How many believe the moon landing was...

[Kentucky Kache]

You go ahead and continue to stand on the shore and preach that the world is flat.

If you have anything to add, please do so. If not, stop trying to make others look silly for not following the crowd. This is about the moon landing, not about the shape of the earth. Keep up, or drop out.

I have added, you just don't like what I added.

You have not produced one iota of evidence, no proof what so ever that the landing never took place. You have offered nothing to disprove the landing at all, no physical evidence at all.......What is your evidence.....other then.......I don't like the video..........

We have film and photographic evidence taken with movie and still cameras on not just one mission, but on 6 separate missions along with eye witness accounts from men who WALKED on the moon on 6 separate occasions as well as men from the command module, and hundreds of support personnel on the ground.

Lets get this right, your saying America faked not just one landing, but 6 separate mission landings over 4.5 year time period, faked all the video and the still photography, including the return to the command modules for 6 separate missions over 4.5 years, fooled the Russians not once, but on 6 separate occasions again over 4.5 years, and were able to get hundreds and hundreds of support personnel to lie about it, and continue to lie for over 40 years now..........

They could do all of this, but they couldn't squash a second rate 2 bit buglary at Watergate?

Are you reading these posts? I suggest you go to page one and read everything over. You might get your questions answered, though you might not like the answer. At least you might get an idea for a sensible question to ask.

The FIRST time was the only one they HAD to CONVINCE the world. After that, everyone was sold on it. The other missions had to be done with the same carefulness, but they wouldn't have been as critical as the first one.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

You go ahead and continue to stand on the shore and preach that the world is flat.

If you have anything to add, please do so. If not, stop trying to make others look silly for not following the crowd. This is about the moon landing, not about the shape of the earth. Keep up, or drop out.

I have added, you just don't like what I added.

You have not produced one iota of evidence, no proof what so ever that the landing never took place. You have offered nothing to disprove the landing at all, no physical evidence at all.......What is your evidence.....other then.......I don't like the video..........

We have film and photographic evidence taken with movie and still cameras on not just one mission, but on 6 separate missions along with eye witness accounts from men who WALKED on the moon on 6 separate occasions as well as men from the command module, and hundreds of support personnel on the ground.

Lets get this right, your saying America faked not just one landing, but 6 separate mission landings over 4.5 year time period, faked all the video and the still photography, including the return to the command modules for 6 separate missions over 4.5 years, fooled the Russians not once, but on 6 separate occasions again over 4.5 years, and were able to get hundreds and hundreds of support personnel to lie about it, and continue to lie for over 40 years now..........

They could do all of this, but they couldn't squash a second rate 2 bit buglary at Watergate?

Are you reading these posts? I suggest you go to page one and read everything over. You might get your questions answered, though you might not like the answer. At least you might get an idea of a sensible question to ask.

The FIRST time was the only one they HAD to CONVINCE the world. After that, everyone was sold on it. The other missions had to be done with the same carefulness, but they wouldn't have been as critical as the first one.

I have read the entire thread...

That's your reply, that's your proof LOL

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I have read the entire thread...

That's your reply, that's your proof LOL

Already been covered.

 

[ClonedSIM]

But what about this, KK?

If NASA cooked up the moon landing, did it in several takes in sound stages, studios, whatever, and obviously meant for this footage to fool a world audience, why did they make any mistakes at all?? They had time to review these tapes, right? Undoubtedly has some Hollywood-types on the payroll, making sure they did it right? If they can avoid these kind of gaffes in even the lower-budget films from the era, why did NASA seemingly make so many of them in something they had the time to perfect, the money to perfect and the ability to perfect?

NASA had to know that there would be folks, such as yourself, that would say that any footage they released was fake. Working with this knowledge, why would they release anything that was less than perfect? I mean, they had time to make this film, they had resources and they had some of the best minds in America. Why would they release a movie filled with errors? Do you have an explanation for this?

