I Think its a Grave Marker... Maybe??

[diggummup]

I Think it's a Grave Marker... Maybe??

Rescued from a garage sale. Can you help me find out where it belongs? I can find no info. on who this person was or what state they lived in, even with the info. listed on the marker. The company is not that old, it was founded in 1944. I will email them with this link to show the photos, maybe they can tell me something. I'd like to get it back to it's proper place.
Here's the pics-

 

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[chrisplay2004]

I come from a long line of Morticians and was a funeral director for many years and never saw one like that.
I also did some creative google-ing and could not come up with it.
If you could give us a size it might help. It looks about 6"x10"? Could be for an urn?

 

[Bramblefind]

I found his death certificate on Ancestry.com. He died in Jenkins, Letcher Co. Kentucky. Here is the info:

Kentucky, Death Records, 1852-1953 about George Carter

George Carter
Death Date: 21 Jun 1936
Death Location: Letcher
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Birth Date: 9 May 1919
Birth Location: Tennessee
Father's Name: Bert Carter
Father's Birth Location: Morgan, Kentucky
Mother's Name: Estell Phipps
Mother's Birth Location: Morgan, Kentucky


A member there has entered him on her family tree - not sure if you can access it:

- Ancestry.com

If you can't access it let me know and I can send the member who posted it a message and link them to this thread.

 

[diggummup]

Thanks, I can't access it without a membership. Maybe you could link them to this thread as stated? I appreciate it.

 

[diggummup]

I come from a long line of Morticians and was a funeral director for many years and never saw one like that.
I also did some creative google-ing and could not come up with it.
If you could give us a size it might help. It looks about 6"x10"? Could be for an urn?

It's approx. 6"x6" not counting the Boy Scout logo. If you click on one of the memorials you'll see the grave markers with what appears to be a rod with an arrow type tip that sticks in the ground. Bronze Craft: White Bronze Hardware, Tilt-Turn Hardware, Sobinco Hardware, Ultraflex Control Systems I imagine that is what this is.

 

[GaRebel1861]

 

[Catobra]

So nice of you, Digg. Very sad that it somehow went missing from its intended home. Maybe stolen?

Great id Bramble.

 

[cw0909]

digg after reading this im sure they will help you if they can
Manufacturer Makes Good on Stolen Markers
Manufacturer Makes Good on Stolen Markers - Nashua, NH Patch

 

[diggummup]

I appreciate it everyone. I emailed the company, I will try calling them on Monday. There are a lot of Troop 71's in the Boy Scouts. There are 3 or so in Ky. None of them are close to Letcher county. Could this be a memorial plaque commissioned by someone in that particular Troop? Probably not, more than likely just an attribute to his accomplishments in life since he was so young. I wasn't able to find him on findagrave.com. I've also emailed the president of the Letcher County Historical and Geneological Society, if anyone could help, they could/should. I'm sure we'll be able to get this back where it belongs.

 

[cw0909]

still looking digg,im going to see if the County Coordinator can find/know anything
KYGenWeb Project - Online Kentucky Genealogy Resources

 

[Moonrover]

Bramblefind ... Good sleuthing! Can you read the info in line 18 of the death cert? Seems like it might list either a town or a cemetery name. Just Googled for cemeteries near Jenkins, KY and did not see any that could be interpreted as Drumfries? Or whatever. Is there a town in KY that is similar to that name?

I was thinking that if the actual grave site could be located there may be a bronze plaque there. The one found by diggumup could either be an intended corrected replacement for that one or maybe a plaque never got to the grave site. Reason for the latter could be as simple as, nobody got around to placing the plaque. Might have been kept in the family home as a mantle memorial. The pristine condition indicates that it probably never was outside in the weather.

Anyway this is an interesting thread. I love a good "fact" hunt.

M

 

[River Rat]

I checked for the name in Find-A-Grave and nothing popped up under his name.

 

[Moonrover]

More study on the listed burial town or cemetery ... looks like it could be Dunham. Just up the mountainside from Jenkins. However no amount of searching can locate a cemetery in vicinity of that town. Three are closer to Jenkins. By the way, Jenkins is the birthplace of Francis Gary Powers, history making U-2 pilot of the cold war era.

Edit: there really is a cemetery in Dunham, KY. Has 30 people listed as per Find-A-Grave. None are Carter. Possibly there are more buried there but the researcher who visited the cemetery could only locate 30 stones. Adds another level to the mystery. Did the family of George Allen Carter place a stone? Maybe the plaque paid for by the Boy Scout troop was going to be the only marker. The area was probably dirt poor back in the early post depression days.

Summation of my opinion ... Carter is probably in an unmarked plot. Slim chance to find it unless the cemetery caretaker has access to burial records.

