Is map dowsing a hoax?

[Treasure finder]

Hi ClonedSIM
Yes I do map dowsing, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. I will take a look at your map, but mostly I stick to my own dowsing
projects. Seems like there are always a bunch of people trying to figure out, disprove or whatever dowsing and there is lots of time
spent discussing arguing etc. I enjoy talking and comparing notes with other dowsers, but I would rather not spend much time trying
to explain to non-dowsers how it works. I spend enough time at my mortgage business helping people and I need some time alone
to do my dowsing with some alone time.
As far as doctors and unproven pills, there is much research done on drugs, just read the warnings and side effects that have been
discovered and prominently displayed on their ads. Then you have to test them personally on yourself to see which side effects you
have! That can make me a little nervous. That is all I meant!
Hope you have some treasure on your property! If I was close enough to map dowse then field dowse I would take a look.
Rich

 

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[ClonedSIM]

Hi ClonedSIM
Yes I do map dowsing, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. I will take a look at your map, but mostly I stick to my own dowsing
projects. Seems like there are always a bunch of people trying to figure out, disprove or whatever dowsing and there is lots of time
spent discussing arguing etc. I enjoy talking and comparing notes with other dowsers, but I would rather not spend much time trying
to explain to non-dowsers how it works. I spend enough time at my mortgage business helping people and I need some time alone
to do my dowsing with some alone time.
As far as doctors and unproven pills, there is much research done on drugs, just read the warnings and side effects that have been
discovered and prominently displayed on their ads. Then you have to test them personally on yourself to see which side effects you
have! That can make me a little nervous. That is all I meant!
Hope you have some treasure on your property! If I was close enough to map dowse then field dowse I would take a look.
Rich

Thanks for the response, Rich! If you do get a chance to check out the photo I posted, I just want to say that there's no pressure and I'm not trying to test anyone. I'd love to get a sample of what various dowsers have to say on the subject of anything being buried on my land, and then chase after it with my detector and a shovel. And, I'd be thrilled to post pics of any finds here and split them with the one who pointed out the area. If nothing else, it's be good practice, right? Thanks again!

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey Rich.....I used to ask all kinds of question..But when I found to many items the map would get to complicated..So I now start asking about gold and silver..If I get yes answers I try to stick with those topics..That is the type of treasure hunting I know best...Art

I'm curious, Art, who or what are you directing these questions to??

 

[NJHunter]

I really have to know... What reasoning are you using when you made the statement that if you're around a person with a certain opinion, but who has no actual physical control over you, that dowsing will simply stop working?? Do you realize how ludicrious that sounds? A person with a negative attitude might affect those around him by passing along that bad mood, but that's explained by the fact that misery loves company. Someone who is consistently in a bad mood can bring down the moods of those around him, but only because the other people let the first person affect their moods. The moody guy isn't projecting waves of "bad energy" that can physically affect anything at all.

Of course, a simpler explanation (Occam's Razor, anyone?) is that you might just not be a very strong dowser, and you're letting someone's mood affect you. This makes much more sense than your blanket statement that a skeptic will always stop dowsing from working just by being near a dowser. You need to learn to ignore anyone whio doubts you but, that being said, you might be harboring some ngative feelings about your own skills. If you are positive what you do works, then why should anyone else's opinion matter?

What you're really saying is that, since dowsing involves nothing more mysterious that your own skill, you let yourself get psyched out by anyone who doesn't believe in your hobby. Which is basically akin to saying that a baseball player can't be able to hit a pitch because someone rooting for the other team wants him to fail, and that in turn affects his ability to swing a bat. That's a pretty darn lame excuse for failure...

I was thinking about that too. I could understand the negativity affecting the dowser if the skeptic was with them or made it known to them but I don't see how it can affect them when the person who posted the map is hundreds of miles away.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I was thinking about that too. I could understand the negativity affecting the dowser if the skeptic was with them or made it known to them but I don't see how it can affect them when the person who posted the map is hundreds of miles away.

Right. I can't see why dowsing would be the only activity this were true with. If this was an actual event, a skeptic preventing dowsing from working just by not believing in dowsing, we'd have at least anecdotal evidence from other situations where a person who didn't believe in this, that or the other prevented that thing from working.

I'm going to try this on the way home at every stop light. If it's red, I'm going to believe it's not red and just drive on through. According to the thoughts of some of the people on the panel, all the other cars should stop for me.

 

[ClonedSIM]

And I still question whether this whole thing here is a skeptic hoax to discredit dowsing and locators. EVERYTHING I am seeing is exactly how the skeptics operate.

Paranoia will destroy ya.... What exactly are you talking about, signal_line? What "skeptic hoax" do you believe is out to get you? Because I can assure you that beyond posting here, most of us have better things to do than to try and plan some elaborate hoax with the purpose of "getting you."

Firstly, you like to clump everyone that doesn't agree with you into a scary beast called SKEPTICS!!! Have you ever looked up the definition of the word before? It might do you some good.

Secondly, it's folks like you that give dowsers a bad reputation in the first place. Go back and read your posts again, and you can feel the paranoia seeping out of every word.

Thirdly, instead of a lively conversation, you just assume that you're the only person that knows "the truth," and that everyone else is just out to steal it from you. The conversation just deteriorates from there.

And look what you wrote above! "Don't dare question anyone because that is disrespectful." Do you really think this is the way the world works We should all just believe you because you're so intelligent it's pointless to disagree with you?

