Jesuit Mission Map, 1760

[motell6]

By 1760, there were plenty of Jesuit establshed missions. As the map denotes the Jesuits had a large foothold in New Spain,40 years before the year 1800...Still plenty of Jesuit missions and related treasures to be uncovered. Some missions were just 1 small abode building,like Tayopa,
haha.

 

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[DesertDavila]

While you're on this topic I have an interesting story to tell,I recently spoke with my aunt who lives in the state of Sonora Mexico, she told me, that she was told a story that happened this past summer,she said that in the village she's from at around mid nigth a young man who was at his friends house sitting in front of the house saw,about a dozen of what appeared to be priests who were dressed in dark robes ,the young man took a picture with his cell phone thinking nothing of it.When he got home he told his mom that he had seen these strange men walking at nigth in these dark robes with religious symbols on hand. This was strange because that nigth was really hot after all it is a desert,the young man then showed his mom the picture he had taken but there was nothing on the phone.From what I have been told ghost encounters in the summers months are not unusal,fire like ligths which tend to show up during the summer months which some say are buried treasure are common.The reason I bring this up is because I have been told stories of huge treasures from this small village ,this and the sorrunding areas are covered with symbols and old mines,further more I had an uncle who use to be a treasure hunter and he use to talk about tayopa and this small chuch, it was his belief that this small churh which by now is only a foundation is tayopa. I'm interested in any info you have on the jesuits and their churches,their symbols and what they mean.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good evening David: What do you wish to know?

Ole goat, that is my stompin ground. Most of them still exist with the same names, but not the same buildings..

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[gollum]

DDavila,

The light flashes typically happen in the rainy season during very humid times. Just around dusk is when they happen. Different colors denote different minerals.

Best-Mike

 

[DesertDavila]

Well I do know that yellow means gold,I think orange means copper,ligth blue means silver and white means I think iron,my dad talks alot about seeing these different colored ligths at nigth,he says he and my grandfather one time were on their way to their field which is not that far away from the town,he says that when they arrived there they saw this sort of gas like ligth which seemed to ligth up the valley but after a few seconds the ligth faded away.I have read some of the topics on this site that relate to tayopa and I have been doing research of my own, I just recently came a cross some documents on the internet, that are pretty much a bunch of letters of jesuit priets were they mention other real of mines to name a few el real de los Alamos,el real de San Juan Bautista,el real de minas de Opodepe,el real de rio chico,etc.etc.This to me is proof that the area is rich in minerals which is why I will make an attempt to search for old mines.I'm really interested in knowing more about the treasure of tayopa since my uncle spent a long time trying to find this treasure my dad says that near one of the 3 old chuches in the area there is an inscription that says something like (el tesoro mas grande bajo siete estados)which translates to the biggest treasure under seven states.My uncle was unable to understand what this ment he thougth that this treasure was hidden under seven of the mexican states,but in the book unfound treasures of mexico one state translates to I think 5'7" which is the depth for each state if that is true then maybe there's something there, so if you can provide me with any info on anything from signs & symbols,to maps.I thank you.

 

[motell6]

Lamuncha,Mexico is far to dangerous for me to stomp around in,I will stay East/West/North of the border.Davilla,I to have seen these flames come out of the ground from a distance, in the same location,off the I-5 freeway after dark North of Yerma.I have also had visons of Indians looking at me on some of my treasure hunts in the desert. There were very rich silver mines the Jesuits bank rolled in Alamos.Your storys are interesting,keep them rolling.

 

[DesertDavila]

Well since you mentioned indians I have a story that I was told about Geronimo ,I have read a lot of this towns history and around the 1880s' there were a lot of raids by the apaches on this town my dad tells me that he was told that Geronimo actually had a hide out in the surrounding area and that it was here, where he hid 200 gold bars nobody has found them since.He says that one of his friends from the town told him that he was seeing Geronimo in his dreams and that one nigth he was walking home at around dusk when he felt like somebody was behind him, he said that his friend was to afraid to turn around so he kept walking and that when he was approching the town he saw to his rigth,who he said was Geronimo leaning on a tree the man just ran and didn't look back, I don't blame him even though he's dead I don't know if I would approach him,and I agree with what you said it's to dangerous ,just last week I spoke to my aunt who told me not to come this Christmas because the drug runners were stopping all cars going into the town and if these guys don't like you they can do just about anything they want to they are the law,I think it was back in march when they gunned down the sheriff from a neigboring town.It's bad but I'm still going.

 

[motell6]

Gold as they say is where you find it, if you do happen to stumble across a few gold bars,it would be nice to view a photo of them.I have more Jesuit maps,let me know what area interests you,if I have I will post it.As much as I like Mexico,and I just polished off a nice buretto,its a shame whats going on with the drug dealing culture down there.Check with your local padre and see if he has access to any old documents that date back to the early 16 or 1700"s, there may be some good hunting clues for you. For now "vio condios".

