How many believe the moon landing was...

[Bootyhunter1971]

Its called LOS- line of sight. Talking around the world has a delay because you have to beam a signal to a relay satellite and possibly a couple more before the reply has to come back the same route, doubling the amount of "hops".

Transmission to and from the moon were instantaneous because it was a direct shot, only at certain times though. There were periods when no communication was possible, and periods when satellite relays had to be used, and those same pesky pauses applied.

Line of sight you say, huh..... Well when here on earth and the interview is between folks on other parts of earth they are using Sattelites, which with your explanation should be "line of site" and even a shorter trip to the sattelite than to the moon. Your explanation disproves your explanation

My explanation doesn't disprove my explanation at all. You're thinking distance, not LOS. It takes longer to go a shorter distance because the curvature of the earth necessitates using a satellite for a relay. Sometimes three or four if its halfway around the globe. You have no direct line of sight and so you must use relays. These relays are the lag.

However traveling at the speed of light in a straight shot to the moon takes no time at all.

So 40 years after we landed men on the moon and safely returned them, we still can't figure out a way to interview someone a few hundred miles apart without that annoying delay..... Don't make too much sense, and the delay I am talking about is not the same as the delay used to make sure someone doesn't say something offensive, that type delay will delay the showing of the whole interview. The type I am talking about is something that a society that can travel to the moon at will should have found the technology to remedy 4 decades later Sorry to anyone that is offended by my or any one elses "questioning" the moon landing. I am as red blooded, flag waving, proud American as they come, but I will not be blindly led. In all the posts above, I have seen no proof on either side, and I won't either, none of us can ever prove it one way or the other. We will not change each others opinions either, but we can have a healthy debate about it without getting angry. Thats whats great about our country, you can believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, and thats our right. Moon landing or no moon landing America is/was and forever will be the greatest country on this planet. If we faked it, it was absolutely necessary for the big picture of the times. Actually pulling off the hoax of the moon landing would almost be a greater feet actually doing it. I am not saying that we have never been to the moon, I'm just not sure we did it July 20,1969.

 

[BuckleBoy]

So 40 years after we landed men on the moon and safely returned them, we still can't figure out a way to interview someone a few hundred miles apart without that annoying delay.....

It's called scientific law. It'd be like saying "you mean 500 years after the first person weighed themselves on earth we haven't figured out how to make the force of gravity less so that we weigh less?"




I figure we have two options. We can either bore holes through the earth's core and out the other side, through which we'll string communications lines, or we can speed up the speed of light. Then there'd be no relay off satellites.



-Buck

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Pleh I believe that I owe you an apology in directing my post to you.
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As for the rest of the disbelievers, no one has come forward with a plausible explanation as to how, after a completely open invitation to the 'world' to follow and monitor the trip from take off to return to the Earth, they managed to accomplish this with no one in the world questioning it one iota while closely monitoring it.

This includes our arc enemies at the time, the Russians, who had just as sophisticated monitoring equipment and well qualified scientists as the Us, and could easily have found any flaws. There is no question that they would have gleefully pounced upon them then, or even now, if they had any evidence, no matter how weak... .

I am beginning to believe that you do not think for yourself, but by emotional response to the tabloids.. This is precisely how Obama was elected.

And yes, I believe in some of the conspiracy theories, some of which are above any gov't, simply because of the continuing growth of physical evidence. The lunar landing shows no weakness.
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Captain loose, I suggest a course in aerial and satellite reading and interpretation if you think that this photograph is faked.
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Incidentally, I believe that they circled the moon several times with other craft looking for the most suitable and safest landing spot for the astronauts. They actually landed on the Moon first, before sending send up a manned craft. Check the records.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Kentucky Kache]

As for the rest of the disbelievers, no one has come forward with a plausible explanation as to how, after a completely open invitation to the 'world' to follow and monitor the trip from take off to return to the Earth, they managed to accomplish this with no one in the world questioning it one iota while closely monitoring it.

This includes our arc enemies at the time, the Russians, who had just as sophisticated monitoring equipment and well qualified scientists as the Us, and could easily have found any flaws. There is no question that they would have gleefully pounced upon them then, or even now, if they had any evidence, no matter how weak... .

I am beginning to believe that you do not think for yourself, but by emotional response to the tabloids.. This is precisely how Obama was elected.

And yes, I believe in some of the conspiracy theories, some of which are above any gov't, simply because of the continuing growth of physical evidence. The lunar landing shows no weakness.
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Incidentally, I believe that they circled the moon several times with other craft looking for the most suitable and safest landing spot for the astronauts. They actually landed on the Moon first, before sending send up a manned craft. Check the records.


Don Jose de La Mancha

You ask for evidence, when your own accepted evidence is film footage with obvious movie props in it. You want plausible explanations, yet you seem to not care that just days before the event, Armstrong couldn't fly the machine that you say he successfully flew to the moon. Plausibility? Is that what you really want, or do you just want to believe something that you've always loved and believed in, and will never even consider anything to the contrary? Believe it or not, I understand that thinking. I once thought that way myself.