How about this scenario? The footage is absolutely real, and any supposed "mistakes" you think you're seeing are simply natural phenomena. NASA did see these "mistakes" when reviewing the footage, but decided that they didn't want to change any part of the film to avoid the look of impropriety?

In my humble 'pinion, they didn't have any Hollywood pros there. They couldn't bring just anyone into what was going on. I'm sure whoever was in charge of props, etc. had some experience, but probably not Hollywood. Interesting that you mention the lower-budget films from the era. I'm sure you know that many of those, and even a few high budget ones, DO have these kinds of flaws in them. And we know FOR SURE these are done by Hollywood pros.

NASA probaby counted on a few people who would not believe, but I'm not too sure they would have counted on it being questioned as it is today, though still only by the few. And that's another point. Why would they care about the few when the majority is with them. And if you're not with them, you're unpatriotic, dumb, uneducated, don't love your grandma...
I don't think they caught the errors. It wasn't until about 30 years later that the general public caught it. Or at least that's when they started talking about it.
Bottom line is, that film DOES have those errors.

Any scenario can be supposed, either for or against. But the errors exist and the majority of the world don't care. I have to think NASA counted on that, at least to some degree.

There's no doubt that films of the era do have mistakes, I didn't really mean to suggest they didn't, but what I'm driving at is that NASA had a hundred times the budget of even big-money films of that era, brilliant people on the payroll, plenty of time to do it up right, etc.

And if this whole thing was a fake, then having a Hollywood type I think would be a given. These guys aren't your run-of-the-mill tricksters. They are, quite literally, rocket scientests. If you give them enough credit for coming up with a hoax this big, then you should give them enough credit to do it right, which includes bringing in experts. If the whole of NASA, or at least the hundreds involved in these films, can keep quiet, then enough money paid to a director/producer woudl bring the same thing.

I was also curious, you may have posted it elsewhere, but do you have a link to a site that outlays all of the errors? I've seen a few of them mentioned here, but I'd really like to see a full list.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

There's no doubt that films of the era do have mistakes, I didn't really mean to suggest they didn't, but what I'm driving at is that NASA had a hundred times the budget of even big-money films of that era, brilliant people on the payroll, plenty of time to do it up right, etc.

And if this whole thing was a fake, then having a Hollywood type I think would be a given. These guys aren't your run-of-the-mill tricksters. They are, quite literally, rocket scientests. If you give them enough credit for coming up with a hoax this big, then you should give them enough credit to do it right, which includes bringing in experts. If the whole of NASA, or at least the hundreds involved in these films, can keep quiet, then enough money paid to a director/producer woudl bring the same thing.

I was also curious, you may have posted it elsewhere, but do you have a link to a site that outlays all of the errors? I've seen a few of them mentioned here, but I'd really like to see a full list.

Do you think a hundred million dollar movie would have fewer mistakes if they had spent twice that amount on it? I would think that is one of the most basic things they do, at least in modern movies. And I wouldn't think it would be anywhere near the most expensive part of a production.

Regardless of what you believe, I think you have to admit that NASA has the best planners in the world. That doesn't prove the moon landing to be fake, but it does give you a reason to think these guys could have pulled it off.
So, how could such good planners miss the film mistakes? Well, that's one reason why I don't think they used Holywood pros. Their strength is not movie making, though I would guess they did their best to cover everything. They simply missed things. The mistakes ARE there. I doubt there were hundreds involved behind the scenes, and I also doubt they would risk bringing in holywood guys.

I don't have a list, but if you google "fake moon landing" you will see some of them.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

So your proof it was fake is to use Google and search for conspiracy theories?....


Lunar Reconnassance Orbiter

Lunar Reconnassance Orbiter September 15, 2009

Lunar Reconnassance Orbiter September 15, 2009 Blown up view.

