How many believe the moon landing was...

[Kentucky Kache]

Kentuck: For the record, I like you, and enjoy your posts. So it rather hit home about your family, I personally am deeply sorry for your loss..

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It's okay. 15 years does wonders (almost 15).

I don't know what that has to do with the Moon landing, but Treasure_Hunter seems to think it does.

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Then if the Russians didn't do anything, they must have believed it was real. We all have agreed to that, but you wanted to bring it up again, so here we are. I've said all along the Russians didn't do anything because they were duped along with the rest of us. Why would they doubt a scientific possibility?

You really need to understand one thing. Russia has much more motivation to disprove the moon landing than you ever will.

What is this great obstacle I have run in to? Can you tell me? I see nothing but the same old rehashed vomit that you've been spewing from the first. Okay, so there was a country full of doubters in Russia. Fine. What were they to do? Nothing they COULD do at that time. Where's my great wall?

Why haven't they done anything in the past 40 years? You can bet their embarrasment then hasn't worn off. They, and a whole slew of other countries, would love to show the world we never stepped foot on the moon. If the evidence exists now, why don't they do anything about it?

"Do you remember what happened when we learned about Sputnik? National frenzy; people were worried about it spying on us, about it dropping bombs on us, about thousands more being launched until the Russians owned the sky. The astronomical segment turned all their telescopes toward it, hoping to find nothing at all, yet there it was. We saw it with our own eyes. There were people like you running around trying to tell everyone that it wasn't real, but they were wrong, too."

And you don't think that was motive for getting to the Moon first? Interesting.

"Can you imagine anything different taking place when we told the Russians that we landed on the moon? And you honestly believe they sat on their hands and just accepted it?"

Different? What do you mean?
I don't know what they sat on, but what were they to do?

And now you've resorted to asking inane questions when you don't have any answer for perfectly reasonable questions. This is why the general population doesn't take your kind seriously.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I believe the moon landing happened because it did happen. I didn't have to choose a side, as there's never been a question in my mind. Believe it or not, as I can see you don't, I don't have a problem for standing up for what I believe. Why else am I posting here now?

No, you believe it because you think you're right. I understand that. And yes, you DID choose to believe it, as did the whole world, myself included. There never was a question in anyone's mind until we found things to make us think.
You don't have a problem standing for what? It don't take much effort to float with the flow.

I don't believe I'm right or wrong. I believe what I've seen and heard because I have no reason to believe otherwise. The "proof" you choose to believe is extremely unconvincing, and very clearly exists because someone owning a dislike of something (government, NASA, Kennedy, Armstrong) chose to try and make an issue out of it.

And you asked "You don't have a problem standing for what?" Did you just pretend to read my post??

This also lets me know that you consider yourself a maverick, one who goes against the grain. The question is, do you do this because all of your beliefs are contrary, or because you crave the attention this brings you?

You yourself admitted this was a great victory for America and the people living in her, yet you don't believe it happened and have no problem telling everyone this should be taken away. I'm selling propaganda? Hardly. Along with martyr, maybe you should look up the word before you try to use it.

Taken away? I'm trying to take away the Moon landing? I must be a great fella.
Yes, your propaganda is to make those who think contrary to you look like a communist, or something that is hated. Propaganda.

This is exactly what your goal is. You believe it didn't happen, and you want everyone else to believe it as well. If this wasn't your ultimate reward, you wouldn't have brought it up in the first place. But you did. You asked a question, and as soon as someone said that it did happen, you began trying to convince them it didn't. This is your propaganda.

How about an experiment? Let's talk about the atomic bombing at Hiroshima, for example. Google you heart out, and find every site or reference you can saying this didn't happen. I bet you'll find just as much "evidence" for this stance as you would for your moon landing theory. Does that mean it's true?

Convince me that Hiroshima has anything to do with what we're talking about and you've got a deal. If you can't, please try a new tactic. I wonder if there is more for or against Hiroshima.

