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[TN_Guest1523]

It is a "book review" and nothing more. That article is simply telling readers what the book is all about, explaining the book's contents, etc. That article has nothing whatsoever to do with establishing the credibility of anything in the book, it's simply saying, "Here is a new book and this is what it is all about."

It is the only item I have, that anyone has that mentions it in some kind of form from the time in a critical way . A book review is solid gold for a document of this kind . If it had said it was a good fictional story would you feel the same way ?
HECK NO you wouldn't it would be the thing that killed the thing as a truthful document would it not ?

I f it did in fact say it was a fictional pamphlet, I would have no leg to stand on and would except it as Fiction with no fight at all . But it does not folks and a book review would be were a book would be harshly criticized .

 

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[ECS]

It is the only item I have, that anyone has that mentions it in some kind of form from the time in a critical way . A book review is solid gold for a document of this kind . If it had said it was a good fictional story would you feel the same way ?
HECK NO you wouldn't it would be the thing that killed the thing as a truthful document would it not ?

I f it did in fact say it was a fictional pamphlet, I would have no leg to stand on and would except it as Fiction with no fight at all . But it does not folks and a book review would be were a book would be harshly criticized .

A prime example of PRETZEL LOGIC.
"The newspaper book review of Beale is a historical document, therefore the Beale Papers are a historical document, therefore the Beale Papers are not fiction, but true"
Better buy a crutch to you stand on.

 

[ECS]

It is a "book review" and nothing more. That article is simply telling readers what the book is all about, explaining the book's contents, etc. That article has nothing whatsoever to do with establishing the credibility of anything in the book, it's simply saying, "Here is a new book and this is what it is all about."

It does bring to mind William Friedman's remark,"designed to lure the unwary reader" on how someone claim this as evidence that the Beale story is true.

 

[bigscoop]

I'm not understanding how a typical book review becomes supporting evidence that the reviewed book is factual and a historical document. All the reviewer is doing is telling his readers what the book entails, period. Nothing more at all. This same thing is being done daily today, the authors of those reviews having never even read the books, just offering the general book descriptions in the same way that the author of this earlier book review has done.

The claim that this review represents evidence to anything else simply isn't objective and unbiased syllabus and programme of pedantic quotidian.

 

[releventchair]

A prime example of PRETZEL LOGIC.
"The newspaper book review of Beale is a historical document, therefore the Beale Papers are a historical document, therefore the Beale Papers are not fiction, but true"
Better buy a crutch to you stand on.

Oooo some Steely Dan in there.
If we as a committee had to make up a library index card for the Beale papers ...deciding how to classify it could get interesting.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Heh...

 

[ECS]

LAST LINE
and the pamphlet is issued with the hope that someone may discover the key and unravel the mystery

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Just an inducement selling point to "try your hand" at the parlor entertainment ciphers.
"The GAME is worth the candle".

 

[bigscoop]

The hardest part for any researcher to maintain is an objective and unbiased effort. At some point most will start to make conclusions even though there are still no hard facts or conclusive pieces of evidence to support those various conclusive opinions. The second most difficult part of this mystery is in finding those new avenues to purse as most have already been picked to the bone.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Just an inducement selling point to "try your hand" at the parlor entertainment ciphers.
"The GAME is worth the candle".

Never seen a crossword puzzle with a book review in the newspaper !

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Lets compare with a book of about that time .
newspaper review here uses the word novel .

 

[bigscoop]

Lets compare with a book of about that time .
newspaper review here uses the word novel .

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I think you're desperate to turn something insignificant into something significant. The article you referenced before is a simple basic book review, nothing more.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

I think you're desperate to turn something insignificant into something significant. The article you referenced before is a simple basic book review, nothing more.

In the say 1885-1890 time period these two reviews show the difference of a book review for a Non-fiction as the Beale Papers and a book review of a fiction book .
Just comparing the two to see the differences .

 

[bigscoop]

In the say 1885-1890 time period these two reviews show the difference of a book review for a Non-fiction as the Beale Papers and a book review of a fiction book .
Just comparing the two to see the differences .

The book review you posted isn't even a very good book review, just more of a brief introduction. The writer of that review didn't even take the time to get the name right. So it's just a very general "page-filler" for public interest. I seriously doubt the writer had even read the book.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

The book review you posted isn't even a very good book review, just more of a brief introduction. The writer of that review didn't even take the time to get the name right. So it's just a very general "page-filler" for public interest. I seriously doubt the writer had even read the book.

Not the first time a name was not spelled right eh ?

 

[bigscoop]

Bottom line in all of this various Beale research, thus far it has just produced more mystery and speculation without any of it being directly connected to the narration. This is why Beall can become Beale and why vague references in diaries and even natural fractures in rocks and the alignment of the stars can become Thomas J. Beale or TJB. It's all in what someone has convinced himself to believe or what they desire to believe.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Bottom line in all of this various Beale research, thus far it has just produced more mystery and speculation without any of it being directly connected to the narration. This is why Beall can become Beale and why vague references in diaries and even natural fractures in rocks and the alignment of the stars can become Thomas J. Beale or TJB. It's all in what someone has convinced himself to believe or what they desire to believe.

What we are looking at here are Failed attempts at deciphering and understanding the Beale Papers . Now we have all this conjecture that they the Beale Papers must be a hoax, because they could not decipher it ?

 

[bigscoop]

What we are looking at here are Failed attempts at deciphering and understanding the Beale Papers . Now we have all this conjecture that they the Beale Papers must be a hoax, because they could not decipher it ?

On the other hand, over the years we have tons of speculation and conjecture that the Beale papers are real because people believe that they have accurately decoded the ciphers. Never are these claimed successes the same and they are always attached to claim of error in the codes, etc. In the end what we really have are a series of efforts that became the result of what someone was expecting or hoping the ciphers to contain. Once someone has something in their head then it becomes much easier to manifest solutions around those central trains of thought. If someone desires that the solutions contain a Disney element then they can certainly produce it if they really desire to. But this certainly doesn't mean those solutions are accurate.

 

[ECS]

What we are looking at here are Failed attempts at deciphering and understanding the Beale Papers . Now we have all this conjecture that they the Beale Papers must be a hoax, because they could not decipher it ?

The major rub is that there is NO outside evidence outside of the Beale Papers that can confirm the events in the Beale narrative text ever happened.
If the Beale adventure never happened, which the lack of outside evidence leads, deciphering the ciphers in nothing but a futile exercise.
You seem to have a hard time comprehending this obvious fact.

 

[releventchair]

Ya, it is not that some folks who are not 100% supportive of the papers being a true account want no solution!
Simply that a solution that stands a litmus test of sorts ,by offering collaboration and tangible evidence outside the papers words alone... would go far in disproving a hoax theory and would support a more accepted view of the papers true content ...as far as there having existed all characters as presented and treasure and a key and events as presented in them.

 

[ECS]

If the 1885 Beale Papers were written as a dime adventure/treasure novel with parlor entertainment ciphers, it was NOT intended to be a hoax.