has anyone seen pottery with disigns on the interior?

[GatorBoy]

Found a couple recently. This is both sides.

 

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[GatorBoy]

Cool! I would love to see more examples.

 

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[Glenn C]

I have come across plenty of shards in different areas with different patterns. It seems to be from the middle of the pot and not the rim. I cant recall seeing any shards with patterns on both sides. Cool find!

 

[GatorBoy]

If you saw all the pottery I have seen in my area! This is only number three ever and only site. Thanks.

 

[RGINN]

Cool. In the Plains Village Farmer era and Washita culture there is no evidence that I know of of designs inside the pot. There was no need for it. We find the cord markings on the outside of a lot and smooth on others. It will be interesting if someone knows the reason for designs inside the pot. (Oh yeah, improved heat conduction. haha, just joking)

 

[GatorBoy]

Haha... I hope to see more examples. I have alot of cord marked and incised paddle stamped here. Alot of other designs but I wont get into all that now.at least locally pottery can tell you more about a site than the lithics. I've done alot of studying the types and distribution. Thanks for the reply my friend.

 

[Tnmountains]

Found a couple recently. This is both sides.

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Are you sure it is not the outside of a curved rim? That would give the impression of it being on the inside. I have found many flared tops that could pass for being on the inside. Just a thought. The pattern served two purposes right? I.D of the clan or group and texture cause it got greasy.

 

[larson1951]

we have lots of rim pcs that have designs on the inside and outside but they are only by the rim area
never really any deeper than an inch

 

[NC field hunter]

we have lots of rim pcs that have designs on the inside and outside but they are only by the rim area
never really any deeper than an inch

I noticed that. That is cool!

 

[larson1951]

we have lots of rim pcs that have designs on the inside and outside but they are only by the rim area
never really any deeper than an inch

here are four front and back shots of what i mean
they are in the same order on each shot
the one on the lower right does have designs on the inside view (2nd image)

 

[larson1951]

we have lots of rim pcs that have designs on the inside and outside but they are only by the rim area
never really any deeper than an inch

here are four front and back shots of what i meanView attachment 677612View attachment 677613

sorry for the double post

 

[Glenn C]

I went through the to clean stuff and found 2 shards with patterns on both sides that are not rim shards.

Here is the pics

 

[GatorBoy]

Ha..cool to see those. I wonder what the purpose was? All I can come up with is that it would distinguish the makers.

 

[Tnmountains]

GatorBoy each site was also identified by its pottery. I do not get into it that much but some guys I know can look at my pottery and tell me exactly where it came from in a stretch with over 50 sites in less than a 20 mile area. This was especially true in our Dallas phase or late Mississippian era when everyone got very creative with everything before contact. How was the pottery made if not by coiled cord if I may ask? We studied ancient pottery and went out and dug clay and crushed mussel shells in mortars and pestles and mixed it up made pottery and fired it. Looks just like Tn red Clay pottery.We incised and/or used cord wrapped paddles and pottery shaping sticks. I have a bunch of pottery old and new.
Always learning huh?

 

[Tnmountains]

I went through the to clean stuff and found 2 shards with patterns on both sides that are not rim shards.

Here is the pics

Glenn the inside are coil marks on yours. All in a line and then smoothed out. You coil up your pot and then smooth it down keeping it wet. My guess.

 

[Harry Pristis]

Glenn the inside are coil marks on yours. All in a line and then smoothed out. You coil up your pot and then smooth it down keeping it wet. My guess.

I agree with TN, these are construction marks - marks left by a wooden smoothing tool. In fact, 'Stefen' nailed it earlier in this thread: any interior marks are smoothing marks left by tooling the interior as the pot was built using coil after coil of clay.

The probability that Native Americans potters deliberately decorated the interior of a pot seems to me so negligible as to approach zero.

Think about it. You're building a pot, and you don't have a turntable. You lay down a bottom of the approximate dimensions you want. Then you lay down a coil of clay around the outer edge. You must tool the two pieces of clay to get them to mate (otherwise, they will separate when fired). You then lay down the second coil of clay onto the first, tooling the two coils to get them to mate. Then the third coil . . . and so on. Doesn't it make sense to you that, for the sake of efficiency, you would use the same smoothing tool on the interior and you do on the exterior?

 

[natchitoches]

most clay workers use ether the clay coiled cord or slabs to build there pots

 

[natchitoches]

also on a lot of pots the worker would hold a flat rock on the inside of the pot.
and hit the pot with a cord wrapped peace of wood.
leavings little to any tool marks

 

[larson1951]

that is right
there is a huge difference between interior designs and fabrication marks
the pieces i displayed are indeed interior marks but almost not even that..as they are only on the top one inch of the rim
i cannot figure out one reason why any one would try to put a design on the inside of a pot
they are containers and not art work on the inside

 

[natchitoches]

i am thinking it mite be a shaman pot
(or Medicine Man pot)

 

[GatorBoy]

I guess some people refuse to belive me when I say I have studied "Pristis" Slab pinch and smooth was the most common method at this site. The most common design was incised paddle stamped as opposed to cord wrapped. I thought it was interesting so I shared. I have no intrest in arguing what I know to be true with someone with obviously less experience in my area than my self. You know who you are. Thanks everyone for sharing.