I forgot to mention.

[lesjcbs]

Folks: Being a school bus driver, I'll be in a training session today so I won't be able to participate in the fun until later today.

10claw: If you post pictures today, keep in mind you will probably be called a liar, a fabricator, a fraud etc by the skeptics. Remember though, every find you make, no matter how small or large while dowsing, if dowsing didn't work you would not have found it while dowsing. It's as simple as that.

Further more, when you make even a small find, that find trumps the most vigorous objections the skeptics can muster. Additionally, it also speaks tons of volumes for dowsing and adds to the already thousands of years of history behind dowsing that it works. Otherwise, people would not continue doing it.

 

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[lesjcbs]

There is an important thing for dowsers being attacked by skeptics to understand. A dowsing skeptic might try to trip you up on the quality of your find. It's clear, what I have found while dowsing and posted in this forum has caused them to sleep less at night.

The first cardinal rule in treasure hunting is to go where treasure is. Example, if you go where there is no gold, you will not find gold, it's just not there to be found by any technique. To find gold, go where gold is. To find silver, go where silver is.

I live in Northern Arizona where there is little or no gold to be found. The nearest famous Gold mine I know about, that operated in the past is several hundred miles south of here called the TIP TOP MINE. North, there is a gold mine up in the Utah Mountains and it is gated and closely guarded. You can't get in there unless you work there. The only thing that was mined around here where I live to any extent in the past was pumice stone.

So, am I going to find GOLD in pumice stone mines? No. Is tinpan going to find pumice stone in those Chinese diggings he talked about? No. Are there Chinese diggings for gold where I live, No. Are there pumice stone mines that have gold in them where tinpan lives? Probably not but only he knows.

When they try to trip you up by saying the quality of your find does not measure up and that’s proof that dowsing doesn’t work, you will know right then and there, they are in trouble with their theories and are being deceptive with you. What really grinds on them is if a dowser is in an area where gold is, that dowser will not only find gold, but will find it many times faster than just using a Metal Detector. In the areas I have dowsed, depending on the size of the area, I calculated my time to targets is no less than 25 times faster than it would have been by sweeping my coil from side to side while overlapping to make sure the entire area is scanned.

To repeat myself. My post (#176) of the rusty rod that was down fairly deep, was about 30 yards (90’) from the edge of the field from where I started. If I had swung my 10.25" metal detector coil to cover the same distance on the same path I walked WHILE DOWSING to where my rods crossed, I would have had to swing it no less than 105 times, and that's not overlapping the coil, but full 10.25" diameter of the coil. Additionally, my dowsing time to rod-cross was right at 1 minute. Further more, that field is in the hills where people rarely go. It is private property and posted "NO TRESSPASING.” But, I had permission to go on it.

QUESTION: HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO SWING A METAL DETECTOR 105 TIMES TO MAKE SURE EVERY INCH OF THE ENTIRE 30 YARDS IS SCANNED? HMM??

So why is tinpan finding and showing gold? Here is why. REFER TO POST #305. He must live in Bendigo Australia. This is taken from the Wikipedia Web Site. “Until overtaken in the 1880s by the Western Australia goldfields, Bendigo was the most productive Australian gold area, with a total production of over 20 million ounces (622 t). There is a large amount of gold still in the Bendigo goldfields, estimated to be at least as much again as what has been removed. The decline in mining was partly due to the depth of mines and the presence of water in the deep mines. With modern technology, Bendigo Mining NL has resumed mining and is currently winning gold at approximately 40,000 ounces (1 tonne) a year.”

Let’s all move to Bendigo Australia where tinpan lives and see how the conversation about dowsing will change and change it will. The bottom line is this: That which is in your area is what you are going to find.

So until then, remember the quality of the find says absolutely nothing about whether or not dowsing works or doesn't work. The quality of the find is irrelevant.

 

[10claw]

very good les.

 

[tinpan]

There is an important thing for dowsers being attacked by skeptics to understand. A dowsing skeptic might try to trip you up on the quality of your find. It's clear, what I have found while dowsing and posted in this forum has caused them to sleep less at night.

The first cardinal rule in treasure hunting is to go where treasure is. Example, if you go where there is no gold, you will not find gold, it's just not there to be found by any technique. To find gold, go where gold is. To find silver, go where silver is.

I live in Northern Arizona where there is little or no gold to be found. The nearest famous Gold mine I know about, that operated in the past is several hundred miles south of here called the TIP TOP MINE. North, there is a gold mine up in the Utah Mountains and it is gated and closely guarded. You can't get in there unless you work there. The only thing that was mined around here where I live to any extent in the past was pumice stone.

