Hi there. Boy, did you miss some good stuff off of my keyboard. Some remains, here and there, The Nobody Ghost, in snippets of quoted posts ...
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... Comments welcome for what people see ...
...Curious as to why you think it deserving of further attention, what you see in it....
Here is a general overview. The green numbers are mileage between points. The canyon with the hoyo and face is Bear Creek Canyon, just west of Morrison. You CANNOT miss the hoyo from the road, certainly not with me letting you know where it is. The face you can only see coming back down the canyon towards Denver:
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The hole in the side of the cliff is on a ridge (part of the Hogback) called Mt. Glennon that goes from hwy 285 at Turkey Creek Canyon, north to the entrance of Bear Creek Canyon. There are a couple short mines on the south side as well:
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The two green arrows on the left indicate approximate locations of the two mines/caves. About 30 years ago, when I was around 12, I was in both of those mines. A friend and I accessed them from climbing up form below the hole in the cliff side. It was dangerous, and some neighbor kids tried to go there the next weekend and they didn't even make it half way up and had to be rescued by the fire department - the Bancroft Fire Dept., ironically. They have since done some work for road purposes right below the hole, so the only access now is from the north side, then along the backside of the ridge and then down to the two mines. We called one of them the Bird Cave, because of all the droppings on the floor (probably more like Bat Cave). Obviously, at 12, I wasn't looking for any 'signs' up there. There is not a lot of room for 'walking error' accessing the two mines/caves, and if ya fall, you should expect to die or end up crippled.
I don't know if that hole is related to any of this, but it is right there, relatively, and I have never come up with a good explanation for the trail that leads right to it from the top, from which one would have to rope up to access that hole. The trail is indicated by the green lines and the red line in the upper left corner is the one that passes through the hoyo and face:
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In 1912, Denver created Denver Mountain Parks. They bought different parcels of land in the Front Range, for recreational type purposes. A big portion of Hick's Mtn is owned by DMP, and they have it as an undeveloped wilderness/conservation area. Where that face is looking (I will hike up to the face within a week to verify where he is 'looking' and am estimating now) is Genesee Mtn, owned by Denver Mountain Parks. It is where the buffalo are, just outside of Denver on I-70. Genesee is DMP's oldest and largest park. That buffalo herd was put there in 1914 from stock that came from Yellowstone, and has been there ever since. Bergen Peak is split between State Wildlife area, DMP, and Jefferson County Open Space (recreation and trail system on the east side of Bergen Peak).
I'll start with that. In the next week, I will climb Mt. Glennon to look up Bear Creek Canyon to see if I can spot the hoyo and climb to the top of the face to take a closer look at things. Obviously, I have some names to research, as well as pinpointing the exact locations of the Bancroft and Witter Ranches.
I'm stuck in the area for another few months taking care of some things, so I plan on following up on all of this a bit. I will post anything thing I find or thoughts I have about it all. At this point, I am obviously not ruling out a connection between all of this, but maybe the face and hoyo are separate form the treasure tale I posted. Who knows at this point.
Feel free to chime in with ANY opinions (I like differing opinions on issues) on things to look for and areas to check out ...
I'm certainly a knucklehead with no shortage of theories, lol. To begin with, in case it is not obvious, I am a Conspiracy Theorist on a grand scale. And while Grand Scale Conspiracies are unpalatable to most, even those that accept much smaller scale ones (like the THer publicly accepted KGC conspiracy), to me it is one of the only ways for any of these 'known' conspiracies to be able to take root and gain momentum, either towards triumph or failure. My Big Picture, at this point, involves what is essentially an oligarchical structure, based largely out of Europe (at least outwardly), that is multi-multi-generational. Much of the conflicts/wars we know about are largely infighting, or a new faction trying to seize power, between the factions and the swatting down of any upstarts that crop up in second/third world countries. Including the Civil War. I believe the KGC to be involved in that higher, oligarchical level fight.
