Evasion Coins

[undertaker]

I purchased this 1775 British evasion coin recently to spice up a display of revolutionary war artifacts that I have dug metal detecting. It seems like there are more non regal coins of this date than regal. I never realized how many counterfit coppers were produced in the 1700's. My question is did many of these evasion coin enter the U.S. or did they mainly stay overseas? Are non regal coins as collectable as regal coins? Also whats the best way to determine a regal coin from a non regal...The size and weight?

 

[Don in SJ]

Re: EVASION COINS

Your copper is not an Evasion Halfpenny.

Evasions were made by counterfeiters with obverse and reverse designs similar to Regal coins, BUT with deviated legends such as "George Rules" instead of George III Rex; "Brition Isles" instead of "Brittania" or "Hebrides" instead of "Hibernia" for some of the known examples.

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinText/Evasion.1.html


Weight on that coin most likely would tell you if counterfeit or not, since it has so much detail, it should weigh in the 140 grain range, if it is under say, 125 grains than most likely a counterfeit.

Looking at what a Regal 1775 KGIII looks like I see differences on both the Obverse and Reverse from the Regal, so I am almost certain it is a counterfeit, regardless of weight.

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/Counterfeits_page1.html (This site has examples of Regal and some counterfeits)

http://www.geocities.com/copperclem/75122CVSc4.jpg (This is an excellent photo of a Regal 1775)

Don

 

[Don in SJ]

As far as your question on actual Evasions being sent to this country, for the most part, no, they stayed in Britain. Counterfeits by far are more collectible and valuable than Regals in America, due to the number of collectors desiring them, thus supply and demand.

In my survey of counterfeits, almost all KGIII coppers that are ground found are counterfeits; and most authors on the subject have King George III coppers in the 90% range being counterfeit and the KGII coppers about 40% or so.

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/CtfBrit.intro.html

http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Imitation.intro.html

Don

 

[undertaker]

Lets see if I have this right....My coin is not a evasion coin because it doesn't have george rules or other out of the ordinary embossing. The coin I have is lighter than a regal coin 97.2 grains so it is more than likly a counterfit. So we have three types...evasion coins...counterfit coins and regal coins is this right. Were these counterfit coins made in the year that they are dated?

 

[Iron Patch]

Lets see if I have this right....My coin is not a evasion coin because it doesn't have george rules or other out of the ordinary embossing. The coin I have is lighter than a regal coin 97.2 grains so it is more than likly a counterfit. So we have three types...evasion coins...counterfit coins and regal coins is this right. Were these counterfit coins made in the year that they are dated?

That's it for the most part but there are also hybrids that fall somewhere in between the two. Counterfeits the years more matched the regal years but evasions things really went out the window and is common for king's to not match the dates. That also happens on counterfeits but are far more valuable probably being a muling of two counterfeit dies not really meant to go together. Believe it or not, there is a period Hibernia Halfpenny dated 1969. I find evasions interesting but am much more into counterfeits, not that I collect but it's a fun topic.

 

[Martin1982]

Hi everyone,I've got this 1776 halfpenny. which I believe is a mule or some sought,I believe it's a mule or some sought.As
It as the wrong George for that year on the reverse of the coin.if anyone could give me some info that would be great.thanks

 

[ironhorse]

to Martin

actually yours would probably fit this category (evasion) the legend in your coin says "GLORUIS " near as I can tell

an evasion would be a sub category of counterfeits in this case

 

[jerseyben]

Hi everyone,I've got this 1776 halfpenny. which I believe is a mule or some sought,I believe it's a mule or some sought.As
It as the wrong George for that year on the reverse of the coin.if anyone could give me some info that would be great.thanks

You are correct. It is a 1776 dated Irish halfpenny mule, contemporary counterfeit (non-regal) of British manufacture.