Apollo 17 Lunar Module Challenger descent stage comes into focus from the new lower 50 km mapping orbit, image width 102 meters. Credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University

LRO maneuvered into its 50-km mapping orbit on September 15. The next pass over the Apollo 17 landing site resulted in images with more than two times better resolution than previously acquired. At the time of this recent overflight the Sun was high in the sky (28° incidence angle) helping to bring out subtle differences in surface brightness. The descent stage of the lunar module Challenger is now clearly visible, at 50 cm per pixel (angular resolution) the descent stage deck is 8 pixels across (4 meters), also note that the legs are also now distinguishable. The descent stage served as the launch pad for the ascent stage as it blasted off for a rendezvous with the command module America on 14 December 1972.

Tracks are clearly visible and can be followed to the east, where astronauts Jack Schmitt and Gene Cernan set up the Surface Electrical Properties experiment (SEP). Cernan drove the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) in an intersecting north-south and east-west course to mark positions for laying out the SEP 35-meter antennas (circle labeled "SEP" marks the area of the SEP transmitter). The dark area just below the SEP experiment is where the astronauts left the rover, in a prime spot for monitoring the liftoff.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/lroc_20091028_apollo.html


So now your reply will be what.....Ah, it's fake, made by photo shop, or tracks were made by little green men?

 

[ClonedSIM]

The above is an excellent point. If we weren't there, how did all this flotsam get left behind?

Also, specifically KK, why did you first begin to believe the landing was faked? Was it something you came up with on your own, or did you see an article or a web-site that led you this direction, perhaps?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

The above is an excellent point. If we weren't there, how did all this flotsam get left behind?

Also, specifically KK, why did you first begin to believe the landing was faked? Was it something you came up with on your own, or did you see an article or a web-site that led you this direction, perhaps?

Not a website.

If the moon pics we've been talking about are possible fakes, then why couldn't those above be fakes? Also, we have machines on Mars, yet we haven't figured out how get a man there...and back.

 

[ClonedSIM]

The above is an excellent point. If we weren't there, how did all this flotsam get left behind?

Also, specifically KK, why did you first begin to believe the landing was faked? Was it something you came up with on your own, or did you see an article or a web-site that led you this direction, perhaps?

Not a website.

If the moon pics we've been talking about are possible fakes, then why couldn't those above be fakes? Also, we have machines on Mars, yet we haven't figured out how get a man there...and back.

An interesting question, but a better one would be, "Why do you think they're fake?" I'm sure it just didn't pop into you head one day.

We aren't foolish for believing what we've been told, we just take the story at face value, as you should do unless you have some proof that the person you just listened to is lying to you. What was the trigger for you? What made you one day decide that the whole thing was fabricated?

As far as the Mars comparison, there's a couple of rovers up there. That's about it. No flags, few tire tracks, no footprints, no landers, no plaques. Very different situation, and no one has claimed that man visited Mars.

Another question. According to you, a person telling you that the moon landing was real is lying to you. However, if a second person tells you that the mon landing was fake, you believe they're telling the truth. I know you're fond of telling the "believers" that they shouldn't buy the stories we've been fed, but you're no better as you've done the exact same thing. Why do you consider yourself clever, and not a sheep for "following the crowd," when all you're really doing is following a smaller crowd?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

The above is an excellent point. If we weren't there, how did all this flotsam get left behind?

Also, specifically KK, why did you first begin to believe the landing was faked? Was it something you came up with on your own, or did you see an article or a web-site that led you this direction, perhaps?

Not a website.

If the moon pics we've been talking about are possible fakes, then why couldn't those above be fakes? Also, we have machines on Mars, yet we haven't figured out how get a man there...and back.

An interesting question, but a better one would be, "Why do you think they're fake?" I'm sure it just didn't pop into you head one day.

We aren't foolish for believing what we've been told, we just take the story at face value, as you should do unless you have some proof that the person you just listened to is lying to you. What was the trigger for you? What made you one day decide that the whole thing was fabricated?

As far as the Mars comparison, there's a couple of rovers up there. That's about it. No flags, few tire tracks, no footprints, no landers, no plaques. Very different situation, and no one has claimed that man visited Mars.