I think you've been reading my posts where I've said that I think they probably sent an unmanned craft to the moon. That would explain the tracking. It would also explain any objects that MIGHT be on the surface. Just look at whats on Mars now. But, there's no people there.

You are beginning to believe that I do not think for myself, but by emotional response to the tabloids? I didn't know the tabloids covered this...probably because I don't read them.

You say you believe in some of the conspiracy theories. Well according to what many are saying here, yourself included, that means you must believe in ALL of them. The lunar landing shows PLENTY of weakness, its just that people don't want to see it.

 

[rginn]

It's just a post about whether you believe the moon landing was real or not. I believe it was, but I can't prove or disprove it. At the time, I wanted to believe it. This was a time when the evening news gave the body count in VietNam, and I was two years away from possibly getting drafted. So if nothing else, it was escapism for me. I just never figured out what the point was, as the space program seemed to kind of fizzle after that.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

hi my friend Kentuk: Question, how is it that after 40 years neither the Russians, nor any other country or group of scientists have never voiced a shadow of a doubt that it happened as shown? Only conspiracy people who make their living off of their agitating presentations have cast any doubts.

No one has explained how they may have transferred live people to a vehicle / lander which was under constant radar and visual observation to and from the moon. Any other vehicle would have easily shown up on radar and visual sightings, there were none, the lander was alone. Obvious conclusion is that they left Earth orbit for the Moon in the space travel vehicle / lander to start with. there is no other logical explanation.

Oh well my friend, I still laugh at the Japanese teaching their school children that they attacked Pearl Harbor in retaliation for our bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic bombs. sigh

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Kentucky Kache]

hi my friend Kentuk: Question, how is it that after 40 years neither the Russians, nor any other country or group of scientists have never voiced a shadow of a doubt that it happened as shown? Only conspiracy people who make their living off of their agitating presentations have cast any doubts.

No one has explained how they may have transferred live people to a vehicle / lander which was under constant radar and visual observation to and from the moon. Any other vehicle would have easily shown up on radar and visual sightings, there were none, the lander was alone. Obvious conclusion is that they left Earth orbit for the Moon in the space travel vehicle / lander to start with. there is no other logical explanation.

Oh well my friend, I still laugh at the Japanese teaching their school children that they attacked Pearl Harbor in retaliation for our bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki with Atomic bombs. sigh

Don Jose de La Mancha

I think you could have picked a much better example. I don't know of a single person who makes a living from saying the moon landing was faked. On the other hand, NASA has exploded with the "true" moon landing, and so has the entire country. You definitely need to pic a better example.

Russia saw and heard what everyone else did. No one else disbelieved it, so why should Russia? It was a spectacular trick, and my hat is off to those who made it work. IF there was a switch, I don't know how it happened. It's not impossible that all three men stayed in the orbiter while the lander landed. I don't have all the answers, but the answers I've heard and continue to hear is not to my satisfaction.

 

[rockhound]

I believe they actually landed on the moon in 1969. They used monkeys for several years, blasting off in space to determine the effects of zero gravity on them. Their physiology is similar to humans, so they learned how to cope with the effects long before they launched a man in space for any duration of time. And I know that electonics were not very advance then either, but neither were automobiles, and they were pretty dependable. Mechanical instruments and machines are maybe not as fast, or accurate as electonic ones, but they are durable and work well enough to make a spce flight to the moon very possible. I have not seen any evidence of the landing being a fake. I do know that a rock from the moon was sold on Ebay and the gov't found the buyer and seller and confiscated that rock. It was not supposed to have been removed from their inventory warehouse. This rock was picked up by one of the astronauts during the landing. It was analysed at the nasa labrotory to determine its chemical and mineral content. They never released the findings of that analysis. This does make you wonder waht they are keeping hidden. But as far as the landing goes, I believe that it went off as planned. rockhound

 

[G.I.B.]

Good men died accomplishing this mission.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Good men died accomplishing this mission.

Do you have the names of any who died on a moon mission?

 

[Shortstack]

Admittedly, there are some questions about the photographs taken on the surface, but I believe the landing was made with the astronauts as stated.
Remember Apollo 13 had big time problems and had to cancel it's landing but still had to circle the moon in order to get on course BACK to the earth. Then, the moon rocks and soil samples proved that the moon's geology is nothing like earth's. With all of the researchers involved in the testing of those rocks, faking them would have not been possible.
Now, the reason we did not go back after 1972 (or whenever the last trip was made) was for 2 reasons. First, the congress stopped approving the funding and second, we were told not to return. The astronauts spotted what appeared to be mining operations on the moon that did not belong to "us". One of the materials that is in large supplies on the moon is Helium 3. The power contained in this material is immense. In controlled reaction, one tablespoon of that stuff could power a small town. That material cost a huge amount to make here on earth, but occurs naturally on the moon. As I've stated, the moon's geology is nothing like earth's.