The bombing has plenty to do with what we're talking about it, unless you try to take it out of the context in which I presented it. I made a very clear comparison between what may be found created by skeptics "proving" the bombing didn't occur, and the "proof" regarding the moon landing you choose to hang your hat on.

The very fact that you wondered aloud whether there is more evidence for or against the bombing is quite telling, actually. It means that you are more than willing to change your mind about world events if anyone in cyberspace tells you to.

Well, it looks like you've made up your mind about me. Since you're never wrong, it must be true. I like going against the flow because I love the pain of getting beat up. Remember the people we discussed before on here, and how some of you asked the question, WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOOSE A LIFESTYLE THAT WAS SO DIFFERENT, AND HAVE THE WORLD AGAINST THEM? What happened to that reasoning?

My talking to those who post is called DISCUSSION. Look it up.

Hiroshima has to do with what we're talking about? I'm still not convinced. I know what you mean...just more of your propaganda. BTW, I chalenge you on my interpretation of that word, as well as martyr. Hiroshima is a seperate issue, and to use that to sway your influence...what do YOU call it?

Again, you didn't understand. If you think I would change my mind about Hiroshima, or the Moon landing, or anything else Just because of a website, then I'm talking to the wrong person. What about the sites that say the ML was real? Surely I would be swayed in that direction, as there are a LOT more of them than the other. Is that why you believe in the Moon landing? Was it a website that got you? Sounds kind of silly, don't it.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Then if the Russians didn't do anything, they must have believed it was real. We all have agreed to that, but you wanted to bring it up again, so here we are. I've said all along the Russians didn't do anything because they were duped along with the rest of us. Why would they doubt a scientific possibility?

You really need to understand one thing. Russia has much more motivation to disprove the moon landing than you ever will.

What is this great obstacle I have run in to? Can you tell me? I see nothing but the same old rehashed vomit that you've been spewing from the first. Okay, so there was a country full of doubters in Russia. Fine. What were they to do? Nothing they COULD do at that time. Where's my great wall?

Why haven't they done anything in the past 40 years? You can bet their embarrasment then hasn't worn off. They, and a whole slew of other countries, would love to show the world we never stepped foot on the moon. If the evidence exists now, why don't they do anything about it?

"Do you remember what happened when we learned about Sputnik? National frenzy; people were worried about it spying on us, about it dropping bombs on us, about thousands more being launched until the Russians owned the sky. The astronomical segment turned all their telescopes toward it, hoping to find nothing at all, yet there it was. We saw it with our own eyes. There were people like you running around trying to tell everyone that it wasn't real, but they were wrong, too."

And you don't think that was motive for getting to the Moon first? Interesting.

"Can you imagine anything different taking place when we told the Russians that we landed on the moon? And you honestly believe they sat on their hands and just accepted it?"

Different? What do you mean?
I don't know what they sat on, but what were they to do?

And now you've resorted to asking inane questions when you don't have any answer for perfectly reasonable questions. This is why the general population doesn't take your kind seriously.

Yes, it would be more important to Russia than to me. But these things were not serious discussions until recently, and even now those who doubt are considered fools. The scientific community is gonna do as they are told by the government and the ML is as government as it gets. What does Russia believe? Probably the scientific community. But who knows, they might be doing something for all I know. I have no ties with Russia.

Why haven't they done anything in the past 40 years? Because they are duped into believing that we landed on the moon is my guess. The real question is why you guys never get tired of asking the same questions.

What question did I dodge?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Why do you guys keep resorting to these tactics? You'd think you were worried about something.