Another question. According to you, a person telling you that the moon landing was real is lying to you. However, if a second person tells you that the mon landing was fake, you believe they're telling the truth. I know you're fond of telling the "believers" that they shouldn't buy the stories we've been fed, but you're no better as you've done the exact same thing. Why do you consider yourself clever, and not a sheep for "following the crowd," when all you're really doing is following a smaller crowd?

What I'm interested in following is not a crowd, of ANY size. I'm interested in the truth.

Actually, we are ALL sheep. If you think about it, we all follow something. That is by design, It's the way we're made.

No body told me the moon landing was real, and no body told me it was fake.
I have my reasons for believing the way I do, and some of those reasons we have been discussing. I have enough to make me believe the moon landing was faked. Anyone is welcome to disagree and give their reasons for believing otherwise. I didn't exactly call anyone foolish for believing in the moon landing. I think you'll find that I've been defending myself against those who call ME foolish...those who want to compare this to the shape of the earth, or Watergate, etc.

Yes, there ARE landers on Mars. But it doesn't matter what is there and what isn't. The point is, we have put those things there. And we are MUCH closer to the Moon than we are to Mars.

 

[ClonedSIM]

What I'm interested in following is not a crowd, of ANY size. I'm interested in the truth.

Actually, we are ALL sheep. If you think about it, we all follow something. That is by design, It's the way we're made.

No body told me the moon landing was real, and no body told me it was fake.
I have my reasons for believing the way I do, and some of those reasons we have been discussing. I have enough to make me believe the moon landing was faked. Anyone is welcome to disagree and give their reasons for believing otherwise. I didn't exactly call anyone foolish for believing in the moon landing. I think you'll find that I've been defending myself against those who call ME foolish...those who want to compare this to the shape of the earth, or Watergate, etc.

Yes, there ARE landers on Mars. But it doesn't matter what is there and what isn't. The point is, we have put those things there. And we are MUCH closer to the Moon than we are to Mars.

I understand you have your reasons for believeing it was faked, but what I really want to know is what made you believe it was not real? There was one event, one conversation, one particular moment that you decided all the stories you had been told up til then were lies. It was obviously a big event, as to think as you do takes quite a change of heart. But what was that event?

As far as being closer to moon, true, but how close do we need to get, without actually landing there, to stick a flag on the surface? To drop a plaque rightsideup on the surface? To leave tracks and footprints without somehow touching the surface?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

What I'm interested in following is not a crowd, of ANY size. I'm interested in the truth.

Actually, we are ALL sheep. If you think about it, we all follow something. That is by design, It's the way we're made.

No body told me the moon landing was real, and no body told me it was fake.
I have my reasons for believing the way I do, and some of those reasons we have been discussing. I have enough to make me believe the moon landing was faked. Anyone is welcome to disagree and give their reasons for believing otherwise. I didn't exactly call anyone foolish for believing in the moon landing. I think you'll find that I've been defending myself against those who call ME foolish...those who want to compare this to the shape of the earth, or Watergate, etc.

Yes, there ARE landers on Mars. But it doesn't matter what is there and what isn't. The point is, we have put those things there. And we are MUCH closer to the Moon than we are to Mars.

I understand you have your reasons for believeing it was faked, but what I really want to know is what made you believe it was not real? There was one event, one conversation, one particular moment that you decided all the stories you had been told up til then were lies. It was obviously a big event, as to think as you do takes quite a change of heart. But what was that event?

As far as being closer to moon, true, but how close do we need to get, without actually landing there, to stick a flag on the surface? To drop a plaque rightsideup on the surface? To leave tracks and footprints without somehow touching the surface?

The Mars rovers dig into the Martian soil, put that soil into a tester and test it, and then send the results back to earth. I don't think ramming a stick into the ground would be too much to ask.

You're not going to believe the way I do. The things that have been presented here is my evidence to you. Not irrefutable proof, but evidence. You have yours, and I have mine. I don't feel like going beyond that. To me it looks like people would be willing to look at what has been shown and at least question those things that don't look quite right. You still might end up believing, but without even questioning?