Back to those photographs so many folks call fake. They were redone to blank out somethings that appeared in the background. Either Armstrong or Aldrin reported alien craft on a ridgeline close by where they were. On a later landing, the fixed camera outside the craft was turned away from where the astronauts were actually working because they were inspecting some ancient structures that were built into a nearby hill and NASA didn't want to openly broadcast that info. There is a lot of info that was kept from us, but it had to do with what the astronaut found on the moon, NOT whether or not they actually went. They DID go.

No matter what is posted by me or anyone else on this thread, no one's opinion will be changed. If you believe it was all a hoax, then you will keep believing that. If you believe they went, you will continue to believe. In the arena of advanced capabilities, no matter which advanced systems are exposed to the public's knowledge, there are so many MORE systems that you do not know about. And, YES. The government and military CAN kept secrets. Been there; done that. Not all of the government is composed of idiots like those sitting in the halls of Congress. I watched a program last night on the SR-71 that mentioned that when the funding was finally stopped by congress, for that aircraft's operations, it was running about $400 million a year. How much of that money do you think was actually going to the SR-71's operations and how much to the development of that plane's replacement? No system that advanced and usuable is ever retired until a fitting replacement is in operation. Been there; SEEN that.

One final point. I do believe that when Don Jose mentioned Pearl Harbor and Guadelcanal, he was pointing out that even though none of us was at either of those places during WW2, we have no doubt that those battles really happened and were not produced on a backlot in Hollyweird.......until well after the fact.

 

[curbdiggercarl57]

Just read all the posts. WOW. That's it, WOW.

 

[rockhound]

I didn't mention the real reason they went to the moon in the first place. They told everyone that it was to beat the Russians to the moon for bragging rights, but what happened in about 1959 or 1960 set the stage for a moon landing. In one or the other years,they discovered, through one of the large telescopes, a satellite or probe of some sort, evidently gathering information about earth. It was very close to but outside the moons orbit. They had to go see what it was. I don't know what they discovered because it was never revealed. And they did find ancient ruins of some civilization on the moon, but this was not revealed either. rockhound

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Then, the moon rocks and soil samples proved that the moon's geology is nothing like earth's. With all of the researchers involved in the testing of those rocks, faking them would have not been possible.

Why would they have to fake them? Why couldn't they have been brought to earth by a lander?

No matter what is posted by me or anyone else on this thread, no one's opinion will be changed. If you believe it was all a hoax, then you will keep believing that. If you believe they went, you will continue to believe.

You're probably right, but I grew up believing the moon landing was real, so you never know.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Evening my friend Kentuck: You posted -->

Russia saw and heard what everyone else did. No one else disbelieved it, so why should Russia?
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Interesting, so why should YOU


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Kentucky Kache]

Sorry, I didn't post anything in the hopes of a fight. My problem with all of this conspiracy BS is that there is no proof. I can go out right this minute and buy actual footage of men walking on the moon. Do you have any footage of NASA faking the moon landing? Proof is a funny thing, it is static. Conspiracy theories on the other hand, twist and contort everytime they are debunked. Sorry, no more posts from me.

John

Spot on. We have found common ground. Beer is on me.

Swr, that's not the kind of proof you usually call for. What's the difference here?

 

[JoeMoto]

Back to those photographs so many folks call fake. They were redone to blank out somethings that appeared in the background. Either Armstrong or Aldrin reported alien craft on a ridgeline close by where they were. On a later landing, the fixed camera outside the craft was turned away from where the astronauts were actually working because they were inspecting some ancient structures that were built into a nearby hill and NASA didn't want to openly broadcast that info. There is a lot of info that was kept from us, but it had to do with what the astronaut found on the moon, NOT whether or not they actually went. They DID go.

More info or sources please.

 

[blurr]

Sorry, I didn't post anything in the hopes of a fight. My problem with all of this conspiracy BS is that there is no proof. I can go out right this minute and buy actual footage of men walking on the moon. Do you have any footage of NASA faking the moon landing? Proof is a funny thing, it is static. Conspiracy theories on the other hand, twist and contort everytime they are debunked. Sorry, no more posts from me.

John

Spot on. We have found common ground. Beer is on me.

It was going to happen sooner or later.

John

 

[Dimeman]

I do think the Moon landing was one of the U.S.'s greatest achievements. But not that we actually landed a man on the moon. But that we convinced so many was a master stroke of propaganda. It sealed the fate of the Soviet Union which for ever more would be recognized as second rate in technology and advancement. this ultimately led to their inability to capitalize on their significant lead in the space race and to their eventual falling behind in an economic race that was the real face of the cold war.

If you think man didn't land on the moon and walk around it, why didn't the USSR, or anyone else, prove it was faked. After all they were the first ones to launch "Sputnik" and wanted to be the first on the moon. You think they wanted to lose the "space race" to be first on the moon Why did they give up wanting to land a man on the moon, after the USA moon landing? Because they KNEW it was real!!!!

If that was all faked, then someone MUST have some kind of proof it was faked. Those online websites that show "proof" it all was faked,well, there are also other websites that can give opposing arguements and reasonable explanations on each of the "supposeadly faked" aspects also.

I believe it was real !!!

 

[jeff of pa]