I don't think all those people you mentioned would have had to been in the know. If I'm an electrician, you could call me in to fix a wire or a board without telling me every detail of what its all about. Everyone could have gone through the sequences just as they were taught to do and never know that things were not happening as they were being told. The ones that were in the know kept it all together, and you can believe they were enough of them to do the job, but it wouldn't have to have been thousands, or even hundreds. You can believe they knew how to plan it. Richard Nixon wasn't planning this one.
Actually, some who have come forth DID work at NASA at the time. Also, some have died mysterious, or at least strange deaths. Who knows.
Do you know for certain that film hasn't been destroyed? Former NASA people ARE blabbing.
"Why are the Russians / Chinese still sitting on their hands, when this would be a fantastic diplomatic coup and a tremendous loss of face and creditability for the US?"
See the many posts where we have already talked about that.

Lol, sorry to bust your bubble, but having an electrician fix a wire, is not the same as working at mission control during a moon landing where everyone works together side by side, not in cubicles, every one views the monitors together, and receives the data sitting side by side. You think they did it different for the moon landings and “no one noticed”.

So now you are insinuating mission control workers may have been murdered by NASA to keep them from revealing the great conspiracy. Talk about farfetched. Your proof is??

None of your comments made cover why the Russians didn’t dispute it, all you keep saying is you covered it, and they bought it, you are wrong by so many degrees.

We are talking about a government that didn’t trust anything the United States did, and did everything they could do to counter every single move we made. We are talking about a Government that placed ICBMs only 90 miles off our shores, and took us to the very brink of a Nuclear Holocaust, simply because they feared losing influence in Latin America. They risk a virtual full scale nuclear war, all simply because they feared losing influence in Latin America, yet you’re saying they didn’t dispute our moon landing, even with the slightest hint of a hoax as they had access to all the data released to the public simply because “they bought it”. Don’t fool yourself, they had every single expert, every scientist in their country pouring over all the data, trying to learn what they could and find a way to dispute it, to discredit America. They had to know if we actually went to the moon or not to know what their next move was.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Lol, sorry to bust your bubble, but having an electrician fix a wire, is not the same as working at mission control during a moon landing where everyone works together side by side, not in cubicles, every one views the monitors together, and receives the data sitting side by side. You think they did it different for the moon landings and “no one noticed”.

So now you are insinuating mission control workers may have been murdered by NASA to keep them from revealing the great conspiracy. Talk about farfetched. Your proof is??

None of your comments made cover why the Russians didn’t dispute it, all you keep saying is you covered it, and they bought it, you are wrong by so many degrees.

We are talking about a government that didn’t trust anything the United States did, and did everything they could do to counter every single move we made. We are talking about a Government that placed ICBMs only 90 miles off our shores, and took us to the very brink of a Nuclear Holocaust, simply because they feared losing influence in Latin America. They risk a virtual full scale nuclear war, all simply because they feared losing influence in Latin America, yet you’re saying they didn’t dispute our moon landing, even with the slightest hint of a hoax as they had access to all the data released to the public simply because “they bought it”. Don’t fool yourself, they had every single expert, every scientist in their country pouring over all the data, trying to learn what they could and find a way to dispute it, to discredit America. They had to know if we actually went to the moon or not to know what their next move was.

Okay, now you're reaching. You're over thinking what I'm saying. I said nothing about anyone at mission control being murdered. There were some mysterious and untimely deaths associated with NASA, and that is fact.

Watching monitors means seeing what is put on for you to see. Not so different than watching a movie. And they would have received the data that was meant for them to receive. I wasn't the one who first mentioned electricians...just responding.

Either the Russians responded, or they didn't. Now, since they DIDN'T we have to think that they believed the ML to have been real. If you think about it, we don't disagree on that part. We just disagree on WHY they believed it. Regardless of whether the ML was real or fake, the Russians, according to you and me, believed it was real. So, how am I wrong in saying that? Go back over the posts and see how many times it's been stated.

They didn't HAVE (IMO) the slightest hint of a hoax. If NASA themselves didn't catch the mistakes, why do we think anyone else would? Are we that much smarter than the Russians? If we are, then why did we make such horrible blunders? I think it was the best they could do under cover, and any small thing left out would be covered by the public's blind patriotism. It seems they were right.

