Every Day

[aarthrj3811]

Every day we are told how great Double Blind tests are. Almost every day we are told that some drug that passed a Double Blind test is killing people. Every day we are told facts about dowsing with no proof. Every day we are told that we are idiots and don’t know what we know. Every day what we post is twisted and spun so you can not tell what was posted in the first place. Every day some one new makes a post and is attacked. Every day there are many post that provide no information to those that are interested in dowsing. Every day I answer questions as I understand them. Every day I try to give answers that I think will help dowsers.

Some days I feel I have accomplished nothing. Some days I feel good about my answers. Some days I think that skeptics have accomplished a little. Some days I think that I should let the people who know nothing about dowsing have this forum. Some days I get tired of answering the same old stupid questions. Some days I think I should just give up.

Every day I know that I am a dowser and that I am one of the many that read this forum. Every day I know that many people come to this forum for information about dowsing. Every day I feel sorry that they are denied the opportunity to find out about dowsing.
Every day I feel that the false information may be keeping some one from learning.

Every day I will tell all that will listen that dowsing is real and will always be real despite those that seek to discredit and deceive people about the real facts. You see that I know dowsing works and no amount of false information or how many post they put on the forum will change my knowledge….Art

 

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[Tom_in_CA]

Art, well I, for one, am glad you do not give up. I would not know the opinions of dowsers, if the few of you didn't stick around to answer questions. I apologize in advance, for un-civil tones you get.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Thanks Tom....I try to answer until I determine who and what kind of person I am trying to answer....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Every day we are told how great Double Blind tests are. Almost every day we are told that some drug that passed a Double Blind test is killing people. Every day we are told facts about dowsing with no proof. Every day we are told that we are idiots and don’t know what we know. Every day what we post is twisted and spun so you can not tell what was posted in the first place. Every day some one new makes a post and is attacked. Every day there are many post that provide no information to those that are interested in dowsing. Every day I answer questions as I understand them. Every day I try to give answers that I think will help dowsers.

Howdy, Art!

If you want to rant about twisting and spinning and not being able to tell who posted what, go back and look at your own posts. You are easily the worst offender in this forum. Fact is, you can't even remember what you've written in the past, let alone what someone else has said.

It's been said that the truth never changes. If that's true, then why can you not get your stories straight, Art?

Every day I feel that the false information may be keeping some one from learning.

You've spoken of this false information before, Art, yet you seem to have no idea which information is correct, and which is not.

I, for one, will not apologize for un-civil tones.

You've accused me of everything from using multiple accounts to trying to turn your words around against you to being close-minded, but never once has this been true.

I've been asking for years how dowsing works, why dowsing works, and for proof that dowsing works, and not once has anyone been able to produce this information.

You, Art, are the single worst offender when it comes to avoiding simple questions, randomly starting new subjects in the middle of a conversation, making wild accusations with no proof, and stating the most outrageous claims about dowsing and then getting defensive when someone questions those claims.

I drive a car. Ask me how it works, and I can tell you.
I metal detect. Ask me how it works, and I can tell you.
I use a computer. Ask me how it works, and I can tell you.

You dowse. How does that work?

 

[aarthrj3811]

I was looking at a Dowsing study from the University of Utah where they tested 150 non dowsers…More proof that when we tell you most people can dowse that it has been tested. The study is named 1971 CHADWICK and JENSEN

http://www.scimednet.org/Articles/SPSmiller.htm

http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/Dowsing.htm

 

[ClonedSIM]

I was looking at a Dowsing study from the University of Utah where they tested 150 non dowsers…More proof that when we tell you most people can dowse that it has been tested. The study is named 1971 CHADWICK and JENSEN

http://www.scimednet.org/Articles/SPSmiller.htm

http://www.tricksterbook.com/ArticlesOnline/Dowsing.htm

And here I thought double blind testing meant nothing to you?

 

[aarthrj3811]

And here I thought double blind testing meant nothing to you?

Show where Dowsers have every passed a Double Blind test….I have given you many test results and the results of these test are only as honest as the people who gave them…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

And here I thought double blind testing meant nothing to you?

Show where Dowsers have every passed a Double Blind test….I have given you many test results and the results of these test are only as honest as the people who gave them…Art

There's a reason a dowser has never passed a double blind test, Art. If you weren't so blind, you could see that.