"Question Everything." -Euripides

 

[fenixdigger]

Wow!!1 There must be an echo in here, in here, in here. Cloned, heard all that before , it didn't work then, won't work now. Don't care who believes me. The people that I work with know the deal. The Carl bait is real stale as is the RANDI lure. Ask someone that has been in the field with me. Pretty simple. Point here is not me or what I say, it's about the validity of dowsing. I and many others have time and time again verified the results. Sorry you weren't there.
Your lack of human understanding is a little fake. No one can be that naive. Sort of makes me question your motives. People will KILL you over gold. Always been that way. People will say or do anything (pretend to be a critic, offer a reward) to find the real deal that makes gold EASY to find. Any of this sound familiar? This would be a good time for the "stage two" ploy. Too bad we are all expecting it.

Let me add this. The specifics have been posted time and time again. I am not a map dowser. I am the other side of the coin. I find the location that was dowsed. I do use rods and a LOT of detectors to do this. I will find the location even if the dowser missed it because of one of the variables that can cause a "miss". That is the real trick, getting past the mis-fires.

 

[NJHunter]

I'm a little confused here.just about everyone on he repost pics of their finds so why can't dowsers?

 

[fenixdigger]

Let me relay a true life story here. I have a friend that is a VERY good dowser. At one point he was so hounded that he lost a wife over it, changed his name, and moved. No matter what your ethics are do not assume that everyone is up front, honest, and considerate. I will and have posted photos of rings, watches, and chains that I have found dowsing. Beyond that, nada. I have no need to show off. It almost an unwritten rule among most of the people I deal with. I am aware of only one that is willing to do otherwise. When I work with him, I am a ghost. I am aware of at least a dozen major finds other people have made and NEVER seen one word about it. It is an I.Q. test. We keep having this discussion, and really, think about it. It's not going to change, unless an idiot finds something.

 

[Treasure finder]

NJ Hunter,
I don't think everone posts their pictures here. There are 54108 members currently and I don't see that many pictures. Most don't want the
notoriety or don't want to share their finds with people trying to claim their finds. A dowser friend of mine found a huge diamond field and
got it stolen from him by a large mining company. Incidentally, it wasn't found with a metal detector, just a fork from a tree. Another dowser
friend of mine used to buy land, dowse up a well and resell for very hefty profits. Incidentally the lake at Elsinore, California is a result of dowsing
by Verne Cameron, a famous dowser half a century ago. Of course that is water dowsing, but think of the value added to a piece of land by
having a water supply.
And yes, I can and have found people, metals and lost objects, but won't share pictures.
Rich

 

[NJHunter]

What I don't understand is why it's only dowsers who don't share their finds. I know not everyone shares what they found but the only group I have not seen represented are the dowsers. That's all I'm saying. I'm don't care if its the most awesome find ever but a cool coin anything.

 

[fenixdigger]

Here's 3 rings and a watch found with a rod, recovered with a dredge. These were exactly where the rod indicated. The other finds were made while waiting for me to pinpoint.

 

[fenixdigger]

Here's a gold chain found "dowsing" in this photo along with finds from the E-Trac and Sovereign.

 

[coyote3]

Right. I can't see why dowsing would be the only activity this were true with. If this was an actual event, a skeptic preventing dowsing from working just by not believing in dowsing, we'd have at least anecdotal evidence from other situations where a person who didn't believe in this, that or the other prevented that thing from working.

I'm going to try this on the way home at every stop light. If it's red, I'm going to believe it's not red and just drive on through. According to the thoughts of some of the people on the panel, all the other cars should stop for me.

Because dowsing is designed to help us as humans to see things and learned things that otherwise we would go through life day to day and never know about. God designed it that way and if at any time it was or is a test of our dowsing capabilities it will not work. I did this study just to see what would happen one day. I told a dowser friend that I hid a silver bar and wanted him to find it for me. He looked at the map and then told me that I was testing his skill as a dowser and by doing so, that more that likely the target would not be where he dowsed it was. He did not dowse where it was hid and instead dowsed where it was put while I was doing some testing several months before. It will not work if you're skills are being tested whether by a person near you or by someone on the moon. I think its kind of a double edged sword. If you believe you will be rewarded and see the rewards from it. If you do not believe then we will not be able to show you the benefits of dowsing.

 

[NJHunter]

That cross is pretty cool the other stuffs nice too.

 

[fenixdigger]

We were in a lake that a church owns. Must baptize there. The other stuff was found over a 4 mo period 3 yrs ago. Most with a Sovereign and an Excalibur.

 

[10claw]

clonedsim, go ahead old buddy and run those red lights. that will cure one skeptikal. will also relieve stupid doubts on this thread also,. goot nite, and hopefully goot bye.
ps, if you don't wanna run red lites, go team up with shallow water, see how deep his mudhole is.

 

[NJHunter]

We were in a lake that a church owns. Must baptize there. The other stuff was found over a 4 mo period 3 yrs ago. Most with a Sovereign and an Excalibur.

Cool, was it hard to get permission?

 

[Treasure finder]

To NJ Hunter and Cloned SIM,
Have either of you or any other skeptics here ever tried dowsing? I would think if you have any thoughts that it is possible to dowse,
you would want to do it too. Otherwise you are trying to disprove it or just rabble rousing. (No harm intended).
To try dowsing, get a couple of bent coat hangers (bent in a letter "L" shape). Hold them loosely in your fists with the ends pointing
forward and walk slowly forward. Have a garden hose laid out with water flowing through it and see if you get a reaction as you walk
over the hose. About 85% of the people I have worked with get a reaction on the rods. You may have to practice a few times until
you get the balance right. Give it a try and see. Anyone that won't at least try that, has no curiosity, they are just stuck on negative.
Let us know what your results are. Also notice I am being very neutral here.
Rich

 

[NJHunter]

I tried once when I was a kid. For some reason dowsing was mentioned in school so when I got home I found a forked stick and tried I don't think anything happened. I'm not trying to disprove anyone.