BTW, my bubble is still in tact.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I'm the one that's reaching, ROFLMBO, that's funny.

Believe what you want, even though you do a disservice to all the fine astronauts we sent to the moon, including the ones that died in the fire, as well as to this country. I know you going to say your not, but that's BS as well..............

This thread is going no where, your entire proof is based in your own mind, not on hard facts, but it fits your cause.............

Maybe af1733 will continue with you, I'm not feeding your fantasies any longer.......

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I'm the one that's reaching, ROFLMBO, that's funny.

Believe what you want, even though you do a disservice to all the fine astronauts we sent to the moon, including the ones that died in the fire, as well as to this country. I know you going to say your not, but that's BS as well..............

This thread is going no where, your entire proof is based in your own mind, not on hard facts, but it fits your cause.............

Maybe af1733 will continue with you, I'm not feeding your fantasies any longer.......

No offense, but you haven't been feeding me at all. There hasn't been much of a debate with you, as you've mostly just been telling me how wrong and crazy I am. And, of course that you have more than I have.

 

[pygmy]

What causes someone like KK to persist with this nonsense.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

What causes someone like KK to persist with this nonsense.

Are all you guys clones? READ THE POSTS. What causes it? People talking to me, and me responding. Did you get that? You see, one person posts, and then another person responds. I know it sounds difficult, but if you keep saying it over and over, you'll soon get it.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I'm the one that's reaching, ROFLMBO, that's funny.

Believe what you want, even though you do a disservice to all the fine astronauts we sent to the moon, including the ones that died in the fire, as well as to this country. I know you going to say your not, but that's BS as well..............

This thread is going no where, your entire proof is based in your own mind, not on hard facts, but it fits your cause.............

Maybe af1733 will continue with you, I'm not feeding your fantasies any longer.......

I'm with you, TH.

The guy claims he wants to debate, but all his proof was created by someone else with a chip on their shoulder or is non-existant to begin with, and he refuses to discuss anything that clearly proves his theory wrong.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I'm the one that's reaching, ROFLMBO, that's funny.

Believe what you want, even though you do a disservice to all the fine astronauts we sent to the moon, including the ones that died in the fire, as well as to this country. I know you going to say your not, but that's BS as well..............

This thread is going no where, your entire proof is based in your own mind, not on hard facts, but it fits your cause.............

Maybe af1733 will continue with you, I'm not feeding your fantasies any longer.......

I'm with you, TH.

The guy claims he wants to debate, but all his proof was created by someone else with a chip on their shoulder or is non-existant to begin with, and he refuses to discuss anything that clearly proves his theory wrong.

I asked you before, what is it I'm refusing to discuss? You didn't answer.
I don't know if I said I WANT to debate, but that I AM debating. That means that I am responding to others who keep talking to me. Am I supposed to ignore them? What have I refused to discuss?

 

[Dimeman]

I have read all these posts, and you haven't given any real proof that the ML was FAKE. You posted some things that have been addresses and you still say it was faked.

For the module taking off to look like it was pulled with a cable................The only other takeoffs we saw at that time were from the rockets taking off from earth. Earth is much larger and takes more power to lift off. The moon is smaller and has less gravity so the module using the same rocket system, would look different taking off from the moon than it does from the earth. Just like a man jumping up, running and walking......looks different on the moon than on earth. Gravity is different on both.

Since no one had ever been on the moon before it was actually unknown how much rocket power was actually needed to lift off in a situation of much less gravity. They could only estimate from figureing out the approximate size of the moon and its gravity pull.



As for the "C" on the rock.......... There have been pictures all the time of things in a photo that look like something that isn't really there. That could have been a shadow, or a scratch in the film. This was the first time cameras were used in a setting outside of the earth atmosphere. They could only approximate how a camera or any other mechanical intrumentation would operate under the atmospheric conditions.

