How many believe the moon landing was...

[Kiwijohn]

Called conspiracy theorists because of the belief there was a conspiracyto fake the landing when in fact we walked on the moon.

Do you think Buzz Aldrin punch the man because he was trying to keep covered a conspiracy, or because he called him a liar for saying he walked on the moon, he risked his life to walk on the moon.

Buzz was educated at the US Military Academy at West Point, graduating third in his class with a BS in mechanical engineering. He then joined the Air Force where he flew F86 Sabre Jets in 66 combat missions in Korea...

Had that turkey done a little research, he could have concluded that calling Buzz Aldrin a ‘coward and a liar’ to his face was never going to deliver a favourable outcome.

 

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[Kentucky Kache]

Don't know, I wasn't there so I can't say yeah or nay, as is the case with every one on this forum.

No one has given me a reason to not to believe. I do know that I watched it on TV as a kid, even went outside and looked at the moon to see if I could see the astronauts and I watched Walter Cronkite as he covered the story live.

If I say I don't believe, then I'll be calling him a liar and I don't think he was. I have more respect for him than I do for just about anybody living.

Anyone that was on the moon at that given time should speak now.

Cronkite was neither lying, nor telling the truth. He was simply reporting what he was told.

Anyone that was on the moon at that given time should speak now.

So, if no one speaks up, I guess that means no one was there. How much time should we give them?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Kentucky: You are forgetting the biggest hoaxes of all, Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal

Don Jose de La Mancha

Why can't we have an intelligent conversation about the moon landing without resorting to this kind of tactic? Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal had nothing to do with the moon, and trying to compare this with that makes no sense. I think you're a better man than that.

 

[Bootyhunter1971]

Called conspiracy theorists because of the belief there was a conspiracyto fake the landing when in fact we walked on the moon.

Do you think Buzz Aldrin punch the man because he was trying to keep covered a conspiracy, or because he called him a liar for saying he walked on the moon, he risked his life to walk on the moon.

According to what I hear about Buzz, he did that because he is a person that few , if any, can get along with...a bit of a conceited chap. But whatever the reason, I think he should have been jailed, the same as anyone else.
Really, punching a guy is not proof of landing on the moon.

"Called conspiracy theorists because of the belief there was a conspiracy to fake the landing when in fact we walked on the moon."


Yes, that is why we're called that, but where is you proof?

Our proof is in the many videos taken, the men who returned and the equipment we left behind on the moon. Where is your proof they didn't, other then your theory?

Judge disagreed with you, when he tried to sue Buzz, the judge threw case out of court and told the man he had it coming.

You have a right to believe what you wish, and if you choose to not believe man walked on the moon, then your part of the 10-12% or so who do not believe it happen, it is your right.

Here is to Neil Armstrong and all who followed him to the moon.....

I've seen "videos" of Bigfoot too, but don't believe that is real either. Videos don't prove squat. Again 1969 talk to moon from Earth-No delay 2009 Talk from New York to L.A. on live tv-2-3 or more second delay...... 'Splain that one to "us 10-12%"

Its called LOS- line of sight. Talking around the world has a delay because you have to beam a signal to a relay satellite and possibly a couple more before the reply has to come back the same route, doubling the amount of "hops".

Transmission to and from the moon were instantaneous because it was a direct shot, only at certain times though. There were periods when no communication was possible, and periods when satellite relays had to be used, and those same pesky pauses applied.

Line of sight you say, huh..... Well when here on earth and the interview is between folks on other parts of earth they are using Sattelites, which with your explanation should be "line of site" and even a shorter trip to the sattelite than to the moon. Your explanation disproves your explanation

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning Kentuck: My Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal response is tailored to your idea that the Moon landing didn't take place rationalization.

.For the moment, shall we set aside the actual landing and concentrate on the 'return'. The vehicle was under close observation / surveillance from lift off at the Moon to final recovery at the sea on the earth. You can believe that the Russians were monitoring it very very closely with their own equipment for many reasons.