Don't you think it's even a little strange that the moon landing happened at the time of the space race with Russia?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

KK is not going to believe no matter how much evidence he is shown or what he is shown. Pictures of the landing sites with actual footprints and tracks will not convince him because he does not want to believe. They could do a fly over at 50 feet with close-ups of everything, including the individual foot prints and he would still say it is all faked.

For some people to accept something they say was faked as real means they have to accept and admit they were wrong, some people cannot or will not ever do that, no matter how much evidence they are shown.

KK, this is my last post on this subject, there is ne reason to continue to post here on this thread, it's a dead issue. No matter what you are shown, no matter how conclusive anything was that was shown to you, you will continue to say it is faked because it will not give you what you want. There is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what.

 

[21stTNCav]

I think we landed on the moon. KK does not. That does not hurt my feelings, and I don't see where his beliefs(or mine for that matter) are hurting anyone. If this were something that belief in or not could result in bodily of financial harm then I would feel different. Believing in Carbon credits could cost our county billions. That I would argue about.

 

[ClonedSIM]

What I'm interested in following is not a crowd, of ANY size. I'm interested in the truth.

Actually, we are ALL sheep. If you think about it, we all follow something. That is by design, It's the way we're made.

No body told me the moon landing was real, and no body told me it was fake.
I have my reasons for believing the way I do, and some of those reasons we have been discussing. I have enough to make me believe the moon landing was faked. Anyone is welcome to disagree and give their reasons for believing otherwise. I didn't exactly call anyone foolish for believing in the moon landing. I think you'll find that I've been defending myself against those who call ME foolish...those who want to compare this to the shape of the earth, or Watergate, etc.

Yes, there ARE landers on Mars. But it doesn't matter what is there and what isn't. The point is, we have put those things there. And we are MUCH closer to the Moon than we are to Mars.

I understand you have your reasons for believeing it was faked, but what I really want to know is what made you believe it was not real? There was one event, one conversation, one particular moment that you decided all the stories you had been told up til then were lies. It was obviously a big event, as to think as you do takes quite a change of heart. But what was that event?

As far as being closer to moon, true, but how close do we need to get, without actually landing there, to stick a flag on the surface? To drop a plaque rightsideup on the surface? To leave tracks and footprints without somehow touching the surface?

The Mars rovers dig into the Martian soil, put that soil into a tester and test it, and then send the results back to earth. I don't think ramming a stick into the ground would be too much to ask.

You're not going to believe the way I do. The things that have been presented here is my evidence to you. Not irrefutable proof, but evidence. You have yours, and I have mine. I don't feel like going beyond that. To me it looks like people would be willing to look at what has been shown and at least question those things that don't look quite right. You still might end up believing, but without even questioning?

Don't you think it's even a little strange that the moon landing happened at the time of the space race with Russia?

I don't find it at all strange that the moon landing took place when it did. It was the result of the space race. It's why the race took hold in the first place, to see who could land a man on the moon first. If we hadn't done it, then someone else would have, so there's really no coincidece to take into consideration.

As far as questioning what's been told to us, why don't you question the motivation behind the people you study that say this event didn't happen? Forget for a moment the pictures and video that someone else says proves the moon landing didn't happen, and look to why they're saying this.

No matter what side you're on, there's only one way to view this situation. One party is telling the truth, and the other party is trying to convince everyone the fist party is lying. Since this is a fact, you need to look at the underlying motives.

1.) NASA created the moon landing on Earth, and it never actually took place.
Motives:
a.) To end the space race.
b.) To convince the world that the US was the first to accomplish this feat.
c.) To give the US population a victory and sense of pride.
d.) To fulfill President Kennedy's prediction.

2.) Conspiracy theorists know the moon landing took place, but wish others to believe it was a hoax.
Motives:
a.) The theorist has a grudge against NASA and wishes to mar their name.
b.) The theorist was somehow belittled, or feel they were belitted, by NASA's actions.
c.) The theorist truly believes the landing was a hoax, and uses whatever he can to try and convince others of this.
d.) The theorist is simply paranoid.