You still state that if Russia KNEW that it was faked, that they didn't do anything about it.

I think you are overlooking the fact that this "race to the moon" was very important to both countries. If the USSR thought they could find any little peice of evidence of the USA faking a moon landing, they would report it to every other country in the world, and be in a better situation in the "space race"..

It was real and it happened. I watched it on TV and heard the newscast on the radio also.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

I have read all these posts, and you haven't given any real proof that the ML was FAKE. You posted some things that have been addresses and you still say it was faked.

For the module taking off to look like it was pulled with a cable................The only other takeoffs we saw at that time were from the rockets taking off from earth. Earth is much larger and takes more power to lift off. The moon is smaller and has less gravity so the module using the same rocket system, would look different taking off from the moon than it does from the earth. Just like a man jumping up, running and walking......looks different on the moon than on earth. Gravity is different on both.

Since no one had ever been on the moon before it was actually unknown how much rocket power was actually needed to lift off in a situation of much less gravity. They could only estimate from figureing out the approximate size of the moon and its gravity pull.



As for the "C" on the rock.......... There have been pictures all the time of things in a photo that look like something that isn't really there. That could have been a shadow, or a scratch in the film. This was the first time cameras were used in a setting outside of the earth atmosphere. They could only approximate how a camera or any other mechanical intrumentation would operate under the atmospheric conditions.

You still state that if Russia KNEW that it was faked, that they didn't do anything about it.

I think you are overlooking the fact that this "race to the moon" was very important to both countries. If the USSR thought they could find any little peice of evidence of the USA faking a moon landing, they would report it to every other country in the world, and be in a better situation in the "space race"..

It was real and it happened. I watched it on TV and heard the newscast on the radio also.

Boys, I don't know what else to say. I'm scratching my head, not because you don't agree with me, but because you keep bringing up the same things over and over. Are you not reading the posts? Are you not understanding what's being said? I really don't know why you don't see what I have said. Agree or not, you should at least SEE what I've said.

"I have read all these posts, and you haven't given any real proof that the ML was FAKE. You posted some things that have been addresses and you still say it was faked."

Have I not already stated that? Both sides have what they consider EVIDENCE. To me the evidence against outweighs the evidence for. Mostly what I've read is people continuing to say what you're saying, "It has to be real, because I watch it on T.V. and if confirmation is required, well, I also heard it on the radio." Must be true if you seen it on T.V. AND heard it on the radio.

"For the module taking off to look like it was pulled with a cable................The only other takeoffs we saw at that time were from the rockets taking off from earth. Earth is much larger and takes more power to lift off. The moon is smaller and has less gravity so the module using the same rocket system, would look different taking off from the moon than it does from the earth. Just like a man jumping up, running and walking......looks different on the moon than on earth. Gravity is different on both.

Since no one had ever been on the moon before it was actually unknown how much rocket power was actually needed to lift off in a situation of much less gravity. They could only estimate from figureing out the approximate size of the moon and its gravity pull."

NASA sent human lives to the Moon not knowing those things? Really? So they did this great thing largely on guesswork? Here's something else they didn't know - HOW TO DRIVE THE LANDER. And that was only days before they pulled it off "perfectly."
When you look at the way it went up, and the fact that there was no blast or blast crater, you should wonder why.

"As for the "C" on the rock.......... There have been pictures all the time of things in a photo that look like something that isn't really there. That could have been a shadow, or a scratch in the film. This was the first time cameras were used in a setting outside of the earth atmosphere. They could only approximate how a camera or any other mechanical intrumentation would operate under the atmospheric conditions."

Then why do you trust the NASA pictures?

...could have been. You tell me I have no proof, and then YOU offer 'could have been.' Funny how the same scratch, or hair, is on the ground also. Matches the way they do movie props EXACTLY.

"You still state that if Russia KNEW that it was faked, that they didn't do anything about it.