 

[aarthrj3811]

There's a reason a dowser has never passed a double blind test, Art. If you weren't so blind, you could see that.

I don't understand that.....Please explain...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

There's a reason a dowser has never passed a double blind test, Art. If you weren't so blind, you could see that.

I don't understand that.....Please explain...Art

Easily done.

A true double blind test completely eliminates the possibility of guessing as a method of passing the test. When dowsers are stripped of their ability to use context clues and research to locate targets, they are left with guessing. No Guessing=No Passing.

You would not pass a double blind test, Dell would not pass a double blind test, no dowser on this forum would pass a double blind test.

Any more questions?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Easily done.

A true double blind test completely eliminates the possibility of guessing as a method of passing the test. When dowsers are stripped of their ability to use context clues and research to locate targets, they are left with guessing. No Guessing=No Passing.

You would not pass a double blind test, Dell would not pass a double blind test, no dowser on this forum would pass a double blind test.

It is hard for one person to be on both sides of a Double Blind Test…Art

A double-blind test is a control group test where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are controls. A randomized test is one that randomly assigns items to the control and the experimental groups.
The purpose of controls, double-blind, and randomized testing is to reduce error, self-deception and bias. An example should clarify the necessity of these safeguards.
Double-blind trials
Double-blind describes an especially stringent way of conducting an experiment, usually on human subjects, in an attempt to eliminate subjective bias on the part of both experimental subjects and the experimenters. In most cases, double-blind experiments are held to achieve a higher standard of scientific rigour.
In a double-blind experiment, neither the individuals nor the researchers know who belongs to the control group and the experimental group. Only after all the data are recorded (and in some cases, analyzed) do the researchers learn which individuals are which. Performing an experiment in double-blind fashion is a way to lessen the influence of the prejudices and unintentional physical cues on the results (the placebo effect, observer bias, and experimenter's bias). Random assignment of the subject to the experimental or control group is a critical part of double-blind research design. The key that identifies the subjects and which group they belonged to is kept by a third party and not given to the researchers until the study is over.
Double-blind methods can be applied to any experimental situation where there is the possibility that the results will be affected by conscious or unconscious bias on the part of the experimenter.
Computer-controlled experiments are sometimes also referred to as double-blind experiments, since software should not cause any bias. In analogy to the above, the part of the software that provides interaction with the human is the blinded researcher, while the part of the software that defines the key is the third party. An example is the ABX test, where the human subject has to identify an unknown stimulus X as being either A or B.

 

[ClonedSIM]

And your point is?

We (skeptics) already know what a double blind experiment is. Was this post for your benefit?

 

[aarthrj3811]

You would not pass a double blind test, Dell would not pass a double blind test, no dowser on this forum would pass a double blind test.

We (skeptics) already know what a double blind experiment is. Was this post for your benefit?

I posted that so everybody would know what and how Double Blind Test work. Got any more words that you want to me to look up?Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

You would not pass a double blind test, Dell would not pass a double blind test, no dowser on this forum would pass a double blind test.

We (skeptics) already know what a double blind experiment is. Was this post for your benefit?

I posted that so everybody would know what and how Double Blind Test work. Got any more words that you want to me to look up?Art

The question is, did you learn anything by looking it up?

 

[aarthrj3811]

The question is, did you learn anything by looking it up?

I already knew what a Double Blind Test is all about. There is also a lot of web sites that tell you how to set one up and the most important thing seems to be who is running the test and how many people are needed…..Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

The question is, did you learn anything by looking it up?

I already knew what a Double Blind Test is all about. There is also a lot of web sites that tell you how to set one up and the most important thing seems to be who is running the test and how many people are needed…..Art

Of course it's not. Reread your definition.

The most important items are the randomization and anonymity, which eliminates error and bias.

 

[aarthrj3811]

A double-blind test is a control group test where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are controls

I guess you read so fast that you missed this sentence…..control group test…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

A double-blind test is a control group test where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are controls

I guess you read so fast that you missed this sentence…..control group test…Art

Do you know what anonymity means, Art?

"A double-blind test is a control group test where neither the evaluator nor the subject knows which items are controls."

 

[aarthrj3811]

control group

You are trying hard to ignore the fact that one person is not a group…I see no more need to discuss this more….Art

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

ARF: You said-->

"no dowser on this forum would pass a double blind test.
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That is very presumptive of you, and indicates a completely closed mind, definitely not a scientific one.

Don Jose de La Mancha