In-situ from today

Charmin · May 2, 2011

Well I found one whole point today :hello2:

. Not sure on type. :icon_scratch:

It was on one of our favorite gravel bars that had been washed pretty good from a recent rain. Lots of flint and a couple of broken tools.
Pics.............

Charmin · May 2, 2011

Now, I've got a question for you guys(and gals)......Does anyone ever find pecking stones or hammerstones made from quartz? I have found 2 quartz stones on this gravel bar and they both have rounded off edges like maybe they were used as hammerstones. Does quartz fracture too easily to use as such? It is very unusual for me to find quartz and I have never found a quartz point.
Here's some pics of the quartz stones. Thanks for any help!

Felinepeachy · May 2, 2011

That point is really nice. I love how it resembles grains of wood.

Charmin · May 2, 2011

Felinepeachy said:
That point is really nice. I love how it resembles grains of wood.

Thanks Peachy!
I've been looking on the Oklahoma Projectile Points website----That point looks kinda like a 'Hickory Ridge'
( http://www.projectilepoints.net/Pages/Searches/Points/Hickory Ridge.html ), but it also looks kinda like a 'Kay Blade', too :dontknow:

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huntress104 · May 2, 2011

Wow, love the pink color in the first arrowhead. That wash looks like a really good place. nice finds!!

JUNKYARD DOG · May 2, 2011

sorry i cant help on the type or material, but i will say its real
nice, love the color. the quartz i see around here is more coarse
or grainey, yours looks like its been handled alot.. Nice washout.
good luck and take care.. JYD...

beulahlandgirl · May 2, 2011

Nice Sis!! Did you squeal?!

Charmin · May 3, 2011

huntress104 said:
Wow, love the pink color in the first arrowhead. That wash looks like a really good place. nice finds!!

Thanks huntress--This 'wash' has produced quite a few artifacts for us.

JUNKYARD DOG said:
sorry i cant help on the type or material, but i will say its real
nice, love the color. the quartz i see around here is more coarse
or grainey, yours looks like its been handled alot.. Nice washout.
good luck and take care.. JYD...

Thanks JYD--And thanks for the opinion on the quartz. :icon_thumright:

boulangergold99 said:
Nice Sis!! Did you squeal?!

Yes, I did squeal just a little :tongue3:

. It was a thrill to find one whole.

catherine1 · May 3, 2011

Great pics!! Those last rocks look natural. The first are awesome. Thanks for the post

naturegirl · May 3, 2011

Congratulations on a whole point, they seem to be few and far between around here! Pretty Kay county pink, I have no idea about the ID. Not sure on that material on the other one. I haven't found anything like it, I'll look in the 'eye candy' book :laughing9:

I'm glad you asked about the quartz, ditto for me. In fact, I just brought home a fairly large chunk from the sifted spot. I rarely find quartz that large, but my piece looks untouched. Your pieces at least look like they have been smoothed, or worked. Glad for your finds!

Charmin · May 3, 2011

catherine1 said:
Great pics!! Those last rocks look natural. The first are awesome. Thanks for the post

Thanks for the opinion of the rocks--I'm still undecided on those :dontknow:

. If I found more of that material on the gravel bar, I would say they were natural, too, but since that quartz is unusual for my area, I went ahead and brought them home to fondle and speculate about

. That little piece on the right end of the picture was found in a creek bank that was literally packed with other debitage.
Thanks catherine1~

naturegirl said:
Congratulations on a whole point, they seem to be few and far between around here! Pretty Kay county pink, I have no idea about the ID. Not sure on that material on the other one. I haven't found anything like it, I'll look in the 'eye candy' book I'm glad you asked about the quartz, ditto for me. In fact, I just brought home a fairly large chunk from the sifted spot. I rarely find quartz that large, but my piece looks untouched. Your pieces at least look like they have been smoothed, or worked. Glad for your finds!

