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IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Hello All,


I've been working with Rodeo Recon to find the earliest house on a quarter section of land we've gotten permission to hunt. The oldest house on the property is not on any map of the area, and there is no record of it (and might be no signs of it either!). The land was settled in 1813 "officially"--and the first cabin was built the same time by a family of German Immigrants.

Keep in mind that a quarter section is 160 Acres :o


So, we got out in a corn field today looking for that First House. ;D As we walked into an iron patch, the first thing I dug was an 1899 Barber Dime. That glint of silver sure is sweet. :) Here the little Beauty is:

Counterstamp GW.webp

Silver!.webp

1899 Barber Obv..webp

We tightened up our search patterns in the quest for the old cabin. Pewter spoon handles came up (always a good sign), and a few buttons--including a nice tombac.

Here are a few "action shots" of us out on that field--as promised. :)

1899 Barber.webp

Buckles.webp

I walked over to where Rodeo was digging and he had just said "This sounds GOOD!"

He broke open the clod of dirt to reveal a BIG coin! I couldn't even see what it was. He was running across the field away from me with it clutched to his chest! :D

When he finally slowed down, I could see that it was a BIG silver--but one I didn't recognize:

Rodeo.webp

I couldn't read much of the legends on the coin, but it was turned into a necklace or keepsake at one time. I noticed that it was roughly the same size as a Two Reales--and the same thickness... I could see the word "Herzog" on the coin--and I knew it was German--but how old? My guess in the field was that it was Early 1800's--certainly pre-1840, but perhaps as old as the turn of that century. (I could barely make out the first two digits of the date.)

When we got the coin home and cleaned it gently with a camel's hair brush and running water, we could see this legend: ERNST HERZOG Z.S. COBURG UND GOTHA and on the reverse "NACH DEM CONVENTIONS FUS" And the denomination (faint, but there)--20 Kreutzer. Bavarian coin. ;D

German Silver.webp

GS Cleaned.webp

So the legend "ERNST HERZOG" says that the ruler was Ernst , and "Z(u) S(achsen-)COBURG UND GOTHA was duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The reverse "Nach dem conventions fus(se)" means "After the conventional standard." This refers to the coin's purity, etc...

But the date? :icon_scratch: I could only read "1 8 ? 7"

Well...Ernst I ruled from 1826-1844, which rules out everything but 1827 and '37. I'm 90% certain this is an 1827 coin, due to the design change in the 1830s.

Here's a close-up of the engraving/initials someone engraved on the coin:

GS Cleaned Reverse.webp


I can't help but think how Immigrants carried this coin from their homeland across the ocean on a boat, made it into a necklace to keep as a reminder of home, and lost it near their cabin. It is a heartbreaking story--especially when one considers the value of a nice piece of silver like this.

At least this keepsake will be treasured, preserved, admired once again.

:)


Here are a few photos of all our finds today. The balled-up piece of twisted brass in the first photo was actually a suspender clip, which I straightened with boiling water and a little gentle bending. (Tip of the week: Save EVERY piece you find in an area that was plowed until you get home and investigate it! I found what I think is a heart-shaped martingale yesterday and it looked like junk brass until I got it cleaned back home. :o)

Counterstamp GW.webp

Finds Uncleaned.webp


Best Wishes to All of You from the IRON Brigade.
 

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Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Always a rush seeing silver come out.

The corn stalks can be a pain huh, but you gotta do what you gotta do. :thumbsup:
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Cool beans dude, that's some righteous finds. I love the Barber. :thumbsup:
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Thats one fine barber. Nice story too
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Seeing the big silver come out of the ground I am sure was a heart pumping moment and then seeing it was not what expected probably brought a different type of moment! ;) Good finds and hope to see some more goodies from there and some more relics to match the age of the Tombac button.

Don
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Nice finds you guy's.
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

That is one fine lookin' dime! You guys are always pulling out those old coins and superb relics. Great pics and post as always.
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Those are some really sweet finds!
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Great finds BB, the coin is dated 1827 or 1828, congrats! HH, Mike
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Don in SJ said:
Seeing the big silver come out of the ground I am sure was a heart pumping moment and then seeing it was not what expected probably brought a different type of moment! ;) Good finds and hope to see some more goodies from there and some more relics to match the age of the Tombac button.

Don


Yeah, there was an initial RUSH of excitement, followed by a "What the heck is this thing?" And not wanting to field clean, we were REALLY wondering. My first thought was "religious medallion" due to the broken loop at the top... But we dumped some water over it, and came to a decent evaluation of what it was right there.


Hopefully we'll get out again either Monday or Tuesday--but we have to wait on finding the 1813 house on this property. There are some wooded areas that are quite inaccessible still, so we may wait 'till winter. There is a house site in those woods, because there is a well there--and it isn't on any of my maps either. :thumbsup:


-BB
 
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Bavaria Mike said:
Great finds BB, the coin is dated 1827 or 1828, congrats! HH, Mike

Mike, Thank you very much for confirming what I had suspected. I had seen an 1838 20 Kreutzer with Ernst's portrait on it, and I felt that the design on this one we recovered was earlier. I can see the last digit in the date, and it is a "7." So we will call this one--for Certain--an 1828.


Best Wishes,


BuckleBoy
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Congrats to both of you guys on some super finds.
That German coin is quite a find. :thumbsup: Thanks for the great info on it's background.
Beautiful pictures BB.
Thanks for the post,
Doug
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

I love the first photo, great! Your mind is thinking, what is it, what condition, how in the helx did I find it!
Great, keep searching!
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Very successful hunt indeed. That dime is in great shape. Rodeo Recon sure pulled out a marvel didn't he? A 20 Kreuzer is about as rare in the states as you can get. SWEET EXOTIC SILVER. And it being made into a necklass gives it a unique personal touch that makes you stop and think even more about the German immigrant who owned it. I should know because last year I found a silver VI Kreuzer with a 1808 or 1806 date. When Kirk informed me of his research on the site before we hit it he said that in the late 1700's and early 1800's a German immigrant settled on the land. Cherish that find for they don't come easy. :thumbsup:
Chris
 
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Colonial Silver Zeus said:
Very successful hunt indeed. That dime is in great shape. Rodeo Recon sure pulled out a marvel didn't he? A 20 Kreuzer is about as rare in the states as you can get. SWEET  EXOTIC  SILVER. And it being made into a necklass gives it a unique personal touch that makes you stop and think even more about the German immigrant who owned it. I should know because last year I found a silver VI Kreuzer with a 1808 or 1806 date. When Kirk informed me of his research on the site before we hit it he said that in the late 1700's and early 1800's a German immigrant settled on the land. Cherish that find for they don't come easy. :thumbsup:
Chris


Thank you for your kind words, Chris.  Sweet Exotic Silver is absolutely correct. 

It is great to find such a wonderful connection to the people and the site, regardless of how old or when it was lost.


Best wishes on your future hunts.  Take a camera along and snap some great photos of everyone hunting with Fever.  I'd love to see 'em, and I know from seeing your photos that you're skilled with a camera.  :)


I always try to take nondescript site photos.  Anywhere USA field photos, or pasture photos--to bring Tnet along with us on our adventures.



Best Wishes,



Buckleboy
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Great finds and super pictures. WTG!
 
Re: IRON Brigade--BIG 1820's Silver Today!

Cool finds, especially the beauty of a Barber!
 

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