So, am I going to find GOLD in pumice stone mines? No. Is tinpan going to find pumice stone in those Chinese diggings he talked about? No. Are there Chinese diggings for gold where I live, No. Are there pumice stone mines that have gold in them where tinpan lives? Probably not but only he knows.

When they try to trip you up by saying the quality of your find does not measure up and that’s proof that dowsing doesn’t work, you will know right then and there, they are in trouble with their theories and are being deceptive with you. What really grinds on them is if a dowser is in an area where gold is, that dowser will not only find gold, but will find it many times faster than just using a Metal Detector. In the areas I have dowsed, depending on the size of the area, I calculated my time to targets is no less than 25 times faster than it would have been by sweeping my coil from side to side while overlapping to make sure the entire area is scanned.

To repeat myself. My post (#176) of the rusty rod that was down fairly deep, was about 30 yards (90’) from the edge of the field from where I started. If I had swung my 10.25" metal detector coil to cover the same distance on the same path I walked WHILE DOWSING to where my rods crossed, I would have had to swing it no less than 105 times, and that's not overlapping the coil, but full 10.25" diameter of the coil. Additionally, my dowsing time to rod-cross was right at 1 minute. Further more, that field is in the hills where people rarely go. It is private property and posted "NO TRESSPASING.” But, I had permission to go on it.

QUESTION: HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO SWING A METAL DETECTOR 105 TIMES TO MAKE SURE EVERY INCH OF THE ENTIRE 30 YARDS IS SCANNED? HMM??

So why is tinpan finding and showing gold? Here is why. REFER TO POST #305. He must live in Bendigo Australia. This is taken from the Wikipedia Web Site. “Until overtaken in the 1880s by the Western Australia goldfields, Bendigo was the most productive Australian gold area, with a total production of over 20 million ounces (622 t). There is a large amount of gold still in the Bendigo goldfields, estimated to be at least as much again as what has been removed. The decline in mining was partly due to the depth of mines and the presence of water in the deep mines. With modern technology, Bendigo Mining NL has resumed mining and is currently winning gold at approximately 40,000 ounces (1 tonne) a year.”

Let’s all move to Bendigo Australia where tinpan lives and see how the conversation about dowsing will change and change it will. The bottom line is this: That which is in your area is what you are going to find.

So until then, remember the quality of the find says absolutely nothing about whether or not dowsing works or doesn't work. The quality of the find is irrelevant.

But a few replies ago I posted a pic to be dowsed A picture dowser claimed there was nothing in the ground and you Les backed them up. NOW you post the above. So which is it Both i think no. Your pedaling backwards.

tinpan

 

[10claw]

hey les, have you noticed how when you put the idiots on ignore they still insist onjump, jerk snap and roll. how in the world did randy boy manage to work all that garbage into them? i think judy had it right when she posted the pseudo clown like a poor old
wooden head. keep up the good work.

 

[lesjcbs]

tinpan: The only picture OKI dowsed for you was your post #285. He also ask you to clarify what you wanted to be dowsed, including if that building was yours or not, but you did not reply. So, he went ahead and dowsed it anyway and posted his answer at post #290 with a red dot on the building. He clearly said there was nothing in the building, and that whatever is in there, was not worth while and whatever was worthwhile, had already been taken out, all of which you verified later. You already said there was nothing but lunch trash in there. But was there gold or silver or some kind of other worthwhile "something" in there at one time in the past?

Now if you want to split hairs, go right ahead. It will get you no where other than showing you are in trouble with your claims that dowsing doesn't work and that you are probably not sleeping well at night as a result. It's clear you don't like the truth, that from 9000 miles away he accurately told you a fact about that building you thought was impossible to do? In reality, it's you who is starting to look funny.

Speaking of funny. Here's a funny for you. There you are tinpan, sitting on or very near one of the largest and hottest gold spots in Australia (maybe in the entire world), yet you restrict yourself to only one tiny method of finding Gold. That is a real dichotomy. Who has gotten to you anyway? I mean, don't ever think for one moment that if I lived near to or on top of a gold hot spot like you do that I would restrict myself to just ONE method of finding it. No sir; not on your life. I would use every available means and method I knew of to find the gold. Sheesh!

FOLKS: Have you noticed how dowsers are held to a much higher standard than those who just use Metal Detectors.

Maybe one day, you will catch on that using both dowsing and metal detectors together will give you a tremendous advantage by leaps and bounds, over just using a Metal Detector. Try it, you'll like it.

BTW, do you own that metal building? ?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~tinpan~

Re: I forgot to mention.
Reply To This Topic #299 Posted Aug 21, 2011, 04:07:32 PM

Art your a picture dowser, you have not dowsed the pic i posted. Any reason, something wrong.

