on and hold the positive lead in my right hand and the negative in my left. If the polarity is right the display will not have anything in front of it...If it is reversed there will be a minus sign jn front of the reading..

2. The experiment you suggested sounds like dowsing to me, considering it requires a set of dowsing rods made from coat hangers.

Rods are just that...rods...If you use them to dowse then they can be called dowsing rods.

You should know I am not a dowser. Every attempt I made to dowse in the past resulted in no response from the rods. Examples: walk over water hose = no response from rods. Walk over water hose with water running = no response from rods. Search for metals on the ground = no response. Step on metals = no response. This has been the case since I first tried it years ago, and with dowsers giving me instructions, as well as later times I tried it on my own, using only instructions I found online.

Then you are in the 3 % of people whom rods do not work for. I would tell not to use the old rod type LRL.s.

3. I did your experiment with the examiner balanced on the ground pointing nearly vertical. It had your recommended key codes entered and antenna extended 1 length + 1/4 inch, and a man's gold ring on the ground 8 feet away. I got no response from the dowsing rods when I walked between the Examiner and the gold ring.

Remember...If you try to dowse with a LRL or MFD you will fail...Art

 

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[J__P]

Hey JP....Check you hands and see which one is Positive...It should be your right hand but not always..Now..the RT can be used as a stand alone device...Sit it up on end with the antenna up..take a set of rods and walk between it and the target...Coat hanger rods..
To make the L rods cut two hangers at the neck and straighten them. Make the handles 5" long and the long side 17"making sure that the handles are free of the old bends. Remember that these L Rods are not very sensitive but will react to a lot of different objects....Art


I have a cheap volt meter from Radio Shack...I just turn it on and hold the positive lead in my right hand and the negative in my left. If the polarity is right the display will not have anything in front of it...If it is reversed there will be a minus sign jn front of the reading..


Rods are just that...rods...If you use them to dowse then they can be called dowsing rods.

Then you are in the 3 % of people whom rods do not work for. I would tell not to use the old rod type LRL.s.


Remember...If you try to dowse with a LRL or MFD you will fail...Art

Hi Art,

I did not try to dowse.
I have no interest in dowsing.
I am only interested in seeing the Examiner locate something.

I followed your instructions and took a set of coat hanger rods and walked between the Examiner and a gold ring on the ground.
I saw no response from the rods.
If this is trying to dowse, then I don't know anything about it.
I think it is following instructions.

Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[J__P]

Hey JP....Check you hands and see which one is Positive...It should be your right hand but not always..

I have a cheap volt meter from Radio Shack...I just turn it on and hold the positive lead in my right hand and the negative in my left. If the polarity is right the display will not have anything in front of it...If it is reversed there will be a minus sign jn front of the reading..
Art

Hi Art,
I don't have a meter from Radio Shack.
The one I have is made by Fluke, but it is probably as good as a Radio shack meter for accuracy.

I just got done connecting the leads like you did with your Radio Shack meter, holding the positive lead in the right hand, and negative in the left.
The readings I saw were positive, fluctuating between 6 mv and 24 mv. Then after awhile they fluctuated down to -6 mv, and returned back to a range between 8 mv and 22 mv. This happened over a 3 minute period of time.
Then I reversed the leads to opposite hands, and I also found similar readings, fluctuating between -4 mv and 32 mv over a 3 minute interval. These readings went up and down from postive to negative several times in each of the 3-minute test periods. But whether I was holding the positive lead in the rigth hand or left hand, the meter read positive most of the time.

I checked to see if my meter is working ok. First I checked for a voltage offset by shorting the leads together, and there is no offset more than 1/1000 of a millivolt. Then I checked this meter on the oscilloscope to see if it was functioning correctly against known voltage sources. It agrees with the mv and uv readings I get on the scope, so I feel confident the meter is functioning and telling me the correct voltage it reads at the leads.

I can only conclude that when I hold the meter leads in my hands, it is reading voltage which is accumulated from charges which are picked up in the air, rather than a true reading of biological voltages. I could visit Radio Shack when I get a chance to see if their meters show different results, but I am beginning to wonder how this will help me see people locate things with the Examiner. I only watched a little more than 50 people try using two Examiners, and not a one of them was able to find anything. Maybe some of these 50 people had the correct polarity to their hands, or maybe they all had the wrong polarity. I don't know.


Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[aarthrj3811]

~JP~
The readings I saw were positive, fluctuating between 6 mv and 24 mv. Then after awhile they fluctuated down to -6 mv, and returned back to a range between 8 mv and 22 mv. This happened over a 3 minute period of time.
Then I reversed the leads to opposite hands, and I also found similar readings, fluctuating between -4 mv and 32 mv over a 3 minute interval. These readings went up and down from postive to negative several times in each of the 3-minute test periods. But whether I was holding the positive lead in the rigth hand or left hand, the meter read positive most of the time.

Gee...I had my hands checked by an Electrical Engineering student in a lab at the college..He came up with +120 mv...When I switched hands he got -120 mv..He told me my right hand was positive and my left hand is the negative...

but I am beginning to wonder how this will help me see people locate things with the Examiner.

Just trying to figure out why you can not locate anything..Art

 

[coyote3]

Call Ranger, tell them you have a piece of **** and tell them you want another machine and you will send that one back. It does not work.. Plain and simple.. Why complicate something beyond what it is...GEEEEEZZ...

 

[J__P]

Call Ranger, tell them you have a piece of **** and tell them you want another machine and you will send that one back. It does not work.. Plain and simple.. Why complicate something beyond what it is...GEEEEEZZ...

Hi coytote3,
After 4 months of testing the Examiner indoors and in outdoor field tests where a number of people found no detection, that is exactly what I did.

When Rangertell got the returned Examiner they emailed me and said it was out of calibration, and they said they put it back in calibration and it worked fine. They said they would send me back another Examiner to replace it, but I asked them to have someone at the factory test it to make sure it is in calibration before they send it. Then they sent back a different Examiner which is identical in construction, except it is the Deluxe model which has a TI Solar calculator instead of the no-name calculator, and a ground probe, and more frequencies included on the CD. That was about 2-1/2 years ago. Since that time, a lot of people tried the Deluxe Examiner. Some were the same people who tried the 808B model. But so far, nobody has been able to get either of them to find treasure.

You realise Rangertell does not generally send replacements of Examiners which are more than 10 days old. I can cite a story where an examiner user tried to send one back and all his efforts were futile. Of course I could try to send this one back, and if I get another replacement, then I can send it back if it doesn't work and then the next one after that too. But doesn't that seem a little pointless?
It doesn't seem likely Rangertell would send two defective Examiners, especially if the factory checked the second one for good calibration before sending it out. I am thinking the Examiner is performing exactly the way the designer intended it to perform. The problem may be that the people who have been using these two did not use the proper techniques for recovering buried treasures in some way. Sure they followed the instructions that were sent in the CD, but there is probably some part of the technique of locating treasure which we have all been doing wrong. This is why I always try new tips which might give some hope for finding something with an Examiner.

But it seems there is something odd about all this Examiner stuff. I read Art's posts where he says he knows thousands of people who find treasure with the Examiner every day. I didn't know thousands of people are hunting treasure with Examiners every day. I believe in the 10 years that Rangertell has been selling Examiners, they probably sold more than 1000 of them. But I haven't seen any more than maybe 10 people ever report on any forums that they found anything with Examiners. For example, there's hung, Mike(Mont) and Art, and in your case, you say the antenna moves, but you reported some problems. It doesn't appear you are finding things with your examiner when you go treasure hunting. I also read more than 10 reports where people say they were not able to get the Examiner to find anything. (I am one of those people), and I saw more than 50 others experience the same non-detection as I did on two different Examiners.

What seems odd, is that if Art knows thousands of people finding treasure with Examiners every day, then where are they? At least five or ten of them could make forum posts to tell how to make the thing work. Or they could send a PM with some tips.

I begin to wonder if these thousands of people finding treasures every day with their Examiners really exist, much less Art knowing thousands of them finding treasure every day. If they do exist, then I wonder what part of the world they live. I suppose most of them must live in the USA or Canada if Art knows them. Maybe someone can send email addresses to contact some of them to meet on my next trip to the wilderness. Maybe some of them could show us how to use this Examiner. It would be good even to watch them locate things and ask questions, so we can see how it is done. Then we could certainly post photos of all the treasures we find after we learn the proper techniques to locate things with the Examiner.


Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[coyote3]

Hi coytote3,
After 4 months of testing the Examiner indoors and in outdoor field tests where a number of people found no detection, that is exactly what I did.

When Rangertell got the returned Examiner they emailed me and said it was out of calibration, and they said they put it back in calibration and it worked fine. They said they would send me back another Examiner to replace it, but I asked them to have someone at the factory test it to make sure it is in calibration before they send it. Then they sent back a different Examiner which is identical in construction, except it is the Deluxe model which has a TI Solar calculator instead of the no-name calculator, and a ground probe, and more frequencies included on the CD. That was about 2-1/2 years ago. Since that time, a lot of people tried the Deluxe Examiner. Some were the same people who tried the 808B model. But so far, nobody has been able to get either of them to find treasure.

You realise Rangertell does not generally send replacements of Examiners which are more than 10 days old. I can cite a story where an examiner user tried to send one back and all his efforts were futile. Of course I could try to send this one back, and if I get another replacement, then I can send it back if it doesn't work and then the next one after that too. But doesn't that seem a little pointless?
It doesn't seem likely Rangertell would send two defective Examiners, especially if the factory checked the second one for good calibration before sending it out. I am thinking the Examiner is performing exactly the way the designer intended it to perform. The problem may be that the people who have been using these two did not use the proper techniques for recovering buried treasures in some way. Sure they followed the instructions that were sent in the CD, but there is probably some part of the technique of locating treasure which we have all been doing wrong. This is why I always try new tips which might give some hope for finding something with an Examiner.

But it seems there is something odd about all this Examiner stuff. I read Art's posts where he says he knows thousands of people who find treasure with the Examiner every day. I didn't know thousands of people are hunting treasure with Examiners every day. I believe in the 10 years that Rangertell has been selling Examiners, they probably sold more than 1000 of them. But I haven't seen any more than maybe 10 people ever report on any forums that they found anything with Examiners. For example, there's hung, Mike(Mont) and Art, and in your case, you say the antenna moves, but you reported some problems. It doesn't appear you are finding things with your examiner when you go treasure hunting. I also read more than 10 reports where people say they were not able to get the Examiner to find anything. (I am one of those people), and I saw more than 50 others experience the same non-detection as I did on two different Examiners.

What seems odd, is that if Art knows thousands of people finding treasure with Examiners every day, then where are they? At least five or ten of them could make forum posts to tell how to make the thing work. Or they could send a PM with some tips.

I begin to wonder if these thousands of people finding treasures every day with their Examiners really exist, much less Art knowing thousands of them finding treasure every day. If they do exist, then I wonder what part of the world they live. I suppose most of them must live in the USA or Canada if Art knows them. Maybe someone can send email addresses to contact some of them to meet on my next trip to the wilderness. Maybe some of them could show us how to use this Examiner. It would be good even to watch them locate things and ask questions, so we can see how it is done. Then we could certainly post photos of all the treasures we find after we learn the proper techniques to locate things with the Examiner.


Best Wishes,
J_P

If you want I can put you in contact with a man in Colorado that finds items with it daily.. He drives down the highway and finds items with his all the time.. I have not used mine enough to become an expert on it. I like dowsing much better because its myself and I am not relying on a damn machine to tell me something. I bought a machine called a Si Go that does only silver and gold and love it. With dowsing it can fluctuate very often but with the si go there is a constant signal line. I really believe with the Examiner the same rules apply as dowsing. ( NO, Not the same thing you egotistical jackasses who know who you are) The power fluctuates. The magnetic flux lines fluctuate. They move. Its more a regional thing. The tectonic plates moving, make all this change. People just think we are standing on solid ground when really its moving constantly. When the plates rub or touch it send interruption throughout the earth. I dont believe the solar flares or any of that interrupts the use of a machined, however I believe they will cause less signal from a target. But it all has to work together. If a gold target is buried in an area where there is gold present in the ground its going to make it harder to detect. Sames with silver, platinum, iron, lead, etc.. Have you took your Examiner out in the middle of nowhere and tried it? Mine has worked. People have hid items and I have found them. I have been working and have only taken it to one area in search of items. I found and marked three targets which I also confirmed with my L Rods. It snowed so I have not made it back to find what is there yet. When I do I will post the pictures on here.

