has anyone actually read the 23 proposals about guns?

[davest]

or is this the same thing as the birth certificate nonsense?

Here they are:

1; Issua a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
(no taking anyones guns away there)

2.Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states
from making information available to the background check system. (no taking anyones guns away there)

3. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping
through the cracks. (no taking anyones guns away there)

4.Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. (no taking anyones guns away there)

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
(no taking anyones gun away there, unless it has been seized for a reason, you know, like being used in an armed robbery or a threat)

6 Publish a letter from ATF to federally licenced gun dealers providing guidelines on how to run background checks for private sales.
(no taking anyones guns away there)

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. (can't have that, no ones guns are being taken away)

8. Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. (no taking anyone
but a criminals gun away there)

9. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes. (Consumer Product Safety Commission, no ones guns are being taken away on this one)

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement (NTAGAY)
((psst, that means NO TAKING ANYONES GUNS AWAY YET))

11. Nominate an ATF Director that the republican party can possibly vote for (NTAGAY)

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.(NTAGAY)

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crimes.(NTAGAY)

14. Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Center for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. (NTAGAY)

15. Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the avialability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the
private sector to develop innovative technologies. (NTAGAY)

16. Clarify that the Affordabla Care Act does not prohibit doctors from asking their patients about gins in their homes. (NATGAY)

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement
authorities. (NTAGAY)

18. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship, and institutions of higher learning. (NTAGAY)

19. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resourse officers. (NTAGAY)

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. (NTAGAY)

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. (NTAGAY)

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. (NTAGAY)

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

So, as you can all see, there ain't a thing that President Obama has proposed that says he's going to take your guns away, btw, this is all available for you to see with your own eyes just use the google.

 

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[1981Eagle]

So, as you can all see, there ain't a thing that President Obama has proposed that says he's going to take your guns away, btw, this is all available for you to see with your own eyes just use the google.

And your point? Just because Obama realized that he can't nullify the 2nd Amendment, and just because he can't 'take away guns' through executive order .... that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to, and doesn't despise civilian ownership of firearms .... has has as much said so in his life, and through his votes in the Senate and Illinois Legislature.

Trust me, given the chance to sign anything that removes gun rights, or diminishing the 2nd Amendment - he'll sign! Wait and see!

 

[onfire]

Dave that's the one he want's you to read. I take it you were never involved in a contract. the old switch one word and it's over. just like the health care act this one will be maybe 10k worth of pages. It's like Obama's constitution it's all in how you interpret it.

 

[bevo]

incentives?database?east germany!

 

[Frankn]

Davest, I don't think you understand. Most of those items are aimed at registering guns, that is finding there location. You have to know where they are before you can try to take them away. Keep this in mind. This whole thing is in response to the school killings with an "assault" rifle, when in fact there was no "assault" rifle there. They were killed with pistols. And what is the big spender paying for this useless effort? I think I heard it will cost $500M. Try jestifying that. Frank

 

[0121stockpicker]

or is this the same thing as the birth certificate nonsense?

Here they are:

1; Issua a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
(no taking anyones guns away there)

2.Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states
from making information available to the background check system. (no taking anyones guns away there)

3. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping
through the cracks. (no taking anyones guns away there)

4.Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. (no taking anyones guns away there)

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
(no taking anyones gun away there, unless it has been seized for a reason, you know, like being used in an armed robbery or a threat)

6 Publish a letter from ATF to federally licenced gun dealers providing guidelines on how to run background checks for private sales.
(no taking anyones guns away there)

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. (can't have that, no ones guns are being taken away)

8. Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. (no taking anyone
but a criminals gun away there)

9. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes. (Consumer Product Safety Commission, no ones guns are being taken away on this one)

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement (NTAGAY)
((psst, that means NO TAKING ANYONES GUNS AWAY YET))

11. Nominate an ATF Director that the republican party can possibly vote for (NTAGAY)

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.(NTAGAY)

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crimes.(NTAGAY)

14. Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Center for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. (NTAGAY)

15. Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the avialability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the
private sector to develop innovative technologies. (NTAGAY)

16. Clarify that the Affordabla Care Act does not prohibit doctors from asking their patients about gins in their homes. (NATGAY)

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement
authorities. (NTAGAY)

18. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship, and institutions of higher learning. (NTAGAY)

19. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resourse officers. (NTAGAY)

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. (NTAGAY)

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. (NTAGAY)

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. (NTAGAY)

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

So, as you can all see, there ain't a thing that President Obama has proposed that says he's going to take your guns away, btw, this is all available for you to see with your own eyes just use the google.