Aside from control over the sheeple, one of the things I think at the heart of that Grand Conspiracy is INFORMATION. Information of both a spiritual and historical nature. If I ever here of an Archaeologists Convention taking place, I am going to get a booth. The only display I will have is a large display of these images (obviously the gold is photoshopped for highlight purposes):
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And I will invite every PhD archy I can find there to tell me who did that work and how. And evey one that responds with, "It was this guy's great, great, great, great, ..., great grandaddy and he did it with rocks, ropes, and copper chisels"... :
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... will get laughed at, directly in their face, by myself, accompanied with the suggestion that they go ask for a refund for the money they spent for their sheepskin and to give each one of the other PhD's that approved their doctoral thesis a good slap upside the noggin', for they are all a bunch 'o pompous fools that don't know what the hell they are talking about.
We are a species with amnesia. Well, the vast, vast majority of us. That is part of the Grand Conspiracy I see. There are people out there that have a little better idea about who built that stuff, how they did it, and when they did it. I believe that information to be intentionally kept from us Profane. Any evidence relating to that over here would have been of great interest to the Secret Society members, like the Conquistadors, Jesuits, Franciscans, et al.
Or evidence of other Europeans, in the not too distant past. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with Templar/1300's stuff, plus Vikings were in Canada long before Columbus, too. Columbus was Secret Society stuff. He never meant to sail around the globe to India. He meant to sail to a Secret, at the time to most, continent. Look at his sail. He was Knights of Christ, a purported, by some, Templar offshoot.
So, there is that kind of 'Information' to be wrapped up in this stuff. Further, you have Ophir stuff. Again, subscriber or not, I am sure you are aware of those theories and Phoenicians being over here. Myself, well I suspect the legitimacy of the Historical Chronology, as we know it. It was extended, with much fabricated by the Jesuits in the 17th Century (this can lead down an offshoot of why precisely Jesuits were mining over here). The fall of Rome wasn't almost 2,000 years ago, maybe more like 1,000 years ago, or even less. That's a ballgame changer for a lot of this treasure stuff.
As far as the 'spiritual' end of things, there sure do seem to be a lot of Grail searches coming out of Germany. I mentioned in a post to Shortstack that I question much of what the Bible portrays (you are all free to make whatever determinations about the Bible you wish, and it is not my business, nor anything that bothers or offends me - my mother is a devout Catholic, so I do not attack Christians for their Faith - please don't consider my take of the Bible to be that). Then you have all of the Lapis Exillis legends, and others. Those can start bringing you back to the founding of this Country and those involved, and maybe some ulterior motives from some of them. I, for one, find Benjamin Franklin to be a highly shady character.
Much of this oligarchical structure likes to point roots towards Egypt. It has certainly been a fascination of England. While German concerns have seemed to place more focus on the ancient Babylonian area, extending west into places like Tibet. I say 'likes to point', meaning that could be an outwardly disinformation pointing, for as obvious as it is ...
I also place emphasis on geomancy/ley line sort of stuff, too, being wrapped up in some of this stuff.
Of course, it is undeniable that these folks also have an obsession with gold, so that is where old, large caches can come into play.
I can expand, but didn't want to drown you in words and was trying for the briefest of overviews.
Anyone mind posting ANY information that links the word "hoyo" with a hole through a rock?
Anyone?
I didn't think so.
once upon a time I posted picture of a rock I called the ugly horse, it had a hole in it. I've seen a lot of them actually.
Stuff for whoever might be interested:
The Truth Behind the Ark | National Geographic Channel
now how many of your spanish experts would sware up and down that symbol of a cross on a circle was spanish?
nope.....
Seagoing Ships and Seamanship in the Bronze Age Levant - Shelley Wachsmann - Google Books
I've seen some real good examples from new mexico, maybe if we're lucky they will post some.
