East TN arrowhead

[cafvol99]

Looking to get a little information on an arrowhead I found roughly 10 years ago. I found this arrowhead in a creek off the french broad river in knoxville tennessee.

 

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[Tdog]

I'd say it's a Kirk Corner Notched point...

https://www.projectilepoints.net/Points/Kirk_Corner.html

 

[Relicgrubber]

Looks like one of those novelty arrowheads. I'm not say it is...

but it does look like one.

 

[cafvol99]

yea Tfdog that's what I thought myself but I figured i'd still ask

and Relicgrubber that's wild. this one isn't a novelty..I found this one covered in mud in a creek on a large piece of private land. the pictures make it look darker than it is

 

[Quartzite Keith]

I think it's Early Archaic, corner notched, with enough size it was likely a hafted knife, so Kirk is as a good a name as any. I understand where Relicgrubber is coming from. The one face looks like it was kind of BSed. In this case, though, I think you're okay. Especially with the knife forms where they wanted those higher width to thickness ratios, and especially when working tough rock, the strategy shown here isn't all that uncommon. The piece started as a large flake/small spall, flat on one side, domed on the other. The knapper aggressively flaked the domed side to flatten out the biface as much as possible (and did a good job of it) but ignored the flat side other than to punch or pressure flake the finished edge. If the knife wasn't lost and got resharpened a bunch of times, it would have ended up looking more like a biface and less unifacial. I see this kind thing with some regularity on the bigger quartzite bifaces.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Without holding this one I'd be a little apprehensive calling it ancient. JMO

 

[joshuaream]

The material also has me apprehensive. I respect Quartzite Keith’s view on knapping & reduction, but that green and red material and the form scream India.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

That and the fresh crushing in the notches.

 

[cafvol99]

I appreciate the input quartzite kieth. and as i stated above there is zero percent chance that this is a fake or a novelty

 

[cafvol99]

That and the fresh crushing in the notches.

That's actually just dirt that was never cleaned off from when I found it

 

[Hawks88]

Welcome to tnet from Niagara Falls. I’m no expert on points but that’s a nice one.

 

[Tdog]

What's the material? Looks like novaculite to me.

 

[cafvol99]

here are a few more photos....

 

[cafvol99]

What's the material? Looks like novaculite to me.

couldn't even begin to tell you

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I appreciate the input quartzite kieth. and as i stated above there is zero percent chance that this is a fake or a novelty

Cafvol99, actually the possibility is greater than you think. This is not the first India type we have seen on here that someone actually found on a hunt and sometimes in remote areas. See, the thing is, these are imported buy the thousands and sold at every museum gift shop, rock shop, and tourist traps along the highway. Our local museum has a large basket full of them at $2 each.

Now, couple that with the hundred upon hundreds of kids that have bought these while on field trips or vacations. Add that to some that very likely tried mounting them on sticks and throwing them at things and losing them. If they get in a creek it's hard to say how far it will tumble along before finally being found.

I honestly hope it's real and ancient, but as I stated before I am very apprehensive saying it is. The material, notching, and type are classic India type traits.

 

[smokeythecat]

I think it's neat!

 

[Twitch]

It's 100% not old or ancient. Not at all questioning whether you found. People sometimes salt locations and the next guy then finds a modern point in an ancient setting.

 

[cafvol99]

Well yea that makes sense and all, had it been found somewhere relatively close to the type of location that you described above. Im obviously no expert otherwise i wouldnt be posting here asking about it, however, based on where i found this im one thousand percent confident it's not fake. When i say i found it on a large private property i meant a family owned for nearly 70 years, 60 acre, private property and found in a small creek back in the woods about 300 yds from the french broad river. It's definitely not the type of area for field trips. There's basically no chance that someone has bought a fake, drove to the property, wandered back into the woods, found the creek and then decided to bury their inda type novelty down in the creek bed. I do appreciate all the posts though and i suppose i will take it to a local professional to get it checked out in person.

 

[cafvol99]

It's 100% not old or ancient. Not at all questioning whether you found. People sometimes salt locations and the next guy then finds a modern point in an ancient setting.

what exactly tells you for 100% fact that it's not old or ancient?

 

[arrow86]

What looks modern about it is the flat areas and especially around the edges where it has a consistent width almost looks like a grinder was used