I think you are overlooking the fact that this "race to the moon" was very important to both countries. If the USSR thought they could find any little peice of evidence of the USA faking a moon landing, they would report it to every other country in the world, and be in a better situation in the "space race".."

No sir, I stated that since Russia didn't do anything, they had to have believed it was real. Of course Russia would have done something. As I've already said, they didn't find anything amiss. Nobody did until just a few years ago. Scientists the world over was not going to try and deny something that had been proved a theoretical possibility. When they saw it had been performed, that was it. It took a handful of "nut cases" who weren't afraid to wonder if the government might have been pulling the wool over our eyes. Strange how some of those "nut cases" worked for NASA at the time of the ML.

Yeah, I remember the T.V. broadcasts. Some of the other T.V. programs I remember at that time were The Flintstones and Big Bird. I saw them with my own eyes.

 

[ClonedSIM]

No sir, I stated that since Russia didn't do anything, they had to have believed it was real.

Rash assumption among many for you. Inaction does not equal belief. Inaction simply means they had, and still have, no evidence to the contrary. Amazing that an entire country can't find this "proof" that you wave around so proudly, or perhaps they know what a laughingstock they'd become if they tried to take the evidence you set so much stock in to the media. Good thing you don't have to worry overly much about your own reputation.

Yeah, I remember the T.V. broadcasts. Some of the other T.V. programs I remember at that time were The Flintstones and Big Bird. I saw them with my own eyes.

Mighty juvenile.....

Have you ever seen Holocaust footage on television? The toppling of the towers on 9/11? Do you equate those to Saturday morning cartoons as well?

 

[Hill Billy]

How many believe the moon landing was... a gay topic?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

No sir, I stated that since Russia didn't do anything, they had to have believed it was real.

Rash assumption among many for you. Inaction does not equal belief. Inaction simply means they had, and still have, no evidence to the contrary. Amazing that an entire country can't find this "proof" that you wave around so proudly, or perhaps they know what a laughingstock they'd become if they tried to take the evidence you set so much stock in to the media. Good thing you don't have to worry overly much about your own reputation.

Have it your way, they DIDN'T believe it was real.
Explain why you've been saying they DID.
We've already established that they didn't have evidence to the contrary. That was found much later. And you seem to agree that they didn't find the evidence. But that's a good point about the reputations. Could be. And you are correct, not having to worry about a reputation does allow a person to explore where other are not allowed. But what would you say about the NASA guys who spoke up for what they believed? Some things are more important than reputations. Just for the record, I need to worry about reputation about as much as you do.

Yeah, I remember the T.V. broadcasts. Some of the other T.V. programs I remember at that time were The Flintstones and Big Bird. I saw them with my own eyes.

Mighty juvenile.....

Have you ever seen Holocaust footage on television? The toppling of the towers on 9/11? Do you equate those to Saturday morning cartoons as well?

Mighty juvenile? No, I think juvenile would be to think everything you see on the tube is real. Was that your best shot? I hope not.

Why do you think I should equate the Holocaust and 9/11 with cartoons? I think you need to work up a stronger defence.

BTW, I'm still waiting on you telling me where I didn't address a question. Are you going to tell me, or was you riding a horse that ran out from under you?
I didn't hear anything about my challenge, either. You've got the fuss and feathers, but I don't see the owl. What about it?

 

[Hill Billy]

How many believe the moon landing was... A Killer Find?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

How many believe the moon landing was... A Killer Find?

That would be on one of the boards with "finds" in the title.
Glad I could help, and if you get lost again, just halla.

 

[Dimeman]

KK, You are the one who linked the ML with cartoons ( Flintstones). So do you believe everything broadcast on the radio and TV and in newspapers is false??

Then what about this forum?? If so--- we can say whatever you are posting could be false information.

Besides you were only about 7 or 8 when the ML happened. That is pretty young to really know alot about it at that time.