Except for a brief radio blackout due to ionization from the heat of reentry, it was under constant radio contact and observation. However even during the radio blackout period, it was being closely tracked by radar, so 'no' momentary lost physical contact occurred. No possibility for a substitute vehicle being slipped in .

The radio contacts were also carefully observed, position located in space, and measured, proving a constantly changing angle, distance from the Moon and location to finally being on the earth.. There is just no way that this could be falsified. the same for Radar observation. Remember, the world was privy to the transmissions and radar contact and verified by the various gov'ts and scientific institutions, NOT just the US..

Now can you explain to me just how a vehicle being constantly and precisely monitored by many different international agencies for movement, angle, distance, and having almost a minute by minute radio contact, could manage a personnel or vehicle transference, if they hadn't been in the vehicle from the start

If they were in the vehicle at the Moon to start with, why not just step outside while you had the opportunity?

The logic of the deniers escapes me.

If you wish, we can get into far more intimate technical details which blows the theory of no Moon landing out the window.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. Remember, I am of the generation that actually listened and watched it, and was vitally interested in entering the space program as an astronaut. X Usaf pilot.

P.P.S. I will also state that I certainly would not put it past the Gov't to do something like this IF it had failed, which it hadn't..

 

[RGINN]

I believe it was real. I don't think our government is capable of keeping that good of a secret. As to radio transmissions on earth, some of them are purposely delayed so if people like me get on there and say God knows what they have the chance to bleep it. I didn't have the chance to watch it on TV but I was listening to it on the radio when it happened. On the other hand, my uncle from Tupelo, Miss. believed it was fake. That's fine, we got along great and never came to blows over our different views.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Good morning Kentuck: My Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal response is tailored to your idea that the Moon landing didn't take place rationalization.

.For the moment, shall we set aside the actual landing and concentrate on the 'return'. The vehicle was under close observation / surveillance from lift off at the Moon to final recovery at the sea on the earth. You can believe that the Russians were monitoring it very very closely with their own equipment for many reasons.

Except for a brief radio blackout due to ionization from the heat of reentry, it was under constant radio contact and observation. However even during the radio blackout period, it was being closely tracked by radar, so 'no' momentary lost physical contact occurred. No possibility for a substitute vehicle being slipped in .

The radio contacts were also carefully observed, position located in space, and measured, proving a constantly changing angle, distance from the Moon and location to finally being on the earth.. There is just no way that this could be falsified. the same for Radar observation. Remember, the world was privy to the transmissions and radar contact and verified by the various gov'ts and scientific institutions, NOT just the US..

Now can you explain to me just how a vehicle being constantly and precisely monitored by many different international agencies for movement, angle, distance, and having almost a minute by minute radio contact, could manage a personnel or vehicle transference, if they hadn't been in the vehicle from the start

If they were in the vehicle at the Moon to start with, why not just step outside while you had the opportunity?

The logic of the deniers escapes me.

If you wish, we can get into far more intimate technical details which blows the theory of no Moon landing out the window.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. Remember, I am of the generation that actually listened and watched it, and was vitally interested in entering the space program as an astronaut. X Usaf pilot.

P.P.S. I will also state that I certainly would not put it past the Gov't to do something like this IF it had failed, which it hadn't..

"My Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal response is tailored to your idea that the Moon landing didn't take place rationalization."

But this kind of tactic only works on the gullable. People who choose to think for themselves are not afraid of these scarecrows. If I believe the moon landing was fake, then that makes me a nut who also believes Columbus never discovered America, Bigfoot lives in my back yard, and the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor. This labeling of people has worked extremely well, and in my opinion, is one of the biggest reasons the moon hoax could be successfully carried out. This tactic works for everything that's called political correctness. Label me if you must, but I am one of those who don't follow the drummer without knowing where he is leading me. I think it's time that thinking people get past that childishness.


You said the vehicle was under close observation / surveillance from lift off at the Moon to final recovery at the sea on the earth. I said earlier that I don't doubt that they sent an unmanned vehicle to the moon. We're not talking about Uncle bob doing this out of his basement at home. We're talking about a country that had, according to you, the technology to put men on the moon. I believe they had the technology to put a lander on the moon. And look at the scientific advancements even before, and especially since that time. America has become the leader of the world because of her wits. There are countries that out muscle us right now, but, at least for now, we are the leader. Why do you think that is? You can believe they knew how to work all the angles.