I might even post some of the ones I have pictures of>after I blur them up and scribble lines all over them
So, I'm a wordy beestard. As a quick synopsis, we have a KGC unit, the Reynolds Gang, coming up the southwestern flank of Mt Evans in the 1860's. And there is a treasure tale on Hick's Mountain on the eastern flank, owned by Denver Mountain parks (DMP), in the 1890's with Mr. Turtlehead and Hello, Hoyo about 9-10 miles downstream in Bear Creek Canyon and the hole in the cliff side on Mt Glennon, just outside the mouth of Bear Creek Canyon. Hick's Mtn has had, what should be deemed as unconfirmed but likely reports at this point, mica mining being done by Coors Brewery and logging (a lot of trees were cut down in the past on this Mtn) and hunting camp.
All seemingly tied to 'New York Concerns' via institutions in the Denver City/County government and entities like Gates, who was a gold mine superintendent (management side of things, not labor) before he one day in 1911 switched gears and bought a company for $3500, which exploded in growth in short order. This is coming up the eastern flank of Mt. Evans and includes the usual garble of changed names and locations between old newspapers to treasure book, written by a guy, Carson, who I think published some of KvM's books and was based out of Boulder, CO, for a period of time (70's?) with a treasure hunting business. I have not confirmed the parts about Carson, though the Hick's tale, with wrong names, is in his book.
And with the question to be always asked regarding tracking these sorts 'o fellas - Is this particular trail one that they are blazing and laying out, or tracking and following?
Mt Evans was named that by the Colorado Legislature in 1895, after the second Territorial Governor (1862-65) John Evans, who was a close friend of Chivington and pretty much lost that job after the Sand Creek Massacre. Colorado was the first state to officially recognize Columbus Day, and ToVoS has Italian ties. Mt Evans is a big chunk of earth and is 14,265' in elevation. I don't know what the mountains look like in your backyard, but being on those different flanks and drainage does not equate to them being just right over the hill from one another. They are separated by miles of rugged terrain that is driven around.
As a part of those Eastern Concerns, I have mentioned Wild Bill Cody. Buffalo Bill Cody the performer, who toured with Annie Oakley, Sitting Bull, et al. There is much more to him than just the surface side-show performance he toured Great Britain and other parts of Europe with. Here is a pic of his funeral procession in Denver, Jan 10, 1917:
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Cody died of kidney failure on January 10, 1917, surrounded by family and friends at his sister's house in Denver. Cody was baptized into the Catholic Church the day before his death by Father Christopher Walsh of the Denver Cathedral. He received a full masonic funeral. Upon the news of Cody's death, tributes were made by George V, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and President Woodrow Wilson. His funeral was in Denver at the Elks Lodge Hall. The Wyoming governor John B. Kendrick, a friend of Cody's, led the funeral procession.
Cody was a Mason:
Cody was active in the concordant bodies of Freemasonry, fraternal organization, being initiated in Platte Valley Lodge No. 32, North Platte, Nebraska, on March 5, 1870. He received his 2nd and 3rd degrees on April 2, 1870, and January 10, 1871, respectively. He became a Knight Templar in 1889 and received his 32nd degree in Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in 1894.
Big surprise. He also met with pretty much every Royal Inbred and the Pope on his European tours, with England and Germany being of focus.
Here are some pics of his grave, on Lookout Mtn, another DMP site, this one developed and highly visited. The close up shows a couple interesting things ... :
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Cody was born in Iowa, but spent time growing up in Ontario, Canada, where his dad was from. Canada having both the face of the German lady calling herself the Queen of England on their money, as well as Jesuit/Vatican/French Secret Society ties. Searching out what land in Colorado owned by English/Canadian concerns could produce interesting results. I believe I recall hearing at one time, years ago, that England owned more land in Colorado than any other foreign country ...
Some of the Native Americans who toured with the show, had ties to the Ghost Dance movement that came from a Paiute named Jack Wilson, aka Wovoka. 'Ol Jack came from Mason Valley, NV, and started the Ghost Dance movement after falling into a fever for 3 days during a solar eclipse [this is obviously very symbolic of an initiation ritual ...], during which time he met with God, etc., and was supposedly trying to initiate, pun not intended, a peaceful movement.
