Dousing...really?...

[morbiusandneo]

Mel Fisher really used dowsers?? Yes/No?

My brother and I went down to Mel's Museum in Key West and look at everything. We were there because of a contract on the Beale Treasure I had with him in 1989. We were looking to metal detect on the beach for coins from the 1715 fleet. Mel was just moving into Sebastian to open up a new museum and cleaning shop. Taffi, Mel's daughter was guarding everything with a double-barrel shotgun before security had been set-up. Mel handdrawed a map for us of where his recovery ship was off of the beach. I had my dowsing rods with me and decided to try it out. Off to the south of the recovery ship about fifty feet and about 800 feet from shore, I was dowsing either gold and silver. When my brother and I got ready to return home, Mel took us out for a drink of double rum and coke. After feeling light headed from consuming my first alcohol, I put an "X" on Mel's handdrawn map and told him there was either a large amount of gold or silver at that location. This was during Christmas week 1989. Within a few weeks, Mel Fisher sent me a book on sunken ships in the Caribbean and off the east coast of Florida. He autographed the book and said "Thanks Albert for all your help" enclosed was a newspaper article where they recovered a large treasure from the "X" location I had drawn on Mel Fisher's Map. They recovered over $1.3 Million Dollars in gold and yellow diamonds. I still have a copy of the autograph. I don't know if I have the book or sold it. The newspaper article is in all of my research but I have not seen it for over twenty years. But anyway that is one of my dowsing stories with Mel Fisher.

Man o man, I just LOVE reading stuff about Mel Fisher like this!! Anybody else have some stories to relate? thnx. ~darylluke.

 

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[Red_desert]

Well, I do but so far have never bothered to put it into a post. Mel's Dad was an inventor, reason why we now can own metal detectors. Once Mel was looking for investors, he contacted someone who won the "Golden Hammer Award" in Mechanics Illustrated. Many years later, the son showed me the old copy of Mechanics Illustrated with their invention. Now Mel Fisher stopped in the see them, chat for a while.

Turns out the son's Dad had learned from a friend about L-rods. Both were Native American from the Miami tribe, professional stage magicians who did shows not only in the US but in other countries as well.The son really wanted to invest, but his dad later talked him out of it.

Mel told a story of wearing a shipwreck coin or medal, not sure which one. According to Mel he almost got mugged while on a trip in the south. The person attempting to rob Mel grabbed the treasure piece he had around his neck, then let go because it looked like a religious medal and took off.

It's interesting, since the house was very old and being of the Miami tribe, there is a concealed cave entrance under the porch. The area has bedrock from a limestone deposit which runs through a couple counties. The cave once held sacred by the Indians, gifts were often left as offerings by them at this site. Mel Fisher would have no doubt, walked right over the entrance and probably never knew about it.

At the time of my visit, met another stage magician who stopped in to pick up some old magician stuff. The son still had several of the stage equipment used in their shows. Apparently these were going to a larger collection, probably a museum. On the wall of one room, I spotted an original Blackstone poster to promote a show. Asking about it, he said they often did shows along with other stage magicians.

As it must be mentioned here, his dad enjoyed dowsing with the L-rods so much. A pair went along on every trip, everywhere and to other countries. Not ever to be used as a magic trick or slight of hands, but to locate missing people, minerals, whatever people want you to find. I'm sure Mel Fisher was completely informed about dowsing before going on his way.

 

[morbiusandneo]

Red, Thanks so much for that detailed story. VERY COOL STUFF!! It really is much better for all of us that so many simply do not believe dowsing actually works!! Mel Fisher profited handsomely from that fact! ~darylluke.

 

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The Indians in my area, were the ones who started the uprizing, that ended in the War of 1812. I live along the river once know as Miamis River. Interesting, I think I've found another heart rock (possibly another heart on a smaller heart carved over top) on our property. It was moved when the ground was excavated, before I helped my parents build the house we live in. So, don't know for sure where it had been originally, then the farmer used the field also. There are a lot of flint shards, once had been a village in the area, of Native Americans who met with Tecumseh in what is now a cornfield, down near Peru, Indiana. That is the limestone bedrock vicinity, not too far from and NE of the Miami sealed cave.

I noticed before my pink rock looked carved, but now looking closely, appears to be a heart. Took a lot of pics, different angles of view and dry, wet, is a pretty pinkish granite stone.

 

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Depending on how you look at it, the carving on top of the heart, kind of reminds me sometimes of a flying bird or a little heart over a heart.

I'm located about a 25-30 minute drive east of the "Princess City" named after Tecumseh's brother's daughter (a Miami princess). I mention more info about it in this post.

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/dowsing/353696-heart-rock.html#post3364542

 

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This is a the other heart carving, found in the front flower bed, is smaller on a blue-green variety of glaucophane which is a sodium amphibole rock. I posted a pic in the other thread, but these are closer better ones here.

 

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Last week I was checking around the back side of a rock pile and found this.....it looks like a stalagmite. The smaller piece was already found when we moved here. My L-rods kept giving me signals a couple weeks ago, spot on the back of rock pile where I picked it up.