"The radio contacts were also carefully observed, position located in space, and measured, proving a constantly changing angle, distance from the Moon and location to finally being on the earth.. There is just no way that this could be falsified. the same for Radar observation. Remember, the world was privy to the transmissions and radar contact and verified by the various gov'ts and scientific institutions, NOT just the US..

Now can you explain to me just how a vehicle being constantly and precisely monitored by many different international agencies for movement, angle, distance, and having almost a minute by minute radio contact, could manage a personnel or vehicle transference, if they hadn't been in the vehicle from the start"

You can loose object from radar that are not all that far away.
Radio contact? Do you remember Amelia Aerhart (sp)? Recently there was an attempt to track her plane by the radio transmissions. I could go into details on that, but to make a long story short, Amelia and her plane are still missing. And that was a MODERN attempt.
Having said that, I don't argue that a vehicle wasn't sent to the moon. But don't think for a minute that America couldn't have pulled off the deception. I wouldn't make the statement that something like this would not be possible, and then say that we landed men on the moon. That just don't seem to fit.

If you wish, we can get into far more intimate technical details which blows the theory of no Moon landing out the window.


If you still don't get my point, let me try it again. It is the intimate technical details and the advanced scientific data that allows them to sell this lie to the world. The moon landing was, is, and always will be theoretically possible. Same with mars. Something else that's theoretically possible is time travel. IMO, time travel is another thing that could be sold to the public, and it could be done with only a handful of scientists. The rest of them wouldn't have any proof against the claims, because everything has already been scientifically proved. The only thing these few scientists would have to do is keep everything in secret, not letting the public get near anything. And they might want to do the time travels only a few times...just long enough to get people use to the "fact".
Does all that remind you of anyone?
But the government has no reason to time travel. The government DID have a HUGE reason to land on the moon in the decade of the 60's.


"p.s. Remember, I am of the generation that actually listened and watched it, and was vitally interested in entering the space program as an astronaut. X Usaf pilot."

That's something like vested interest, Isn't it?
I watched it too. And I grew up with dreams of becoming an astronaut, as well as a thousand other things. But none of that means the moon landing was real.



"P.P.S. I will also state that I certainly would not put it past the Gov't to do something like this IF it had failed, which it hadn't.."


Actually, it HAD failed. Remember the Armstrong jettison?

 

[blurr]

Kentucky: You are forgetting the biggest hoaxes of all, Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal

Don Jose de La Mancha

What about September 11th? Another conspiracy. What an evil country we live in

John

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Kentucky, explain to me how they managed to pull a switch and have men in the lander when it returned while it was on constant international observation from lift off from the Moon? Also, if they had successfully landed the Lander on the moon, why not include a human crew? Never short of volunteers for any mission, no matter how suicidal.

As for Amelia, the establishing of the LOP by radio was very inexact then, her position was determined by visual sextant readings, standard shipboard celestial reading technique, but fairly inexact since she was moving relatively rapidly with no visual reference points for corrections. This includes drift, compass inaccuracies for variations in latitude, and Longitude, etc..

We were lucky to establish our position within 1 -2 miles in general.

Also, speaking from personal experience, that is one huge ocean, areas as large as the US with nothing but water. Remember her clock was extremely inaccurate compared to ours of today. Even a $1:00 Timex from Walgren is infinitely more accurate then her's was. An accurate timepiece is critical for navigation.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Kentucky, explain to me how they managed to pull a switch and have men in the lander when it returned while it was on constant international observation from lift off from the Moon? Also, if they had successfully landed the Lander on the moon, why not include a human crew? Never short of volunteers for any mission, no matter how suicidal.

As for Amelia, the establishing of the LOP by radio was very inexact then, her position was determined by visual sextant readings, standard shipboard celestial reading technique, but fairly inexact since she was moving relatively rapidly with no visual reference points for corrections. This includes drift, compass inaccuracies for variations in latitude, and Longitude, etc..