That last paragraph is an interesting one to consider the ramifications thereof, and potential ramifications for the analysis of times past; namely, for how many centuries have Secret Societies been initiating 'select natives', in order to steer them towards working towards the goals of the Secret Society? Back to Popé in 1680 ?...? Way prior?
Or even just wiping out populations with disease? The Black Death was active in Europe the same time Native Americans were disappearing from the southwest, and Templars were supposedly coming up the Rio Grande into that southwest. And the Aztecs build Tenochtitlan and start practicing human sacrifice. Just more crap that makes me go, Hmmm ...
And, as I have hinted at, Rockefeller/New York/England has ties to the LUE. And there is more to much of this Treasure Stuff than meets the eye ...
Right or wrong, some people believe there is buried gold to find, some of it from the KGC. Lots 'o talk in the public domain about the KGC, including Disneyland and Hollywood teaming up to implant it in said domain. Yet there ain't any talk about the fellas I'm followin' up Bear Creek Canyon. Things that make ya go, Hmmm ...
Sumpin' fishy goin' on 'round these parts ...
Now, I have some TNet communicating to get caught up on, as well as this thread, just wanted to tie some of all of these things together that may seem quite random to some that may have not known what I the hell I have been blathering on about ...
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probably just hippies hallucinating on mushrooms...... man...................
Early Spanish artifacts in the Big Horn Mountains | Blog | Old Santa Fe Trading Co
Spanish?
probably not.
There seem to be some not so indirect ties to LE in the FDR administration, as well. A Russian/American 'mystic' named Nicholas Rourke was invovled, and at one point was an ambassador to Mongolia/Tibet, somewhere around there, ostensibly looking for a hardy grass to grow in Oklahoma (Dust Bowl related, I think), but on some search relating to the LE.
That's an interesting tidbit you posted. The very upper headwaters of the Arkansas are around Leadville, and Frémont Pass. Frémont, the explorer who might be wrapped up in some fo this, and Leadville, once slated to be the capital of Colorado, purported hang out of Jesse James for no small period of time (Half Moon Gulch Area), and not that far, as the crow flies, from the escapades of the Reynolds Gang, who also spent time in NM and around the Spanish Peaks (LUE area).
I spent the better part of a decade working on the Arkansas below Buena Vista, through Brown's Canyon, and a couple other rivers, as a whitewater raft guide, and much of my youth in the area between Buena Vista and Salida. That area being not too many miles from the head of the San Luis Valley, over Poncha Pass. One of my favorite spots in Colorado, for sure, with few better spots to pitch a tent and set up camp for the night.
That Emerald rock thing has ties to all kinds of things. Thanks for sharing that info.
The Arkansas River could be important in determining if your trail is an ancient trail that was used later by more modern groups. It could be that de la Harpe was looking for an ancient trail as well as a green stone.
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There seem to be some not so indirect ties to LE in the FDR administration, as well. A Russian/American 'mystic' named Nicholas Rourke was invovled, and at one point was an ambassador to Mongolia/Tibet, somewhere around there, ostensibly looking for a hardy grass to grow in Oklahoma (Dust Bowl related, I think), but on some search relating to the LE.
That's an interesting tidbit you posted. The very upper headwaters of the Arkansas are around Leadville, and Frémont Pass. Frémont, the explorer who might be wrapped up in some fo this, and Leadville, once slated to be the capital of Colorado, purported hang out of Jesse James for no small period of time (Half Moon Gulch Area), and not that far, as the crow flies, from the escapades of the Reynolds Gang, who also spent time in NM and around the Spanish Peaks (LUE area).
I spent the better part of a decade working on the Arkansas below Buena Vista, through Brown's Canyon, and a couple other rivers, as a whitewater raft guide, and much of my youth in the area between Buena Vista and Salida. That area being not too many miles from the head of the San Luis Valley, over Poncha Pass. One of my favorite spots in Colorado, for sure, with few better spots to pitch a tent and set up camp for the night.
That Emerald rock thing has ties to all kinds of things. Thanks for sharing that info.