As you can see, even if the whole thing was a hoax, at least NASA had worthwhile motives for their lies, which the landing dis-believers have questionsable, at best, motives for believeing as they do.

Another thing you need to study is this: when NASA released their footage and recordings and photos and the rocks they brought back, they simply put the information out there and let folks decide for themselves. Non-believers, on the other hand, use anything they believe supports their theory to try and convince others that it was a hoax, even if the "evidence" they produce is questionable. This, I feel, is where the difference lies.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

KK is not going to believe no matter how much evidence he is shown or what he is shown. Pictures of the landing sites with actual footprints and tracks will not convince him because he does not want to believe. They could do a fly over at 50 feet with close-ups of everything, including the individual foot prints and he would still say it is all faked.

For some people to accept something they say was faked as real means they have to accept and admit they were wrong, some people cannot or will not ever do that, no matter how much evidence they are shown.

KK, this is my last post on this subject, there is ne reason to continue to post here on this thread, it's a dead issue. No matter what you are shown, no matter how conclusive anything was that was shown to you, you will continue to say it is faked because it will not give you what you want. There is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what.

We've seen the footprint since '69. Those things are not new.

"For some people to accept something they say was faked as real means they have to accept and admit they were wrong, some people cannot or will not ever do that, no matter how much evidence they are shown."

Maybe so, but if you switch places with the words "faked" and "real" this statement would be talking about you.

"KK, this is my last post on this subject, there is ne reason to continue to post here on this thread, it's a dead issue. No matter what you are shown, no matter how conclusive anything was that was shown to you, you will continue to say it is faked because it will not give you what you want. There is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what."

Not so. If I saw irrefutable proof I would believe. So far all you've offered is film footage, scientific theory and putting down those who don't think exactly like you. And what is it I want to see? Maybe you can tell us.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I don't find it at all strange that the moon landing took place when it did. It was the result of the space race. It's why the race took hold in the first place, to see who could land a man on the moon first. If we hadn't done it, then someone else would have, so there's really no coincidece to take into consideration.

As far as questioning what's been told to us, why don't you question the motivation behind the people you study that say this event didn't happen? Forget for a moment the pictures and video that someone else says proves the moon landing didn't happen, and look to why they're saying this.

No matter what side you're on, there's only one way to view this situation. One party is telling the truth, and the other party is trying to convince everyone the fist party is lying. Since this is a fact, you need to look at the underlying motives.

1.) NASA created the moon landing on Earth, and it never actually took place.
Motives:
a.) To end the space race.
b.) To convince the world that the US was the first to accomplish this feat.
c.) To give the US population a victory and sense of pride.
d.) To fulfill President Kennedy's prediction.

2.) Conspiracy theorists know the moon landing took place, but wish others to believe it was a hoax.
Motives:
a.) The theorist has a grudge against NASA and wishes to mar their name.
b.) The theorist was somehow belittled, or feel they were belitted, by NASA's actions.
c.) The theorist truly believes the landing was a hoax, and uses whatever he can to try and convince others of this.
d.) The theorist is simply paranoid.

As you can see, even if the whole thing was a hoax, at least NASA had worthwhile motives for their lies, which the landing dis-believers have questionsable, at best, motives for believeing as they do.

Another thing you need to study is this: when NASA released their footage and recordings and photos and the rocks they brought back, they simply put the information out there and let folks decide for themselves. Non-believers, on the other hand, use anything they believe supports their theory to try and convince others that it was a hoax, even if the "evidence" they produce is questionable. This, I feel, is where the difference lies.

Yes, it was a result of the space race, which is my point. We were in a race that we were loosing. If we hadn't done it, then someone else would have. There you go.

"As far as questioning what's been told to us, why don't you question the motivation behind the people you study that say this event didn't happen? Forget for a moment the pictures and video that someone else says proves the moon landing didn't happen, and look to why they're saying this."