We were lucky to establish our position within 1 -2 miles in general.

Also, speaking from personal experience, that is one huge ocean, areas as large as the US with nothing but water. Remember her clock was extremely inaccurate compared to ours of today. Even a $1:00 Timex from Walgren is infinitely more accurate then her's was. An accurate timepiece is critical for navigation.

Don Jose de La Mancha

First of all, if I could explain it all I'd be as smart as the ones who did it. I'm not. I don't know that there was a switch. I don't know that there wasn't a switch. None of us know for sure. There might have been plenty of volunteers, but that doesn't mean it was done. With a lander you don't have biological concerns that you have with a human. As I asked earlier, would you have sent human lives into jeopardy without first sending an unmanned craft, to prove it could be done? Would you have experimented with human lives that way, when JUST before the event, it was shown that such an attempt would be disastrous?


Regardless of how you explain it, the modern attempt at finding Amelia's plain by radio transmission failed.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Kentucky: You are forgetting the biggest hoaxes of all, Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal

Don Jose de La Mancha

What about September 11th? Another conspiracy. What an evil country we live in

John

That tactic is being worn out, and I think it's time to go past it. The country you're referring to was built on thinking for yourself, not following the politically correct crowd. It wasn't built on lies.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I know said I wasn't going to post on this thread again, if I do at all, my posts will be very few and far between. I am not going to continue to argue about the greatest accomplishment in America's history and in mankind's history with people who refuse to believe it.

I came across this today. Picture here and the rest on the web page were taken last week from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter's Camera, as the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter orbits the moon. More pictures to come as the Orbiter adjust for its final mapping orbit. Higher resolution then will show even more detail....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

I am well aware the non-believers will say it too is a hoax, even with this and the pictures to come as it goes into it's mapping orbit. I look forward to the next batch of pictures for my enjoyment if for no other reason..........

As you say this country wasn't built on lies, I do not believe the greatest accomplish in American history and in mankinds is based on a lie............

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Pleh: Why? I presume that both you and Kentuck must have a specific point to show to bolster or back up you belief, not just a vague "It 'could' have been done this way"

Surely you aren't falling into the common trap that so many do, of just blindly accepting something simply because it is against the gov't? In which case you are guilty of blind, unthinking acceptance, the very thing that you are accusing others of.

While I agree that the Gov't is quite capable of such things, and undoubtedly has done them, the Moon landing was not one since the whole world was witness to a wide open operation which WAS open for the very reasons that you state. It was an ongoing operation that all of the world was invited to witness and follow the progress with their scientific community, from start to finish..

If it had been a trick, we would have gone first, then, if successful in fact or plot, 'told the world. "LOOK WHAT WE DID".

Personally I expect to see an incident of some kind within the next year or less to consolidate Obama's / The Gov'ts power, a LA the Home security thingie.

But I do disagree in taking away any honor or credit from the men that did risk their lives to accomplish this remarkable feat.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Bootyhunter1971]

I know said I wasn't going to post on this thread again, if I do at all, my posts will be very few and far between. I am not going to continue to argue about the greatest accomplishment in America's history and in mankind's history with people who refuse to believe it.

I came across this today. Picture here and the rest on the web page were taken last week from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter's Camera, as the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter orbits the moon. More pictures to come as the Orbiter adjust for its final mapping orbit. Higher resolution then will show even more detail....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

I am well aware the non-believers will say it too is a hoax, even with this and the pictures to come as it goes into it's mapping orbit. I look forward to the next batch of pictures for my enjoyment if for no other reason..........

As you say this country wasn't built on lies, I do not believe the greatest accomplish in American history and in mankinds is based on a lie............

Well Hell Yeah, I see now All these dots and craters prove it Those labels could just as easily say "Mcdonalds and Wal-Mart"

 

[blurr]

Kentucky: You are forgetting the biggest hoaxes of all, Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal

Don Jose de La Mancha

What about September 11th? Another conspiracy. What an evil country we live in

John

That tactic is being worn out, and I think it's time to go past it. The country you're referring to was built on thinking for yourself, not following the politically correct crowd. It wasn't built on lies.