There we go again letting facts get in the way of a great conspiracy theory.

Don't you get that Obama is in cahoots with the UN, the illuminati, the bilderberg group, the mason, knights templars, apple computer, microsoft and skull and crossbones to take over the world!! Get with it dude, you are totally missing the big picture!!!

Can any of you people who belief your "freedom" is at risk please tell me what is actually going to happen to us all ??

 

[truckinbutch]

There we go again letting facts get in the way of a great conspiracy theory.

Don't you get that Obama is in cahoots with the UN, the illuminati, the bilderberg group, the mason, knights templars, apple computer, microsoft and skull and crossbones to take over the world!! Get with it dude, you are totally missing the big picture!!!

Can any of you people who belief your "freedom" is at risk please tell me what is actually going to happen to us all ??

Only time will tell . The history will be written by the winners .

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

My fear isn't in being wrong, my biggest fear is in being right....

There is no doubt obama is a Socialist Marxist and he does not respect this country, his policies are the same tried and failed in Europe.. He has given aid to our enemies and he is attacking our rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.it is one lie after another from him and his mouth pieces....

 

[0121stockpicker]

We've been a "socialist" country since FDR in case you havnt noticed. Most would prob argue that having some kind of social safety net is not a bad thing for a country?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The social policies he is pushing have already failed in Europe. I am tired of subsidizing the lazy in this country.

What has he done for this country, our economy is still in the toilet, he has added more debt than any president in history and continues to do so. He has no respect for our flag, our soldiers, our country or our Bill of Rights.....

 

[onfire]

funny Biden took the oath Sunday with his hand on the Bible But were was our King's hand? (In every one's pocket) In fact it was so cold here today I saw a Democrat with both his hands in someone Else's pockets.

 

[bevo]

We dont have to ask what will happen,just look to the past.do you think we are so far "advanced"that what
has already happened to others cant happen to us?Have we as humans grown,or just technology?The romans were about as tough
as they come or ever will.what happened to them?our leader hates your guts and mine and everything America stands for.
its plain as daylight.I support all the rights that the constitution gives us,most people only care when it effects them
personally.what they dont realize is they all are important.
Our for fathers fought and died to obtain these freedoms.To escape the bondage of the old world,and now a great number of our society want to go running back.well ive lived in europe,and they dont know the meaning of freedom like we do.Its part of us,its in our hearts.weve had easy for so long we have become complacent.I feel as if im screeming at a wall,a wall of bs erected by liberal
schools,media"leaders" so on and so on.
The things our for fathers warned us about are happening before our very eyes.
WE were born in the greatest nation that ever was or will be.This country is the great experiment,the model of true freedom.
and all parts of our freedom make it so.
I could go on and on.
Is there no one to pick up the torch?

 

[davest]

exackery what freedoms have been taken away from you? Not the "just wait and see" ones, not the "well it could happen ones" . what freedoms are you missing that you had in 2005 and don't have any more.

TH, I'm tired of subsidizing wealthy corporations and a bloated military establishment. What does one do that makes them worth $11,000.00 per hour 24/7/365

That's what each walmart kid gets in income as of last year. Tell me again how hard they work.

And since ya'll have e. s. p, would you privately email me the winning powerball numbers.

 

[Gold Maven]

We need to get back to the great Republic that this nation once was.

Where one person's rights can not be taken away.

Not a democracy where majority rules, let's try and remember where we came from.

 

[Gold Maven]

exackery what freedoms have been taken away from you? Not the "just wait and see" ones, not the "well it could happen ones" . what freedoms are you missing that you had in 2005 and don't have any more.

TH, I'm tired of subsidizing wealthy corporations and a bloated military establishment. What does one do that makes them worth $11,000.00 per hour 24/7/365

That's what each walmart kid gets in income as of last year. Tell me again how hard they work.

And since ya'll have e. s. p, would you privately email me the winning powerball numbers.

http://www.nyclu.org/pdfs/eroding_liberty.pdf

there you go.

 

[diggummup]

Dave that's the one he want's you to read. I take it you were never involved in a contract. the old switch one word and it's over. just like the health care act this one will be maybe 10k worth of pages. It's like Obama's constitution it's all in how you interpret it.