 

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I looked at photos of stalactites and stalagmites on the Internet. Stalagmites are on the bottom, thick like what I've found, looks as if both pieces could be from the same stalagmite.

What makes me happy to think, is that these Indians who lived in the village, might have brought the stalagmite back with them from the cave NAs held sacred (when meeting Tecumseh near Peru, IN).

 

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Another spot my dowsing rods were swinging at pointing, the top of this rock pile. In the photo, it would be right below the tree trunk. I found a rounded end serrated style flint knife. It is so sharp if not careful, you might accidentally cut yourself.

 

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I was glad the flint knife had not even a speck of damage on it.

Putting in a new garden section (after we moved here), you can see what the tiller did to this spear point. Another smaller broken point next to it.

 

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I found a bow & arrow scraper once, in fairly good condition (it came from the same rock pile but near the far end). It looks nice on a book shelf sitting next to the flint knife found the other week. I've had this scraper a while, but is a sophisticated type for both arrows or bows.

All the rocks of course, were from our property when putting in the yard and garden areas. I need to check again with the dowsing rods, see if I've missed anything important.

 

[Red_desert]

Found one more thing that looked like it might be something, about the same spot the bow scraper (above) came from. My rods were pointing there, so hoping this was it. The color of flint matches what looks just like a stone drill bit found once. I know it would break if used to drill through wood. Perhaps they used the bit for making a hole in a clay pot, using the little finger end with water to make the hole larger.

I'm hoping the piece found last week is a scraper used for clay pots. One edge is the reverse or opposite of the other (put both edges together in top left corner of a pic). Most everything else is a light color flint, so both are a different type flint rock.

 

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Back side of the scraper and close ups of the stone bit.

 

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Have a third piece of this rare colored flint, already had this one. The color is a mix of blue which blends into reddish and amber flint. The bottom the color didn't photograph well, since the surface is flat very glossy smooth. Perhaps the 3 pieces were meant to be used together, the glossy smooth flat bottom edge might work for polishing sides clay pots while drying. Anyway, I kept this flint a few years ago, because the flat surface didn't look natural to me.

 

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Sorry, the pic showing the 2 edges compared in top left, seems to be missing. I'm only speculating on these, what they possibly could have been used for....any ideas?

The stone bit looks much to small for a seed drill. Found 2 holey stones that do appear to be shaped for either a hoe or seed drill. Both have one side worked down rather flat with a gentle slight curve to the tip. The largest of the pair, bottom is somewhat of a drill bit shape.

Then an obvious hoe, one side the entire surface is worked completely flat. I put the flat side agaist a wood door, edges touch perfectly all the way around. Opposite side has the slight curve towards the tip, same as the holey stones. Top thickness is 1/16" over 1/2" the bottom thickness is 1/6" under 1/2".

All 3 pieces are from the same type rock, the holes were formed naturally by water in streams.

 

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I was looking at gun flints on the Internet, some styles of muzzle loader types, resemble the flat rectangular smooth bottom blue mixed with reddish and amber colored one.

Have other flint oddities I'm wondering about now.

(Edit-Last photo might be the broken off tip of a point.)

 

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Apparently, there are many styles of gun flints. I think I've found a couple similar on the Internet. These 2 pics are to compare with what I've found above.

I'm adding a flint at first thought was a gun flint, but close up pics show signs of being carved. Perhaps the Indians carved up a gun flint.

 

[supertraq]

I prefer my metal detectors but yea dowsing works.The power company i worked for had the company that we just bought around 50 new altec aa600's from come in and give a week long course for us mechanics on the units..Well when i brought up that i metal detect he asked did we have any brass brazing rods,and yes we did..He bent the into L shape and proceeded to find coins we would hide under sheets of card board,i said b.s and he handed them to me,well it worked every time..I had no idea where they were hid but found them everytime..I still like my metal detectors better,they make noise and have icons to look at..

 

[aarthrj3811]

I prefer my metal detectors but yea dowsing works.The power company i worked for had the coaround 50 new altec aa600's from come in and give a week long course for us mechanics on the units..Well when i brought up that i metal detect he asked did we have any brass brazing rods,and yes we did..He bent the into L shape and proceeded to find coins we would hide under sheets of card board,i said b.s and he handed them to me,well it worked every time..I had no idea where they were hid but found them everytime..I still like my metal detectors better,they make noise and have icons to look at..mpany that we just bought

There are a lot of people that have learned the truth in that manner....what tools you use is your own business....Art

 

[Red_desert]

I have a metal detector, but in the back area, you can walk with the detector for 30 feet and not get a single beep. There are a few iron pieces to find, not too exciting, even those can be far and few between. I used to like the beeps, now wish they had a button to a silent mode. If I'm going to take along a metal detector, to check dowsed signals (especially a public place), it would be nice to have a silent mode. You can't dowse while holding a detector, so lay it down nearby. This means headphones will be a hassel, since you're going to pick up the detector and lay it down again. In a public place the beeps would annoy people. I was going to try putting an adapter jack (without the headphones), see how that works, didn't get around to it yet.

All that is needed if checking with a detector, the icons and target id.