Your problem is that YOU have to prove this is some big conspiracy cover up. Where exactly is your proof? That's what I thought...

John

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I know said I wasn't going to post on this thread again, if I do at all, my posts will be very few and far between. I am not going to continue to argue about the greatest accomplishment in America's history and in mankind's history with people who refuse to believe it.

I came across this today. Picture here and the rest on the web page were taken last week from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter's Camera, as the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter orbits the moon. More pictures to come as the Orbiter adjust for its final mapping orbit. Higher resolution then will show even more detail....

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

I am well aware the non-believers will say it too is a hoax, even with this and the pictures to come as it goes into it's mapping orbit. I look forward to the next batch of pictures for my enjoyment if for no other reason..........

As you say this country wasn't built on lies, I do not believe the greatest accomplish in American history and in mankinds is based on a lie............

Well Hell Yeah, I see now All these dots and craters prove it Those labels could just as easily say "Mcdonalds and Wal-Mart"

CLC,

I knew you would prove my post accurate.

Tell me how do we know there is anything in space, all the pictures could be a scientific hoax to get money.

All of past history could be a hoax, no one living today was ever there. All we have of it are pictures and history books, and they could all be lies.

How do we know anyone ever set foot on the summit of Mt Everest, all we have are their pictures and trash, that could all be a hoax, fake pictures........................

How do we know The Wright Brothers ever flew, all we have are pictures, and history books, it could be a hoax, all lies.

How do you prove anything at all that you can not physically see or touch yourself?

The mind is a terrible thing to waste...............

Peace out KK, I am out of this...................

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Kentucky: You are forgetting the biggest hoaxes of all, Pearl Harbor and Guadalcanal

Don Jose de La Mancha

What about September 11th? Another conspiracy. What an evil country we live in

John

That tactic is being worn out, and I think it's time to go past it. The country you're referring to was built on thinking for yourself, not following the politically correct crowd. It wasn't built on lies.

Your problem is that YOU have to prove this is some big conspiracy cover up. Where exactly is your proof? That's what I thought...

John

Blurr, I will decline your invitation to fight. I will say this. I don't HAVE to prove anything, any more than you do. Why haven't you read the posts? I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself. "That's what I thought..." Is that really what you wanted to say?

 

[blurr]

Sorry, I didn't post anything in the hopes of a fight. My problem with all of this conspiracy BS is that there is no proof. I can go out right this minute and buy actual footage of men walking on the moon. Do you have any footage of NASA faking the moon landing? Proof is a funny thing, it is static. Conspiracy theories on the other hand, twist and contort everytime they are debunked. Sorry, no more posts from me.

John

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Sorry, I didn't post anything in the hopes of a fight. My problem with all of this conspiracy BS is that there is no proof. I can go out right this minute and buy actual footage of men walking on the moon. Do you have any footage of NASA faking the moon landing? Proof is a funny thing, it is static. Conspiracy theories on the other hand, twist and contort everytime they are debunked. Sorry, no more posts from me.

John

It has already been covered. But, if you'd rather no discuss an issue, fine.

 

[Jeffro]

Its called LOS- line of sight. Talking around the world has a delay because you have to beam a signal to a relay satellite and possibly a couple more before the reply has to come back the same route, doubling the amount of "hops".

Transmission to and from the moon were instantaneous because it was a direct shot, only at certain times though. There were periods when no communication was possible, and periods when satellite relays had to be used, and those same pesky pauses applied.

Line of sight you say, huh..... Well when here on earth and the interview is between folks on other parts of earth they are using Sattelites, which with your explanation should be "line of site" and even a shorter trip to the sattelite than to the moon. Your explanation disproves your explanation

My explanation doesn't disprove my explanation at all. You're thinking distance, not LOS. It takes longer to go a shorter distance because the curvature of the earth necessitates using a satellite for a relay. Sometimes three or four if its halfway around the globe. You have no direct line of sight and so you must use relays. These relays are the lag.

However traveling at the speed of light in a straight shot to the moon takes no time at all.