Yup, the devil is in the details.

 

[dieselram94]

exackery what freedoms have been taken away from you? Not the "just wait and see" ones, not the "well it could happen ones" . what freedoms are you missing that you had in 2005 and don't have any more.

TH, I'm tired of subsidizing wealthy corporations and a bloated military establishment. What does one do that makes them worth $11,000.00 per hour 24/7/365

That's what each walmart kid gets in income as of last year. Tell me again how hard they work.

And since ya'll have e. s. p, would you privately email me the winning powerball numbers.

Dave, are you serious? What freedoms have been taken? how about obamacare, the right to due process, as well as many others. Get a grip! You are a socialist, but me and most Americans are not we are capitalists. A "bloated military establishment", have you really looked at our dangerous world? Maybe you ought to read up on Iran for instance, a little more important than who got thrown off the island you know. And as far as subsidizing wealthy corporations goes, just what subsidies are you speaking of? The ones the media says are there? Or do you mean Berkshire Hathaway (owes over a billion dollars of back taxes), or maybe GE (doesn't pay any taxes)? Both are in obama's camp. If we did so much subsidizing why do so many companies and individuals move off shore to escape some of the highest taxes in the world? And as far as how much each Walmart kid gets in income, it is NONE of yours or mines business. This is America not communist Russia. If we punish success as you would like to see were is the incentive to be a winner? I don't mean to be harsh but it has to be said. I for one am not ashamed of being a Capitalist

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

exackery what freedoms have been taken away from you? Not the "just wait and see" ones, not the "well it could happen ones" . what freedoms are you missing that you had in 2005 and don't have any more.

TH, I'm tired of subsidizing wealthy corporations and a bloated military establishment. What does one do that makes them worth $11,000.00 per hour 24/7/365

That's what each walmart kid gets in income as of last year. Tell me again how hard they work.

And since ya'll have e. s. p, would you privately email me the winning powerball numbers.

Dave, many people working in walmart are there because they do not have the skill sets to work somewhere else. Now due to poor economy last 4 years some may be there because of losing their job and that was the only one they can find and or some are retired...

Some people make poor life choices, don't apply their selves in school or just quit school, don't pursue a trade, don't even think how will I support myself 10 years from now and they pay for that later in life and it is not my responsibility to subsidize them because they made poor choices. i believe in capitalism, this country was founded on that principle, I do not believe in Socialism or Marxism ...Corporations are what produces the jobs, yes it sucks sometimes when you read so and so made 51 million as CEO of SO and SO company, but so what.... That is what the company was willing to pay him.....

I have no problem with our military budget, the world is a scary place and I have always believed we should be the one with the biggest stick....Are you really serious, what freedoms have we lost....How about all the freedoms we have lost in the patriot act. Yes it was written during Bush era, but has obama use his executive action stamp to get rid of it, no he endorses it too...I am not going to stand around and wait while he strips the 2nd amendment. Dem are already talking about limits to the 1st amendments....

obama said he was going to fundamental change America, problem was many people didn't know he meant into a socialist marxist country. I believe in a republic and in capitalism, even if I am lower middle class........I do not believe the government owes me subsides to live on so I can sit home and do nothing, it is my responsibility to go earn a paycheck for what I want....

 

[bevo]

I am one of those losers that dropped out of school.kicked around not doing much for the following ten years.
my family wouldnt kick me out cause they loved me.till one day I realized they would not be there for me forever.
I got a chance to learn how to frame,kicked myself out of home,moved 350 miles away,and began the slow process
of being an adult.
Now I have to face the fact that it has ******ed my advancement in life substantially.I will have no ss check when im older
and no 401.
But I did stop using meth 10 yrs ago and now have my gen contracting lic.All on my own,no help from the govt.
no programs,nothing but guts and the grace of God.
IM tired of paying for those who gave up,im tired of supporting people cuase they have kids.
not because they are good parents,just because they are parents.
We see handicapped people working here or there and they are proud and happy to have the chance.
while perfectly healthy people waiting for their nut check or what have you.
makes me sick.at least moneys sent to "big bussiness" have potential to create more money,not just
throwing it down a hole.
as long as youre sucking in air you can still reach your boot straps,and as long as blood is flowing in your
veins its your duty to reach for said boot straps.
Im proud to be an ex loser

 

[bevo]

that is set back my advancement.the word that was censored was used correctly.