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IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Hello All,


I've been working with Rodeo Recon to find the earliest house on a quarter section of land we've gotten permission to hunt. The oldest house on the property is not on any map of the area, and there is no record of it (and might be no signs of it either!). The land was settled in 1813 "officially"--and the first cabin was built the same time by a family of German Immigrants.

Keep in mind that a quarter section is 160 Acres :o


So, we got out in a corn field today looking for that First House. ;D As we walked into an iron patch, the first thing I dug was an 1899 Barber Dime. That glint of silver sure is sweet. :) Here the little Beauty is:

Counterstamp GW.webp

Silver!.webp

1899 Barber Obv..webp

We tightened up our search patterns in the quest for the old cabin. Pewter spoon handles came up (always a good sign), and a few buttons--including a nice tombac.

Here are a few "action shots" of us out on that field--as promised. :)

1899 Barber.webp

Buckles.webp

I walked over to where Rodeo was digging and he had just said "This sounds GOOD!"

He broke open the clod of dirt to reveal a BIG coin! I couldn't even see what it was. He was running across the field away from me with it clutched to his chest! :D

When he finally slowed down, I could see that it was a BIG silver--but one I didn't recognize:

Rodeo.webp

I couldn't read much of the legends on the coin, but it was turned into a necklace or keepsake at one time. I noticed that it was roughly the same size as a Two Reales--and the same thickness... I could see the word "Herzog" on the coin--and I knew it was German--but how old? My guess in the field was that it was Early 1800's--certainly pre-1840, but perhaps as old as the turn of that century. (I could barely make out the first two digits of the date.)

When we got the coin home and cleaned it gently with a camel's hair brush and running water, we could see this legend: ERNST HERZOG Z.S. COBURG UND GOTHA and on the reverse "NACH DEM CONVENTIONS FUS" And the denomination (faint, but there)--20 Kreutzer. Bavarian coin. ;D

German Silver.webp

GS Cleaned.webp

So the legend "ERNST HERZOG" says that the ruler was Ernst , and "Z(u) S(achsen-)COBURG UND GOTHA was duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The reverse "Nach dem conventions fus(se)" means "After the conventional standard." This refers to the coin's purity, etc...

But the date? :icon_scratch: I could only read "1 8 ? 7"

Well...Ernst I ruled from 1826-1844, which rules out everything but 1827 and '37. I'm 90% certain this is an 1827 coin, due to the design change in the 1830s.

Here's a close-up of the engraving/initials someone engraved on the coin:

GS Cleaned Reverse.webp


I can't help but think how Immigrants carried this coin from their homeland across the ocean on a boat, made it into a necklace to keep as a reminder of home, and lost it near their cabin. It is a heartbreaking story--especially when one considers the value of a nice piece of silver like this.

At least this keepsake will be treasured, preserved, admired once again.

:)


Here are a few photos of all our finds today. The balled-up piece of twisted brass in the first photo was actually a suspender clip, which I straightened with boiling water and a little gentle bending. (Tip of the week: Save EVERY piece you find in an area that was plowed until you get home and investigate it! I found what I think is a heart-shaped martingale yesterday and it looked like junk brass until I got it cleaned back home. :o)

Counterstamp GW.webp

Finds Uncleaned.webp


Best Wishes to All of You from the IRON Brigade.
 

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Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Buck,

Congrats to you and Rodeo Recon. Do you think the 20 Kreuzer was lost in the early 1900s? I don't like the thought of it being a necklace, because it could have been lost around the same time the Barber dime was. I hope it was a period drop, though!

Kirk
 
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Colonial KirkPA said:
Buck,

Congrats to you and Rodeo Recon.  Do you think the 20 Kreuzer was lost in the early 1900s?  I don't like the thought of it being a necklace, because it could have been lost around the same time the Barber dime was.  I hope it was a period drop, though!

Kirk

Pewter spoon handles don't date from 1900.  Nor do tombac buttons.

This is a pre-CW house--and the coin could've been dropped c.1860.  In fact (judging from the wear), it likely was dropped several decades after its minting.  I don't in Any way think that we found the oldest homesite on the property yet...but we will.  :)
 
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BuckleBoy said:
Colonial KirkPA said:
Buck,

Congrats to you and Rodeo Recon. Do you think the 20 Kreuzer was lost in the early 1900s? I don't like the thought of it being a necklace, because it could have been lost around the same time the Barber dime was. I hope it was a period drop, though!

Kirk

Pewter spoon handles don't date from 1900. Nor do tombac buttons.

This is a pre-CW house--and the coin could've been dropped c.1860. In fact (judging from the wear), it likely was dropped several decades after its minting. I don't in Any way think that we found the oldest homesite on the property yet...but we will. :)

You could be right about it being dropped around c.1860, but is hard to say because of the 1899 dime.