How do you know I have not dowsed your photo? Have you noted that I do not dowse every photo that is put on here?..Do you know what I do when the answer to the first question is “danger”?....Besides that ...if JR says nothing is there why should I bother to waste my time..Art

 

[tinpan]

~tinpan~

Re: I forgot to mention.
Reply To This Topic #299 Posted Aug 21, 2011, 04:07:32 PM

Art your a picture dowser, you have not dowsed the pic i posted. Any reason, something wrong.

How do you know I have not dowsed your photo? Have you noted that I do not dowse every photo that is put on here?..Do you know what I do when the answer to the first question is “danger”?....Besides that ...if JR says nothing is there why should I bother to waste my time..Art

You where openly invited to dowse the pic and prove me wrong. You did nothing Why because your a fake . Thats the truth

tinpan

 

[aarthrj3811]

~tinpan~

You where openly invited to dowse the pic and prove me wrong. You did nothing Why because your a fake . Thats the truth

Thank you tinpan for showing us how the skeptic mind works. I am sorry that you think you have control of what I do. The only one that I have to make happy is myself..Art
It is a common psychological problem in that insecure people tend to project their personal deficiencies un-to another in self defense, they are sure trying to pass theirs lack of knowledge over to you

 

[lesjcbs]

tinpan: OKI already dowsed picture #285 and his answer is at #290.

GANG, here's part of how tinpans obituary might read. Lived a life of skepticism. Believed nothing, had faith in nothing, hoped for nothing, allowed himself to be influenced by negativism only, and would not find out by himself or for himself.

He used only one method of finding gold when he could have used at least two maybe more. Now that He's gone, no one will ever know how many gold nuggets he missed or how much faster he would have found the ones he did find if only he had not been so pig headed. All he had to do was pick up a couple of cheap old coat hangers and dowse. But he didn't. So sad too bad. It's now too late for him.

 

[tinpan]

FOLKS: Have you noticed how dowsers are held to a much higher standard than those who just use Metal Detectors.

Actually, dowsers are thought to be cocoa for coco puffs. If you research through these threads, you will find dowsers claiming there are "treasures" in practically any picture/photograph posted.

Dowsing has been discredited by Science for many years. The dowsers posting in these threads confirms what Science has said, by continuously claiming to "know" where precious metals are via pictures or waving dowsing wands around. Even though they (dowsers) have never dug any of the aforementioned

Of the 56,000 topics posted in Todays finds , how many have dowsers posted ? My thats alot of finds by mainly MDs Dowser method is proven better by what ??

tinpan

 

[lesjcbs]

tinpan: Have you dowsed where you are at or are you just a disciple of doubt and negativism? Actually, it was my shovel that found my targets and it happened in this sequence.

1. I dowsed from a long distance (30 yards) to get an indication of what direction to go in.

2. I walked and dowsed in that direction about 30 yards distance until my rods crossed.

3. I turned on my Metal Detector which verified and witnessed that there was indeed a target of some kind under where my rods crossed.

4. I dug out the target with my shovel. ,

Conclusion: If my rods had not first crossed where they did, I would not have had any kind of a clue to search that particular spot only and thus would not have found that particular target in that GREAT BIG FIELD now would I? DAH. . Also, nothing can change the fact my rods crossed over an unseen target and whether I dug it out with a shovel, a pick, or a stick of dynamite or whatever else, means nothing. The target was there and that is a fact you cannot change, no matter how much you think differently.

 

[tinpan]

tinpan: Have you dowsed where you are at or are you just a disciple of doubt and negativism? Actually, it was my shovel that found my targets and it happened in this sequence.

1. I dowsed from a long distance (30 yards) to get an indication of what direction to go in.

2. I walked and dowsed in that direction about 30 yards distance until my rods crossed.

3. I turned on my Metal Detector which verified and witnessed that there was indeed a target of some kind under where my rods crossed.

4. I dug out the target with my shovel. ,

Conclusion: If my rods had not first crossed where they did, I would not have had any kind of a clue to search that particular spot only and thus would not have found that particular target in that GREAT BIG FIELD now would I? DAH. . Also, nothing can change the fact my rods crossed over an unseen target and whether I dug it out with a shovel, a pick, or a stick of dynamite or whatever else, means nothing. The target was there and that is a fact you cannot change, no matter how much you think differently.

I don,t random hunt feilds. Treasure is deposited in 2 ways. First natural treasure is deposited by nature and the second man-made treasure is deposited by human motion. Put well recored history and know something about those who where there at the time. When i use the best suites MD for that location. Coil and settings are just as important.

I unlike you i,m no NuffY. Full of story time. Your not even close to be a Treasurehunter just a soft cream puff.

tinpan

 

[aarthrj3811]

~tinpan~

I unlike you i,m no NuffY. Full of story time. Your not even close to be a Treasurehunter just a soft cream puff.