 

[coyote3]

Oh one more thing. Most people cannot dowse lead cause it is a horrible signal.. Wonder why this is? They use it to absorb X Ray and other harmful rays which are around this world. It will absorb all magnetic anomaly. Bury all your treasure and cover it with a blanket of lead. It will never be found in a thousand years other than mental dowsing and a metal detector.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~JP~

What seems odd, is that if Art knows thousands of people finding treasure with Examiners every day, then where are they? At least five or ten of them could make forum posts to tell how to make the thing work. Or they could send a PM with some tips.

I begin to wonder if these thousands of people finding treasures every day with their Examiners really exist, much less Art knowing thousands of them finding treasure every day. If they do exist, then I wonder what part of the world they live. I suppose most of them must live in the USA or Canada if Art knows them. Maybe someone can send email addresses to contact some of them to meet on my next trip to the wilderness. Maybe some of them could show us how to use this Examiner. It would be good even to watch them locate things and ask questions, so we can see how it is done. Then we could certainly post photos of all the treasures we find after we learn the proper techniques to locate things with the Examiner.

Gee JP..I exchange e-mail with people all over the world...RT has sold an examiner every 4 days since 2002...You do the math...I don’t know how many TN members have used the Examiner...I think we have heard from five or ten TN members who have found treasure with a RT units..You are the first to report a non functioning device..Art

 

[J__P]

If you want I can put you in contact with a man in Colorado that finds items with it daily.. He drives down the highway and finds items with his all the time.. I have not used mine enough to become an expert on it. I like dowsing much better because its myself and I am not relying on a damn machine to tell me something. I bought a machine called a Si Go that does only silver and gold and love it. With dowsing it can fluctuate very often but with the si go there is a constant signal line. I really believe with the Examiner the same rules apply as dowsing.

...Have you took your Examiner out in the middle of nowhere and tried it? Mine has worked. People have hid items and I have found them. I have been working and have only taken it to one area in search of items. I found and marked three targets which I also confirmed with my L Rods. It snowed so I have not made it back to find what is there yet. When I do I will post the pictures on here.

Hi coyote3,
Yes, out in the middle of nowhere is where half of our testing was done for the Examiners. The other half of the testing was in parking lots, at beaches and parks, and even a few indoor tests. None of us found any detection in the wilderness or in the city.

It is interesting that you believe that with the Examiner the same rules apply as dowsing. What I find interesting is that most of the people who posted that they find things with the Examiner are also people who say they can find things by dowsing. Yet none of the people I saw using the two Examiners found anything. Are they all non-dowsers? I didn't ask many of them if they have dowsing abilities, but the few I asked said they don't know anything about dowsing. They are just common ordinary people you find on the street, working in an office, or out hiking in the woods. The dowsers I have heard about are either professional dowsers who use dowsing as part of their profession, or amateurs who practice as a spare time hobby for amusement, or maybe for their treasure hunting hobby. But as far as I have been able to determine, these people who regularly use dowsing rods to locate hidden things are rare by the percentages. What I observed was nobody locating anything with the Examiner, and a few forum posts by people who cannot find anything when using an Examiner, and a few forum posts by people who report they find things by dowsing, and they also find things with the Examiner.
This is what makes me think the Examiner seems to work the same as dowsing. Even the experiences you posted confirm this.

But keep in mind, the observations I made are not proof that the Examiner is a dowsing rod. These are simply observations that convince me it works the same as dowsing, not the same as an electronic locator. And that is what I will continue to think until I observe anyone who uses an Examiner can locate hidden things, like they can with a metal detector which actually is an electronic locator.

Yes, I would be interested in contacting the person in Colorado who finds items with the Examiner daily. Please send a PM.


Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[J__P]

I know of 1000’s of people who find treasure every day with the Ranger Tell..

Gee JP..I exchange e-mail with people all over the world...RT has sold an examiner every 4 days since 2002...You do the math...I don’t know how many TN members have used the Examiner...I think we have heard from five or ten TN members who have found treasure with a RT units..You are the first to report a non functioning device..Art

Hi Art,
I did the math, and the numbers don't add up.
Rangertell reported selling a unit every 4.2 days from the period of Feb 2002 till Feb 2009.
This is 86.9 units per year. The math says a total of 941 Examiners were sold since Feb 2002 at that rate.

Of those 941 Examiners, how many of them are actually used to find treasure?
How many of them were tossed in the closet and forgotten?
How is it possible to know thousands of people finding treasure with Examiners every day when less than 1000 were sold?

