Jesse James Treasure

[savant365]

Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

There were several little things that this "team" did that just didn't seem right.

1. Rubbing a gold coin with their gloved fingers to get the dirt off of it. No one would do that if they had a clue what they were doing.

2. Digging with a spade like that after they found the top of the jar.

3. The glass from the broken jar looked like it was brand new. I have dug a lot of broken glass and I have never seen any that clean.

There were several other little things that I just don't think anyone who has been around treasure hunting for any length of time would do. This is just my personal opinion but it seems that there are a few others on here with the same opinions.

HH Charlie

 

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[fmrUSMC_0844]

Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

There were several little things that this "team" did that just didn't seem right.

1. Rubbing a gold coin with their gloved fingers to get the dirt off of it. No one would do that if they had a clue what they were doing.

2. Digging with a spade like that after they found the top of the jar.

3. The glass from the broken jar looked like it was brand new. I have dug a lot of broken glass and I have never seen any that clean.

There were several other little things that I just don't think anyone who has been around treasure hunting for any length of time would do. This is just my personal opinion but it seems that there are a few others on here with the same opinions.

HH Charlie

My personal favorite was scraping that gold with a pocket knife!!

 

[savant365]

My personal favorite was scraping that gold with a pocket knife!!

Yeah that was another one, lol. My personal favorite was the shiny, bright white porcelain lid liner and the fact that there was no dirt packed in the lid. I have dug my share of those too and it's hard enough to get one that's in one piece let alone that nice and clean. It just didn't look like a dug jar lid, at least not like any that I ever dug.

Charlie

 

[warsawdaddy]

Alec,what area of Ks was that 'canyon' in?I would think it would have to be in the SE of Ks.I think they mentioned central ks and the only area I could place that at would be in the Smokey Hill area or north of topeka.

 

[stilldign]

Alec,
Could you give a little more info on this guy....where's he from....is he working any other sites, etc. General information. If you don't feel comfortable doing this, that's fine. Maybe a pm would be better.
Thanks for the input that you've already given.

 

[pegleglooker]

Alec,
Could you give a little more info on this guy....where's he from....is he working any other sites, etc. General information. If you don't feel comfortable doing this, that's fine. Maybe a pm would be better.
Thanks for the input that you've already given.

I'd like to know more about him as well...

PLL

 

[rjw4law]

Everyone likes a good story.

 

[alec]

As far as I know he is from Kansas. He has lived in Kansas for the last several years and maybe his whole life. Also, as far as I know he's not working any other sites alhough I know he has poked around SE Kansas some a few years back and still may be. The site that they said was central Kansas is central Kansas. This is not near Topeka, it's farther west than that. I'm not going to give out any specific information about where the site is only because of the family who owns the land. I've worked with them before and I'm not going to put them in a position of having unwanted people trying to sneak onto the property.

Pastore used to have a couple of websites, one for some kind of mound exploration he supposedly did and the other was about JJ. As far as I know they have both been shut down for at least a couple of years. At one time he had written a book about "dingus" that he was trying to sell. He couldn't get it published anywhere but was selling it on his website. I'm sure with the TV show he may be trying to push that manuscript again somewhere. He also ran a small "museum" in Wichita, KS at one time focusing on JJ stuff. He used stuff from the James family that was on the show for his display. I think he charged to get into the museum, it didn't last long.

 

[stilldign]

Thanks Alec,
I wasn't wanting anything concerning the details of his treasure sites, maybe just a State that he is/was looking for treasure in. Thanks again!!!!!

 

[Shortstack]

That name "Pastore" kinda rang a bell in my memory. I stopped subscribing to the treasure hunting magazines back in the early to mid 1980s because they started to recycle treasure stories and even a lot of the "how-tos". Anyway, there was a guy and his wife that popped up all of a sudden with all kinds of articles of "finds" and how-to-do it stuff that were also recycled. You see, I had a hell of a collection of treasure mags and recognized the stories. Those people's name was Pastore and they were from New Jersey, I think. I remember thinking "how could they be doing all of their stuff in New Jersey; especially the pictures and info about the Southwestern states."

Fast forward to the History Channel's program.

I agree with the points already made about the conditions of the coins, glass, and using a knife on that "dore" bar. I'm no expert,but wasn't that "dore" bar pretty clean? I thought those bars were crappy looking because of the trash they carried with the gold.

The "expert" pointed out the anchor made with back to back "J's" , but he didn't say a word about the big spot (hole) on the left side of the figure that would indicate a possible cache.

And, the word "cache" is pronounced "cash" NOT "cash-aaaa".

Did anyone else notice the large, triangle-shaped stone covered in a layer of fresh dirt that they used to lay those rusted jar lid pieces on? I thought to myself, "Damn, that's a pointer stone that those fools MOVED." That's a big thing that told me those guys are amateurs.

Do those guys really think JJ dug out that "spotters seat" in that cliff? Dumb!!!!!

Do those guys REALLY think that JJ and crew would actually dig a 30 foot deep hole ANYWHERE, much less on a hilltop to hide ANYTHING? Then, they use a backhoe to dig down to within shovel depth and STOP! Pastore is trying to hook somemore investors for his project. Also, you can bet he gets a cut of the sales of the DVD's of the program from the History Channel folks. If I were in a position to investigate that area, those DVDs would allow me to study those carvings before going into the area. But, since I'm not going there, I won't be buying the disc.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Sorry ... I don't have an opinion yet. I just wanted to jump on the wagon and receive notices on this subject and get all of the good "dirt." But I will say this much ... I'm "digging" what I hear so far. Keep it coming, and take no prisoners. From what I gather, the James gang never did!