No...He is a new Dowser asking questions...Art

 

[lesjcbs]

Nuffy. A term used to describe people that are mentally deficient (or just plain stupid). Getting to you aren't I tinpan?

tinpan: Don't you know name calling gets you nowhere but shows your true lack of character? I mean, surely you can do better than that?

tinpan: If you only knew. But since it's none of your business, you will never know why and what I am doing as I will never tell you. I just let you know only that which I want you to know and that's all. BTW, my daddy was a cream puff also but he was bigger than your daddy.

Folks, last night, I started feeling sorry for tinpan and others like him. They need help and in a big way. They keep saying science has discredited dowsing, but have not shown where one can go to see how and when that discrediting event occurred. I mean, they keep bringing it up but don't reference it. So, being a nice guy, I did about 10 minutes worth of research and here is a site I found where you can read how science discredited dowsing.

http://www.theness.com/index.php/dowsing-in-connecticut/

If you will notice, it's focus is on water dowsing only. Here is what it says in the last sentence of the fourth paragraph of that article. “The good citizens of our state have paid countless thousands for these con artists to tell them where to dig wells on their land, when, in fact, there is water in almost all areas of the state at depth.”

Now that sounds conclusive doesn't it? So let’s all pack up our bags and go home. WAIT, hold on a second, there’s more to this. The key is in the last sentence and it's a vague statement: "…there is water in almost all areas of the state AT DEPTH.” So water is almost everywhere AT DEPTH in the state of Connecticut is what they are saying.

I got to thinking about “AT TEPTH” and what it means. Then the missing question came to me: “AT WHAT DEPTH. HOW DEEP?” You see folks; water dowsers are able to determine at what depth “at depth” is (see post #16). My rancher cousin in Utah for example dowsed water for his ranch. He told the driller he would hit water at about 70’ down. They hit water at 72.’ HOW DID HE DO THAT? Well, in point of fact, calling out the depth is standard procedure for experienced water dowsers.

"At depth" is just another way of saying: We don't know how deep down the water is, but it's down there somewhere.

Well how about asking a water dowser how deep down the water is , they can tell you real fast.

 

[10claw]

les, there is one more thing about depth. that is the depth of tinpans mentality. he actually thinks ( pseudo science of course') like randy boy programmed him, that he can pick up a turd by the clean end.

 

[lesjcbs]

Hey, stop it, I just fell off my chair laughing. OUCH!

There's not a great deal of thinking going on with those guys is there?

I think (see, there I go again) the reason is they depend on technology to do the thinking for them. Technology, being what it is, is good, but limited in only to what it is programmed to do and nothing else. Can one use a Metal Detector as an indicator or pointer as to what direction they should go in to find a target that turns out to be 30 yards away? I did with my $25.00 dowsing rods a week or so ago and posted the picture of the target that was over there. It was an 8" L x 1/4" D rusty rod buried several inches in the ground. I mean "DAH" to them as they keep slobbering about it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Can one use a Metal Detector to use as an indicator or pointer as to what direction they should go in to find a target? I did with my $25.00 dowsing rods a week or so ago and posted the picture of the target that was over there.

These guys do not understand the limitations that conventional metal detectors have...They hope that the loose change that someone has lost has not been there for many years..They do not understand that mother earth puts an average ½ inch of new soil on top of the objects every year..The do not know that pin-pointers and bigger coils are the biggest sellers in their hobby. They do not read the rest of this site or they would know that there are many problems with their devices. One example is how they discriminate between pull tabs and gold rings.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,143399.0.html
I have only hunted in a Park a few times as it is no fun...They do not understand that Dowsing is much cheaper and can cover more ground in minutes...Art

 

[lesjcbs]

Yes, I know what you mean. Parks are frustrating.

If I am in a very small area, I use my MD. If I am in a very large area I use dowsing.

tinpan has said we look stupid. When I first started dowsing, I really did feel stupid. I had been a skeptic before that but I decided to find out for myself and the rest is history.

I really don't know what else to say about it. It works, I don't know how but it does and I enjoy every moment of going into a large area I have never been in before and finding unseen targets in the ground. It's amazing.

I triangulated a target just the other day and was right on. Split the arrow on it you might say.

 

[pronghorn]

They do not understand that mother earth puts an average ½ inch of new soil on top of the objects every year..

The above statement is a lie made up by Art.
It is lies like this that prove you are all full of it.
Art tell lies and nobody calls him on it.

If the statement were true, civil war relics would have
over 70 inches of soil over them.
Custers camp garbage which can still be found in my
area would have over 50 inches of soil over it yet it is
still being found in 6 inches or less.

It is no wonder why so few live in your make believe
world!