I believe we need a gun thread. Carrying while detecting?

I remember When Florida was having a problem with bad crime. They pulled a very brilliant stunt over in that state. They allowed everyone to Carry Guns to protect them selves and encouraged citizens to protect themselves (which has developed into one of the best "stand your ground" laws in the USA)
The criminals ran scared and turned to assaulting and Robbing Rental cars because they "Knew the tourists were not Armed" The Rental car companies had to debadge all rental cars of advertising stickers plate frames etc... to protect the travelers from getting robbed. This helped curb the crimes on tourists. I think Avis should have rented a gun with your car. That would have been brilliant, although a little cumbersome in the backgrounding of each renter :)


Data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting statistics shows that from 2005 to 2015, the violent crime rate in Florida decreased by a cumulative 34.9 percent overall.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" passed and went into effect in 2005
 

Childish remark. I'm 6'3" and weigh 200 pounds. I've had to deal with dozens of runts over the years who have a chip on their shoulder. It doesn't end well for them because I have the height, the weight, the strength and the reach. Plus I'm Irish and Scottish, so hitting me only makes me more angry!

Just because I'm not looking to shoot someone who gets in my face doesn't mean I take any crap from people. Mess with me and you will regret it.


Yeah, I know; Everybody on the inturweb is a monster sized ninja that has vanquished all foes without breaking a sweat. :notworthy:
 

Unfortunately the majority of guns that were and are used in mass shootings and crimes in general are illegal guns sold on the black market. I honestly believe if people here weren't allowed to own firearms legally in most states the number of shootings would be exponentially much higher!!!
Hey Tess. I COMPLETELY agree with your train of thought on this but...... "illegal guns sold on the black market". This phrase makes me uncomfortable. I need to dig a little to dissect this. I enjoy reading your posts. Terry
 

Hi, I do not blame your country just do not understand the unhealthy gun culture. TP
Good morning, Pan. Can you define what you mean by the (American?) unhealthy gun culture? ╦╦Ç
 

HI Now thats a stupid statement millions of gun owners in Australia just got gun laws .T P
...... and now, millions of law abiding Australians have become criminals with just the stroke of a pen. ╦╦Ç
 

I have a sneaky pete holster for my Ruger LCP 9mm with laser site and my Springfield .45 XDs. I also have kydex holsters for all my hand guns, you can turn kydex holster upside down and shake it or run wide open and firearm will not fall out, kydex style holsters are my everyday holsters.
TH, you are in FL so there is no need to worry about Kydex holsters. I will no longer use them. With below zero temps, cold weather temps will make Kydex brittle with the possibility of breaking up. ╦╦Ç
 

Hi All ,An Australian female unarmed shoot dead by cop . Why ? TP

Unfortunate and sad. Hopefully justice will be served.

But I don't believe the police will be prevented from carrying firearms in the US anytime soon (though NY Gov Cuomo did try to enact legislation to limit them to seven rounds in their pistols).

Perhaps if that officer had been exposed to proper firearm handling as a child in Somalia it wouldn't have happened? It is being broadcast now that "a loud bang" startled him and he panicked.
 

I wondered what it would take for me to pull my gun to shoot someone. It has changed over time. If I were in my 20's-30's then it would take someone to pull their gun before I would pull mine to kill someone. Now in my 60's putting my life in danger takes much less and I feel it wouldn't even take being confronted with a gun wielding person. If I felt my life was in danger just from a good beating I'd shoot to kill.
 

in Oz:

Self-defence of property

Self-defence as a principle is available for acts in defence of property. However, the use of lethal force is probably not justified under the test set out in Zecevic, with the High Court noting that the only justification for the use of lethal force is in situations where the threat was such, that the person held a reasonable apprehension that death or serious harm may be the result of the attack.

Jurisdictions that make reference to the use of force in the defence of property, such as s 267 and s 274-278 of the Criminal Code 1899 (QLD), generally states ANY use of force in the defence of property must be reasonable and necessary. Therefore, force that is likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm is for the most part, prohibited.

Note that you must prove the use of ANY force was necessary against the perp in your home! This includes restraining them. Homeowners have LOST in Court even on restraint.
You must prove to the Court that perp was using LETHAL force before you can use this defence. 2 cases of convictions of murder on the homeowner show this is very difficult to prove.

I am providing these details as some are calling for gun laws and other laws using the laws in Oz as an example.

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$275.00 fine in Melbourne for riding a bike without a helmet.
$225.00 fine for running a stop sign or red light in a vehicle.
$175.00 fine for leaving your vehicle window open more than 50mm while parked (enforced with a gage)

One of the reasons I would never return. All the trivial nonsense. The fact is these petty laws are ENFORCED!!!! The police park a marked car on the side of the road....remove the rear wheel as if to appear they have a flat tyre....position the speed camera in front of the vehicle....wait for suckers to speed past. Is this not entrapment? Was there a referendum on gun control in 1996?

Sit through a home invasion for fear of litigation from the government or perpetrator? Thats simply PSYCHOTIC.

Chub
 

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I wondered what it would take for me to pull my gun to shoot someone. It has changed over time. If I were in my 20's-30's then it would take someone to pull their gun before I would pull mine to kill someone. Now in my 60's putting my life in danger takes much less and I feel it wouldn't even take being confronted with a gun wielding person. If I felt my life was in danger just from a good beating I'd shoot to kill.

Don't know Kansas law but in Florida under our stand your ground law your allowed to use deadly force if you feel your life is in danger or your in danger of "great bodily harm". In your 60's your in danger of greatly bodily harm in a fight.
 

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Sit through a home invasion for fear of litigation from the government or perpetrator? Thats simply PSYCHOTIC.


Its not just Australia Its lots of places. Thats why we must protect our rights in America. All Rights not just Gun Rights. They appear to be vaporizing.
 

I LOVE the chase. Police officers LIVE for the chase. One BIG problem. No regard for the obvious number of citizens walking the streets that could have been shot and killed. Bad situation, indeed! ╦╦Ç
 

https://youtu.be/3n8KrdixvZc

Multi tasking at its best.

Chub


If you ask me, This Motor is an untrained Idiot. Shooting with houses in the background and approaching the guy with an Empty mag. He struggles with the reload after the fact but that is probably adrenaline. Still total idiot me thinks
 

TH, you are in FL so there is no need to worry about Kydex holsters. I will no longer use them. With below zero temps, cold weather temps will make Kydex brittle with the possibility of breaking up. ╦╦Ç

I was once qualifying my off duty Glock in a Kydex paddle holster and in the speed of the moment, drew a pistol that was in half a holster. It had snapped off when my drawstroke was out of line. Havent used kydex for anything except range fun shooting since.

fwiw, on holsters, my opinion is that you need to try a variety of brands and models. We are all built differently and some brands just work better for some body types. Some years ago, I noticed that every concealment holster I had ever settled on was the deSantis brand.
 

Hi, I do not blame your country just do not understand the unhealthy gun culture. TP

Guns are illegal in some of the most unsafe places of the world. Machetes and knives are just as deadly, and you can't hear stabbings going off around you.
 

Just read all 199 posts on this thread!
It is comforting to me to know the majority of the people here are pro carry. I for one am comforted by the fact that there are good people out there armed. As for the snow flakes out there, As I tell my snow flake in-laws, You are indirectly reaping the benefits of having good people around you armed. Someday an armed citizen just may save your life when some form of evil comes your way.
I live in CA and do have a CCW. They are easier to get that you think. unless you live in LA or SF counties. Then your SOL , I always carry. Violent crime can happen anywhere!
 

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