RangerTell told me the closest person he could locate who has an Examiner is in Phoenix, and he hasn't used it for a while.
Do you really expect me to believe thousands of people are finding treasures with Examiners every day?


Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[aarthrj3811]

The only other report I have saw on here was that of all the LRL’s sold in the world only about 20 units were in use..Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

If you are thinking about purchasing a LRL or MFD what you should do...Research all the different makes and models..determine which units would be right for the type of treasure hunting you want to do. If you determine the unit uses rods do the simple tests that will tell you if you can get the proper response from the rods.
Find someone who has one of these units and go on a hunt with that person...go to the manufacture and do a hands on test with the unit...Be an informed consumer..Art

 

[J__P]

If you are thinking about purchasing a LRL or MFD what you should do...Research all the different makes and models..determine which units would be right for the type of treasure hunting you want to do. If you determine the unit uses rods do the simple tests that will tell you if you can get the proper response from the rods.
Find someone who has one of these units and go on a hunt with that person...go to the manufacture and do a hands on test with the unit...Be an informed consumer..Art

Hi Art,
I can agree with that.
I think it is good advice to try any piece of treasure hunting equipment with a hands on test before you hand over the money. This is what I always do for metal detectors, just to be sure I am getting something I will be happy with. The problem I find with LRLs is there are no local treasure hunting shops I know of that stock a selection of different brands for you to test out before you buy them. This leaves us in a position where we can either send in the money and wait for whatever arrives, and deal with whatever policy the person who sent it has for returns in case you don't like it.
Or you can visit someone who has an LRL that you are thinking of buying and try it out to see if it is suitable for you.

I don't like either of these choices, because for most LRLs I see on the market, few people own them. Unless someone nearby has one for you to try out, you are in a position to send in a big chunck of change and take your chances. The problem with this is they don't seem to work the way they are shown in the advertising for most people who try them, and most people cannot send them back. It would be easier if these LRLs were on display for people to try them out first to make sure they are happy with the way they work before paying the money. In the case of Rangertell, they do have a 10 day trial period in which you can send it back if you pay the freight and a restocking charge. But still, wouldn't it be easier if you could go to the local prospector shop and try one before buying instead of dealing with the guesswork? Isn't that what we do before buying a metal detector, or car, or other things that cost more than a $100 or so?

This is why I have offered to let anyone try the Examiner I have in Southern California. This is a new condition Deluxe Examiner which was tested for good calibration at the factory before sending it. From what Rangertell told me there are no Examiner owners in Southern California, but maybe someone is thinking of buying one. Send me a PM and set up an appointment to try it out. Bring your favorite test targets and see how well it works before spending your money.

Best Wishes,
J_P

 

[aarthrj3811]

I own 4 lrl’s...I went to the manufactures to buy the first 3..I tested a Ranger Tell that was owned by a guy in San Francisco before I ordered one..Most of the manufactures are small bussiness. Most Treasure Hunting Shops if they are going to sell a few each year are not going to have them in stock...Just good bussiness. Many of the items I buy will not be found in shops...the only way to get them is to order them...Art

 

[joesdigs]

Love this thread... I'm intrigued at the thought of such distance locators. What is the best one?

 

[animalrooster41]

I do not have a rt, but have friends who own them. I was a huge skeptic until I put them to a few tests. All I know is I became a believer. I tried it for 2 days under their instruction and it barely worked. They told me like anything else it takes time. I have seen them find silver coins, gold nuggets that were hidden by me on purpose in the field. I tested them over culverts in the road that they could not see from above. They located both sides and its depth precisely. Say what you will, i have seen it in action, in the right trained hands its awesome.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thank You animalrooster41...It takes time and practice to become good with any kind of tool...Art

 

[goranspeed]

Hi all. Little to refresh theme. Question for Art. Art, can you explain to me the exact procedure of locating objects, or pinpoint. I've tried with that code 0.005, but nothing is happening. Do you enter this code first and then 0.005, or something else?
Cheers
Goran

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Goran....I use my normal settings until I know that I am with in a foot of the target. I them clear the settings and enter the normal code and the depth and put the distance at 0.005....I then move my feet slowly around the area until the device swings...Using this method I know that the target will be under my left heel...I mark it and dig...Art