I hope you guys find the oldest homesite on the property.

Kirk
 
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dog gone you guys find all the good stuff :thumbsup:
 
Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Great finds you sure know how to find some good sites. HH!
 
Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Forget the silver and check out my rooster. Nice finds Will, we going tomorrow?
 
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Yes sir, I'd like to sign up for a relic hunting class, I'm available Sunday(s), been coinshooting(old coins) for 25 plus years, live in Dayton OH and can travel(to Kentucky anyways). ;D I got to do a little relic hunting/coinshooting in a bean field last Sunday thanks to "WeaponsUSMC" ,that was a ghost town. A depot and a few homes that were gone by 1900. I enjoyed it capitally. I could barely lug all the iron back. Did manage an 1872 and 1865 IH though. I can see myself seeking permission on fields now.
As always, nice finds and great stories. Keep on diggin' :thumbsup:
 
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Just looking at the size of that field and thinking about finding a homesite somewhere in the middle of it makes my head spin. You guys sure have the knack for it though. Get back there and find the "OLD" site. :wink: :o

Congrats to Rodeo Recon on the big silver. Thats one great find. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rob
 
Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

The dime is awesome and the big silver is very unique. That area must have seen a lot of activity based on all the buttons you found.
 
Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

That is some hard core research and digs. Great success to boot! WTG... :thumbsup: jgas
 
Re: Iron Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Buckleboy, Great finds and a great story. Enjoyed the pictures....Good luck on finding the oldest homesite and again congratulations :thumbsup:
 
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daytondigger said:
Yes sir, I'd like to sign up for a relic hunting class, I'm available Sunday(s), been coinshooting(old coins) for 25 plus years, live in Dayton OH and can travel(to Kentucky anyways). ;D I got to do a little relic hunting/coinshooting in a bean field last Sunday thanks to "WeaponsUSMC" ,that was a ghost town. A depot and a few homes that were gone by 1900. I enjoyed it capitally. I could barely lug all the iron back. Did manage an 1872 and 1865 IH though. I can see myself seeking permission on fields now.
As always, nice finds and great stories. Keep on diggin' :thumbsup:

I would say "OK. You can sign up for it--pay for my gas to drive to Dayton--and we'll hunt spots up your direction... :wink:" (Heck, I'd even do the research and FIND sites up your way...) ...But I don't think I can tear myself away from the goodies here.


I will tell ya this. IF you get a coin signal on one of these hunts, you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be something to get excited over! And all of the other items--personal ones--as well as things you would never dream of finding. That's what makes this type of hunting special for me.

I don't dig many coins per year...right now at twenty-something coins for the clad ones and thirty-some for the old ones... But the old ones are Spanish Silvers, Large Cents, 2 centers, Seateds, you name it.

Bean fields are like Candy this time of year. Cornfields can be tricky--and they require good control of your sweep and concentration to follow the geography of the terrain with the coil.


If you ever need some pointers, drop me a line.


-Buckles
 
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Way to go . Those are two awesome coins... Great story also. :thumbsup:
Dman
 
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Evolution said:
Just looking at the size of that field and thinking about finding a homesite somewhere in the middle of it makes my head spin. You guys sure have the knack for it though. Get back there and find the "OLD" site. :wink: :o

Congrats to Rodeo Recon on the big silver. Thats one great find. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Rob

Rob,

At least it's not FLAT. (There's a lot of truth in that statement!) If I had the choice of finding one home site on 180 acres of perfectly flat terrain, or finding one on 320 acres of varied geography--I'd take the 320 acres Every Time. Geography rules out where spots weren't. It also makes some spots more likely than others. Topo maps are essential. Intuition, Intelligence, and multiple machines doing the finding are a close second.


-Buckles
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

WAY TO GO IRON BRIGADE!!! Awesome finds Buck - that's one of the prettiest dimes I've seen in a long while and that big silver is just as spectacular. Imagine the personal history behind that (being worn as a medallion)!
I might have to get out to Kentucky some day... ;D

Throw a big congrats to the whole Brigade for me bud...
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Awesome finds dudes! :thumbsup: It will be interesting to see what comes up next in that field.
 
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diggergrl said:
Awesome finds dudes! :thumbsup: It will be interesting to see what comes up next in that field.


DG,


We missed you out there today. :'(
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Nice finds. Your pics are awesome....they make me feel like I'm there :thumbsup:
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

SUPER NICE FINDS BUCK!!!!! It's hard for me to say which one that I like better because they are both so beautiful: CONGRATS :icon_jokercolor: :icon_king: :icon_king: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: my good friend on two NICE finds!!!
 

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