If you want a debate, mendo, then here:
What "opposing points" have I been "arguing"? I was telling you my limited experience and am open to learning.
If you have 10 years worth of "boots on the ground" and a year worth of work put into a brief, why not post an easily digestible summary or a link to someone else's. Why all the toxicity, you don't want allies? Maybe that's part of why your plight is failing.
Yeah, maybe my friends were mistaken, maybe I interpreted it wrong, maybe they were referring to this "New state law governing the use of vacuum or suction dredge equipment, otherwise known as suction dredging, is now in effect, as of January 1, 2016. (Stats. 2015, ch. 680, §§ 2-3.)" That's a talking point that n01d3x was able to correct me on without flying off the handle.
"when in all reality you have been told that it is harmless by me and others" is it harmless?
"just like nobody can PROVE dredging causes no harm" oh, debating yourself.
I'm not
trying to define anything. I was sharing an opinion, open to correction.
My head is too large to fit in your dredge. "POOF!"
I was asking, in response to someone else, about the State of california burning cabins and taking property. Have they been?
You bring up salt vs freshwater, but I don't know why because it all goes downstream to the ocean, and I eat more than one type of fish. First link on google.
Mercury's Silent Toll On the World's Wildlife - Yale E360
Mercury plays havoc on vertebrates’ development and their neurological and hormonal systems, and doses too low to kill can cause problems that aren’t always obvious in the wild, experts say. “Methylmercury is one of most toxic environmental pollutants we’ve ever come upon,” says Gary Heinz, a recently retired federal wildlife biologist who studied it over four decades.
It goes on...
And again "nobody can PROVE dredging causes no harm"
I'm not concerned that I said sierra club or fund or vice versa. Reed has already pointed out they're both suspect. I already read some of the lake combie thread, and have already stated that I don't support the way they are doing it.
As an ex-Californian, I've never killed or seen a dead fish caused by dredging. Fishermen kill fish.... Not gold dredgers, it's the plain truth. A fisherman believing some fool telling him that dredgers kill fish seems really idiotic to me. Fishermen kill fish... Duh... In 2011 my Gold dredging business was filed as a complete loss. I'm not really trying to be rude here, but only an idiot who kills fish, would try blaming the fishes deaths on someone who doesn't kill them. The envirowaco's have sure done a number on you fishermen... They made you all look like idiots to the innocent, took your money to fight against dredgers who actually provide food for the fish... Stupid is as stupid does, and this is the envirowaco's pulling the wool over all of your eyes. The Karuk Indians use nets and take fish by the thousands, so how can we miners even compare? Doesn't it seem funny that just as California was entering it's deepest economical depression in decades back in 2008-09, just as so many people were being put out of work, and so many of them were turning to gold mining for a living, that the state ran by the envirowaco's made it illegal to gold mine? Just like in the late 60's to mid 70's, Californians have always been easily able to make a living gold mining, and have always turned back to mining in times of need. The great depression of the 30's was never felt in California's rich gold country. This time in 2009, they purposely took mining out of the picture to plunge California deeper into debt, and if you look at the big picture, it has become a state that will Not legally allow itself to ever recover... A sanctuary state that spends billions to feed illegal's, while they push the legal citizens farther into the gutter.
Then there's those idiot fishermen blaming others for their own sell-fish dirty work... Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=POccSVWpcwE
And to think that around 15 years ago, the Karuk just wanted to become recognised so that they could open a casino to prostitute out our children...
California? No! State of Jefferson? Yes...
Calling people idiots, fools, stupid, and wacos. Interesting defense. Are you also saying dredging is harmless? What about that 8" dredge that could "suck my head in POOF!"
I eat the fish I kill. You may not be able to see a fry get sucked up, and you may not be able to see the effects of mercury on the environment, but be sure that "nobody can PROVE dredging causes no harm".
Ah, yes, the "we're feeding fish" defense. Where would the fish be without humans wrecking their habitat and then hand feeding them.
"the state ran by envirowackos"
So california is the only state banning dredging? Because I thought other states were too, and the BLM and FS (federal) were the "enemies" burning down cabins. But oh no, it's the envirowackos in california.
You really think banning mining was purposely done to "plunge California deeper into debt"?
The native americans should be held to the same standards as we are. They shouldn't have a "free run" on any resources.
The native americans are prostituting out our children?
I ask again:
Do you not want allies?