M

 

[cw0909]

im not sure George was buried in Letcher Co. Kentucky,i havent been able to find any records
other than what Bramble found,there could be a lot of reasons why, no other records have not
been found. ill check other counties as time allows
Surnames Beginning with with C.
Letcher County Cemetery Records - Interment Index
Indexed by Internment Name
Letcher County Cemetery Records - Interment Index

 

[cw0909]

i emailed Brian early this morn,and received a reply this afternoon,it addresses the mothers name
issue i was having,
IE: from email, According toStella's death certificate, her parents were supposedly listed as GeorgePhipps
and Polly Phipps
maybe with the new and correct info,Georges marker can be returned to his
grave or a loved one
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Brian K. Caudill 4:14 PM 8/26/2012
cw0909
I don't know if I can be much help, ornot. George Carter and his mother, Stella, are buried in the DunhamHill Cemetery
in Dunham, Letcher County, KY (supposedly on Rt.805). They are listed in my Letcher County cemetery book asfollows:
Stella Carter, b. 06/20/1892, d. 10/20/1939
George Carter, b. 05/09/1919, d. 06/21/1936
I found this family listed in the 1930 LetcherCounty, KY, census as follows:
(Jenkins Town)
Carter, Bert 33 KY KY KY
Stella 35 KY NC NC
George 10 TN TN? TN?
I also found a Letcher County marriage recordfor Bert Carter and Stella Phillips on 3/15/1918. Bert'sparents were listed as Ed Carter and Georgia Ann Jordon, and Stella'sparents were listed as George Phillips and Polly Phillips. It alsosaid that Bert was from OH and Stella was from VA. According toStella's death certificate, her parents were supposedly listed as GeorgePhipps and Polly Phipps. The Phipps surname seems to match what'son George's death certificate, as well.
Evidently, according to the 1940 Letcher County,KY, census Bert must have remarried shortly after Stella died asfollows:
(Burdine Precinct, Jenkins)
Carter, Bert 42 KY
Velma 27KY
Daily, Cherry 8 KY (Step-daughter)
Peggy Ann 6 KY (Step-daughter)
Earl 4 KY (Step-son)
Linda Lee 2 KY (Step-daughter)
I believe Velma's maiden name was Vanover, d/oPatrick Hagen Vanover and Virginia "Jinnie" Ratliff. Shewas first married to Cecil Dailey, ca. 1931. Sorry I can't be morehelp. Take care and good luck.
Brian K. Caudill

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ps,Brian K. Caudill,lives out of state,i dont think he can help more with the marker

 

[Ism]

It is a memorial plaque that is placed at the grave site. War vets get similar ones. It would have had a long brass/copper rod that slips through the tab holes and generally threads into the top tab.
They often are removed from the grave sites now because they get stolen for the brass. I hope I'm not answering something already known. I didn't see anything in the thread that actually explained what it was.

 

[diggummup]

Bramblefind ... Good sleuthing! Can you read the info in line 18 of the death cert?

I was thinking that if the actual grave site could be located there may be a bronze plaque there. The one found by diggumup could either be an intended corrected replacement for that one or maybe a plaque never got to the grave site. Reason for the latter could be as simple as, nobody got around to placing the plaque. Might have been kept in the family home as a mantle memorial. The pristine condition indicates that it probably never was outside in the weather.

Line 18 says Dunham Ky. The H looks like an F because of the G on the line below it. You mentioned it and CW confirmed it (Good Work CW!)- George was buried in the Dunham Hill Cemetery which is also where his mother is buried. I think the key to this, may end up being the Boy Scout troop 71 reference after all. I'm gonna wait till tommorrow and make a couple phone calls and see what else I can come up with. I agree with your statements about the plaque itself, it does look as if it's been inside since it was made.

 

[diggummup]

It is a memorial plaque that is placed at the grave site. War vets get similar ones. It would have had a long brass/copper rod that slips through the tab holes and generally threads into the top tab.
They often are removed from the grave sites now because they get stolen for the brass. I hope I'm not answering something already known. I didn't see anything in the thread that actually explained what it was.

Kind of mentioned it in reply number 5 but that's okay. This one has a threaded hole at the bottom and two
un-threaded tab holes at the top with a non holed tab below those two. This one is a little larger than the ones i've seen in person. But still looks as if it's made to stick out of the ground with a rod.

I'm hoping Bramble can get a hold of the person who listed him on their family tree.

 

[Bramblefind]

Great work CW on finding the cemetery info!

Last night I did write the Ancestry.com member who posted the tree- haven't heard back yet. It does indicate that she has logged in this month so hopefully she will see it soon and reply.

 

[ABruce]

You guys have done a great job of finding put the information on that Boy Scout and his family. I just hope that if the family gets the plaque, they don't put it back on the gravesite. Those things last about a day before some cretin will steal it for the metal content. You can't find any of those metal plaques around here any more. Even in an upscale neighborhood like I'm in. These metal scavengers steal anything.