Identifing Points By Their Characteristic Flaking. (Lovel Constricted)

[old digger]

Here is an example of charatistic flaking in identifing a point that has lost part of it's base. This is a Lovell Constricted point that I have. I was fortunate to meet, and show it to Wilfred Husted. He oversaw the digs in the Big Horn Canyon before it was flooded, and was doing the digs for the Smithsonion.
He conferred that with colateral flaking and the flaking on the one side along the upper cutting edge (between arrows) makes it a high probablity that it is a Lovell Constricted.
The point material appears to be quality KRF. The orange colored side was exposed for some time to give it that hue.

 

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[old digger]

That point is a nice example even though the base is clipped. I love how the picture of the Lovell point and you piece almost match in flaking. The oblique transverse flaking and the tip where you have it marked are awesome indicators to the type!........Nice!!

Thanks Chris, I appreciate your input very much!

 

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[old digger]

Reminds me of "Elk River" points here in the east. Diagnostic flaking is the key to put points in the right time frame. Fakes often have the shape but the flaking is the truth.

Thanks Rege-PA for your input!

 

[old digger]

Here is a South Dakota KRF example of the type from my collection.

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That is a very fine example, thank your for taking the time to post such a nice point. Do you have a locality that it was found, just curious beacuse I have always been facinated with these particular points.

 

[old digger]

Thanks, that's a nice artifact and good info and illustration...

I recently got to handle a very nice point that I believe was a Lovell or some other late Paleo artifact. It was found in Southwest ND or Northwest SD. It had the nicest parallel oblique flaking like an Allen but had the outline of a Lovell or Pryor Stemmed. I wish I had a pic of it.

I think a lot of people mistake Duncan/Mckean for Pryor stemmed/Lovell..

Here's a picture of one at the local museum (I assume the typology is correct but it could be wrong).
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Thank You, ''coteau'' for joining in and sharing the photo! The point that is labeled Pryor-Stemmed/Lovell Constricted looks somewhat more like the Lovell Constricted. From my research the ''Pryor'' and the ''Lovell'' are very close in age (6000bp-8000bp) if I am correct. I believe the Pryor Stemmed is slightly older. Below is a photo of a drawn diagram of an original found point. Notice the flaking extending down from the point on the right, clear down to the base.

 

[old digger]

So what does this one quailfy as?View attachment 787646

Boy! That sure is some pretty material, and nice workmanship! Hard to tell, but is the base broken or is it concave with a slight break?

 

[quito]

That is a very fine example, thank your for taking the time to post such a nice point. Do you have a locality that it was found, just curious beacuse I have always been facinated with these particular points.

It came out of a collection from Timberlake SD. So I would guess the upper stretch of the Missouri in South Dakota is where it was found.

 

[rock]

So what does this one quailfy as?View attachment 787646

Im not from your area but I would guess Woodland.

 

[old digger]

Im not from your area but I would guess Woodland.

Rock, I would say that these two points are much older than Woodland points. If I am correct Woodland points date from 6000 bp - 3000 bp, and Lovell and Pryor points date 8500 bp - 6000 bp. Just a tad bit older.

 

[quito]

Rock, I would say that these two points are much older than Woodland points. If I am correct Woodland points date from 6000 bp - 3000 bp, and Lovell and Pryor points date 8500 bp - 6000 bp. Just a tad bit older.

I think rock was referring to sheperdess's petrified wood knife.

 

[larson1951]

Here is a South Dakota KRF example of the type from my collection.

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this is a duncan/hanna type from the missouri river villages in the dakotas
this one shows more hanna characteristics but this type can vary
it is a fine KRF example

 

[rock]

I think rock was referring to sheperdess's petrified wood knife.

yes I was. sheperdess's shows scattered flaking

 

[old digger]

I think rock was referring to sheperdess's petrified wood knife.

It is yet a really nice find, and does show some decent flaking.

 

[Sheperdess]

Boy! That sure is some pretty material, and nice workmanship! Hard to tell, but is the base broken or is it concave with a slight break?

It is not broken at all, but it should be as I found it in the barnyard and must have run over it with the pickup a million times.

 

[quito]

It is not broken at all, but it should be as I found it in the barnyard and must have run over it with the pickup a million times.

It's amazing what some of these relics have been through and still appear to be as nice as can be. That really is a nice knife you have there my friend!

Joel

 

[Get-the-point]

Awesome examples everyone!!

 

[Sheperdess]

Thanks Joel.
It is my pride and joy.

 

[chase2]

Seems rather pathethic with all the so called brilliant artifact ''know-it-all's'' that lurk this site, that when you post a serious learning/teaching Thread, it is ignored. Oh, well, what is the point in posting in the first place!

Sai wani lokoci!

Old Digger, you are right! when there are members that have the knowledge, it should be shared. That is a very nice artifact you have! I really do not get into the type(identification of points)for variants with few exceptions. Flaking patterns do make more of a culture and various points make up that culture. You all seem to have a handle on some of the types of flaking. Oblique, Transverse, lateral, have a distinct pattern match. Outerpas is of an older cultures. (Clovis) the more recent a point is it loses the finer flaking and became more utilitarian with a random flaking pattern. The best way to learn what you are looking at is with illustrations of of real points showing the flaking on the point.(just as you are showing in you post of what a rendition of the completed version) I am new to this site, but will give what information I can.

 

[Tnmountains]

I am here to learn and share also. I just can't always get to everything. It took me 2 hours to do a post yesterday cause I had to go do other stuff. Plus I am often wrong. I have some good illustrations on flake work and will try to get back to share .this is a good post to learn old digger .