Please do look it up in your 'eye candy' book, Lisa. Could it be a Hopewell point--similar to the Hopewell Grand? I think that Kay county flint is probably my favorite of all to find---It shines like a diamond on the gravel bars, especially after a rain.
The gray material with the white spots on the other one--Could that be Reeds Spring Chert? That piece is worked on the rounded edge--the other side is broken(I think), it looks like maybe it was a knife or something.
And I'm glad I'm not the only one finding quartz around here. I don't think that material is natural for our area, is it?
Appreciate the comments and let me know if you come up with an ID on the point. :hello:

Carmon~~~

DemonCatSpaceStar · May 4, 2011

Hello, I'm not sure but the first Arrowhead looks like it could be made out of Sioux Quartz. It's found in NE & E Central KS.
BTW Nice! :icon_thumleft:

Phil

tmodel · May 4, 2011

that is a mighty pretty bulleye point! could it be made of petrified wood? would love to find some points of that and the gray and white material in my area.

Charmin · May 4, 2011

DemonCatSpaceStar said:
Hello, I'm not sure but the first Arrowhead looks like it could be made out of Sioux Quartz. It's found in NE & E Central KS.
BTW Nice!

Phil

tmodel said:
that is a mighty pretty bulleye point! could it be made of petrified wood? would love to find some points of that and the gray and white material in my area.

Thanks guys--I'm pretty sure this is Kay County Flint or chert that this pink point is made from---Still not too sure on the type---some of the other types of points found on this particular gravel bar were Hopewell, a broke corner tang, and Scallorn to name a few. That pretty pink flint (that this point is made from) is the prominent flint in my area along with Foraker(Foracre) chert.
Tmodel--that gray and white material has me stumped--I have researched and think it might be that 'Reeds Spring Chert' because there is supposed to be an outcropping of that material in a county west of me. The natives may have packed it in here---I wish it had been whole! It looks like the top corner of a nice knife....the material has some beautiful flaking on it that I couldn't get to show in the picture and it is very thin---it would have been a killer knife!.
Appreciate the comments DCSS and Tmodel!

naturegirl · May 5, 2011

I think the last whole point I found is Reed springs chert, as well as a nice core(I guess that's what it is), pretty material. but it doesn't look like your point :dontknow:

Here's a link to a bit of info on the chert, maybe you've seen it....Don dickson said something about 26 variations of this chert? :tongue3:

It just gets difficulter and difficulter! I just need to find more stuff.
http://www.lithicsourcing.com/index_files/ReedsSpring.htm

lisa

Charmin · May 5, 2011

naturegirl said:
I think the last whole point I found is Reed springs chert, as well as a nice core(I guess that's what it is), pretty material. but it doesn't look like your point Here's a link to a bit of info on the chert, maybe you've seen it....Don dickson said something about 26 variations of this chert? It just gets difficulter and difficulter! I just need to find more stuff.
http://www.lithicsourcing.com/index_files/ReedsSpring.htm

lisa

It is difficult to discern for me too, Lisa......It would be so nice to have a book that showed all the types of flint/chert found in Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri. And show the areas where the outcroppings of flint were located as well as the different variations of the chert. I NEED PICTURES

(and close-up ones at that!). It seems like the books I have don't show the true colors of the flint most of the time---Its probably hard to photograph some kinds of flint and bring out their actual colors.
Thanks for the link on the Reed Springs Chert!
Carmon

Fla-Gal · May 6, 2011

The first point is really beautiful material-realize this might be rather "Nutty", but is it feasible to remove at least a 3X3 top layer of the stones ? Just gotta wonder what is beneath this top layers of rocks....and,gads,you have super vision to 'see' these !!!!! What a great spot to keep working...

Charmin · May 6, 2011

Fla-Gal said:
The first point is really beautiful material-realize this might be rather "Nutty", but is it feasible to remove at least a 3X3 top layer of the stones ? Just gotta wonder what is beneath this top layers of rocks....and,gads,you have super vision to 'see' these !!!!! What a great spot to keep working...

Not so "Nutty" , Fla-Gal----Funny thing is I thought of removing the top layer on certain sections of the gravel bar, too, but I don't think I've got enough gumption to do very much :tongue3:

. Snakes are getting really bad right now, too, and I don't want to flip a big cottonmouth out from under a rock. I just usually pray for a good rain to 'turn the gravel bar over'. It always helps to know what colors of flint/chert to look for and I try to look for shapes. There are certain places I comb over really good---like in the little pea gravel that piles up on the bottom side of big rocks---flint it so light that it gathers there. And I always look between the big rocks, because I've found arrowheads wedged in between like that.
Thanks Fla-Gal :hello:

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