The people saying this have no axe to grind. In fact, they face ridicule for their stance. Why would they be willing to do that? I can tell you by experience, it's not a small thing to stand up and say these things in toady's world. Almost everyone thinks you're crazy, or uneducated. You don't set out to try and make people think of you that way. It's a genuine belief. And it doesn't mean I don't believe in technology, because I do. I just believe that this is one that they put over on us. And I'm not just taking their word for it. The "C" marker IS on the rock...the lander DID go up like it was being pulled by a cable...their was no blast or debris from the lander...and various other things. I don't agree with everything they say, but I do agree with most of it.

1. C - To give the US population a victory and sense of pride.

You can't deny that was one of the perks. The Moon landing did indeed make this country the greatest...the strongest, that's a fact. It gave us a lot more than a sense of pride. MOTIVE? Is that impossible? I believe 1.- A,B,C, and D.

"As you can see, even if the whole thing was a hoax, at least NASA had worthwhile motives for their lies, which the landing dis-believers have questionsable, at best, motives for believeing as they do."

Thank for that admission. Did you really mean to say that?

"Another thing you need to study is this: when NASA released their footage and recordings and photos and the rocks they brought back, they simply put the information out there and let folks decide for themselves. Non-believers, on the other hand, use anything they believe supports their theory to try and convince others that it was a hoax, even if the "evidence" they produce is questionable. This, I feel, is where the difference lies."

Compare the two parts in bold. You make it sound like NASA didn't do anything. Take another look. Released footage of men walking on the surface of the moon, complete with sound...brought back rocks from the surface of the moon. You make it sound like they just simply ask people to blindly believe. No, they had something great to show, much greater than the detractors had.
It wasn't until later when people started seeing things that didn't look exactly right.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

We have shown you pictures taking from the LRO, which was taken the last couple months that clearly shows the tracks left on the surface by Americans at the Challenger landing site.

As I said above, there is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what since it does not fit what you want it to fit. You want it to be a hoax, you need for it to be a hoax, otherwise you will have to admit to yourself you were wrong, so no matter how much evidence is given you, you will refuse to believe it.

Now I'm out of this thread, it's a dead thread as far as I am concerned, I'm not going to feed your hoax fantasies any longer, someone else will have to feed it.......

 

[Kentucky Kache]

We have shown you pictures taking from the LRO, which was taken the last couple months that clearly shows the tracks left on the surface by Americans at the Challenger landing site.

As I said above, there is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what since it does not fit what you want it to fit. You want it to be a hoax, you need for it to be a hoax, otherwise you will have to admit to yourself you were wrong, so no matter how much evidence is given you, you will refuse to believe it.

Now I'm out of this thread, it's a dead thread as far as I am concerned, I'm not going to feed your hoax fantasies any longer, someone else will have to feed it.......

I've seen the same footage of Mars. Are you saying those things CAN'T be faked? And with the things we have on Mars today, do you REALLY think we couldn't do similar things on the Moon?

"As I said above, there is a big difference between not believing, and refusing to believe no matter what since it does not fit what you want it to fit. You want it to be a hoax, you need for it to be a hoax, otherwise you will have to admit to yourself you were wrong, so no matter how much evidence is given you, you will refuse to believe it."

That statement is very telling, If you're willing to examine it. "otherwise you will have to admit to yourself you were wrong" Now, who would that matter most to, a government program who holds the fate of the country in their hands, or a dumb country boy who no one has a reason to listen to? Think about it. Do you think its AS important to me that the ML was fake as it is for NASA to have everyone believe its real?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Apparently its more important to a "dumb country boy", since the majority of us know it was real and it's only the hoax theorists who continue to scream and post fake. You don't see the average person posting threads about it being real, only those looking for attention by claiming it was haox, fake, that the evil government is lying to us, they act like it is their duty to educate us.

NASA is not running around trying to prove its real, it's the fringe hoax theorists who are screaming it's fake, it's the same as those who scream that 9/11 was a hoax put on by the government to get support to attack Muslim countries. It's all BS....