 

[lastleg]

I too noticed the Pastore name which was the same as Jay Pastore who
wrote for W&E Treasure Mag I believe. Probably a coincidence. Anyway,
supporters of this Pastore better start defending him. He's getting trounced
on here. I hope History Channel isn't in on any shenanegans during filming.

True TV has been airing some staged reality shows lately and needs to be
called on it. History Channel will get a black eye if this proves to be a hoax.

lastleg

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

If it is posted here, I apologize for missing it and for this repeat. But if not, it will be of interest to note that ...

The History Channel program will air again ...

This coming Saturday evening - November 14th at (Check your local listings)

 

[golddredgergold]

Oh boy this is getting good!

This is turning out to be a great story!

The program was pretty good compared to ones I have seen. Like the meteor men. Just was not enough! But the show gives off a very weird vibe. Not sure what is going on with this Pastore guy or the crew he brought along but they do not run the detectors well and I as a user of GPR am not impressed with the grid and scanning techniques. Next you are telling me that no one else has been over that area ten times over with a detector? Alec says that they had already covered that area with detectors previously. When we go out and find ANY signs like the marking on the rocks we really cover that ground. We won't miss it if something was in the ground. I was looking at the grass and weeds in the area. They did not cover it well at all. The only places the grass was trampled down was where the supposed treasure was buried. It does not take long to knock the grass down in an area when scanning it properly. The whole thing is nuts. I thought more highly of the program until I watched it the second time and really paid attention.

 

[Shortstack]

I won't automatically blackball The History Channel for this one program. If this Pastore is a real snakeoil salesman, he could easily have conned a city-boy producer working for the channel. I've watched UFO programs on the History Channel and they've been pretty evenhanded in their presentation, although a little bit more comments from skeptics, but that's OK. I've been in the UFO "game" for years and have seen some real stinker programs that claimed to be "fair". That one with Peter Jennings last year sucked big time because his personal negative bias showed through.

Anyway, I'll give The History Channel some slack for now. Their producer on that project is either a con artist or a con victim.

 

[savant365]

I don't think the History channel would knowingly be involved in anything rigged or we would have seen it happen before this. However I can see them getting duped into believeing what they see on tape. I doubt if any of the decision makers there would notice the things that we think are suspect. I'll give them the benifit of the doubt too and I'll lay odds that they have already recieved a few E-mails questioning the "finds" made on the show.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I'll give the History Channel the benefit of the doubt also. I watch it all the time, and find it "entertaining." But let's not forget, they will produce just about anything that will keep their ratings up.

After all, how many of us actually believe in Warewolves - Loc Ness - Big Foot - UFO's? And the list goes on and on. And yet, the History Channel doesn't seem to have a problem airing that kind of stuff. In fact, it's some of the most watched programming on the air! So why should we be surprised when they put together a program titled ... "Bigfoot Seen Lurking Around Site Of Buried Jesse James Treasure That Was Spotted From A UFO With A Warewolf For A Pilot And Nessie As The Co-Pilot."? Subtitled : "As Told By Direct Decendant Of Jesse James Who Claims His Cousin Bubba Is The Illigitiment Love Child Of Elvis Presley And Marilyn Monroe."

I know, you don't have to tell me I've gone too far. I'm just trying to exemplify that "When legend becomes fact, print the legend!"

For example; How many of us remember the movie, "The Left-Handed Gun," starring Paul Newman? For years people thought Billy The Kid was left handed, when in fact it turned out that the tin-plate negative of him was reversed, and that he was, and always had been right handed!

 

[pegleglooker]

I'll give the History Channel the benifit of the doubt too. I watch it all the time, and find it "entertaining." But let's not forget they will produce just about anything.

After all, how many of us actually believe in Warewolves - Loc Ness - Big Foot - UFO's
and the list goes on and on? And yet, the History Channel doesn't seem to have a problem airing that kind of stuff. In fact, it's some of the most watched programming on the air! So why should we be surprised when they put together a program that should have been titled... "Bigfoot Seen Lurking Around Site Of Buried Jesse James Treasure That Was Spotted From A UFO That Had A Warewolf For A Pilot And Nessie As The Co-Pilot." ?

WOW !!!!!! When does that air LOL

 

[olepossum]

all i got to say that if i was in a group with much fire power i would find it hard to sleep at night wondering who done it with what and where. not all of the sites on that show were in ks a very close family friend is commpettitors with pastore and they have bummped heads more than once on his uncles property in neosho missouri. which was where according to him was where one of the undisclosed sites were at was at uncle charlies farm in neosho missouri. i have also heard stories from family elders that a old hermit fella lived in the bluffs of south st joseph was a centinnal . from his cave on the bluffs he had a clear view of the stockyards the railyards and a field that has had nothing built on it since before the civil war. about half the size of a football field gonna go there someday and use the old dfx 300 and see what i can hear after i get permission from the railroad .the jars are what gave it away the sandy soil could have kept the silver clean as it was but surry folks i dont belive the story that jesse died in st. joseph mo april 3 1882 there is a book out written by vincel simmons called the jesse james the real story .and the dna was from the star report and due to the over abundant amount of people buried on the james farm the dna test was unconclusive but it may have been his dna ?either it is or it isnt his dna that is like this is my foot but it belongs to some one else . oh boy what am i getting my self into here ? good night all olepossum

 

[pegleglooker]

The thing that was the most compelling to me was Jesse M James, and his " possibility " of being the REAL James... Anyone have any info on this

PLL