 

[DesertDavila]

Well any maps you have of the town of Devisaderos in Sonora or Moctezuma,or any of the surrounding towns would be great ,anybit of information is relevant because it all adds up.despite the narco wars I'm still planing on going maybe in march I've been told so many stories of that town alone that talk about great treasures,lost mines,etc etc. In fact when I spoke with my aunt a week ago she told me that she was approached by a old lady in her 80's who was trying to sell these man rings with these colorfull stones,the old lady has no family only a sick husband and she just wanted a fare price for her rings this is proof to me that this town has great treasure just waiting to found I can't turn down that opportunity.My dad told me that one day when my grandfather was tending his field he saw an old man carrying a bucket with fig leafs on the top,when the old man tried to jump over a 4 foot high rock fence he fell and the bucket filled with gold coins just spilled out, the old man couldn't even carry the bucket.The temptation is to great,just story after story some you wouldn't believe.

 

[DesertDavila]

sighning off.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Be bk later this afternoon, was away on business. David, look at my avatar and get ready to ask questions. Incidentally, even a small bucket of gold will weigh over 400#.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[DesertDavila]

Well I was told that the bucket was not one of the now in days common 5 gallon plastic buckets but instead a tin or metallic bucket but either way at over 1,400 dollars an ounce that's a lot of money and these people live really humble lives you would never be able to tell from just looking at them that they had money.

 

[DesertDavila]

My uncle tried something really interesting back when he was searching for tayopa he made a deal with an engineer and they drilled o hole in one of the old churches I don't remember how deep they drilled but,the next thing they did was slide in a tube and pump into it about 50 gallons of water,this was intended to prove that the ground or at least some parts of it were hollow well had the groud been solid the water would have come back up but it didn't .I really think he was close His search for tayopa started around the early 1980's when he came to California to work I'm not sure but I think he met an old Indian who gave him this old book with the names and locations of mines of Sonora, the old Indian told him that this book was really valuable and that it was going to make him rich,well with this book he was able to find only one of the mines,the mine was on top of a mountain and was covered with 4 really thick and heavy pieces of wood.My grandfather was able to go threw a side cracks which they had to make because the wood was to heavy to move,the side crack was about 2 feet wide and about three feet long.With one of those old oil lamps on hand he was hoisted down, about five feet into this tunnel he saw colorfull stones but for what ever reason he told my dad and my uncle to hoist him back up I don't know why. My uncle took some soil samples about five pounds and had it tested to check for mineral content,well out of the 5 pounds of soil they found about 1 gram of pure 24 karat gold.Since my uncle passed away a couple of years ago I don't know were he left this book I think it's in his old house which is just filled with boxes of pictures of symbols and some old documents . I really hope to find this book I sure it's in his house somewhere I just have to look for it.The book was described to me as having really thick pages the book was about one inch thick but only had about 20 pages,for a total of about 40 front and back with some pictures.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hola Davila, for Tayopa go to -->http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,75.0.html

For the fires go to -->http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,325504.msg2367292.html#msg2367292

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,301060.0.html

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Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[DesertDavila]

Thank you Don Jose De La Mancha

 

[tapoutking]

Subscribed. Very cool stories. I would love to hunt in Mexico. Hell, I would love to just go and spend a weekend on the coast but unfortunately the drug wars have ruined that for me and others.

 

[DesertDavila]

Well I couldn't agree with you more the country is beautiful the beaches breathtaking and the landscape unforgettable.Unfortunately you have the drug wars, there was a time when come march the farmers would start plowing their field for the growing season to grow beans, corn,watermelons,melons,salary which grows wild and there was alot of citrus piking.That unfortunately is not the case today,now in days .........the fields are plowed but in order to grow mariguana,the problem with that is they more often then not have somebody guarding the fields against anybody the police are no longer a threat heck!!!Most of the police work for them and the ones who refuse to sell their souls are killed along with their families, for us treasure hunters who enjoy a good adventure it could be really dangerous worst case scenario you happen to stumble into one of their fields wile hiking up a mountain or down a valley and you're spotted what can you possibly do run of course but that just makes you even more suspicious then if your cough what can you possibly say that is of course assuming the language barrier isn't a problem for you ,it's almost like treasure hunting in the old west always having to look behind your shoulders but the lure is there you can't just turn your back on it.I'm thinking about going in march I couldn't be going in the worst time because from what my aunt tells me that's when they start plowing the fields for the mariguana I would really hate to be placed in that scenario but if you are willing to brave the dangers who knows you might not regret it for all who know the treasure stories of the Jesuits you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Be safe

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hola Davilla: You are correct. However in the long run it still isn't much different than in the 50's when I first started looking and exploring. the Bandidos were active in the off roads areas where there was no law except what you personally could enforce, which was most of Mexico in those days. Then I could legally carry firearms and always went with my S&W .357. Yes, there were a few interesting encounters. I still have the habit of sleeping with a pistol about waist level under the blankets, it served it's purpose.

The last trip up to Tayopa I found that they were irrigating their crop from a seepage from one of Tayopa's closed tunnels. Since we have been friends for years, we simply made a joke of it, however, in the back of my mind lingered the doubt of being able to prove my innocence since they were using the water from my mine, so it was evident that I knew of it.

But, as you have stated the goodies are there, if you can handle the modern, version of the past, such as the Apaches..

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".

 

[DesertDavila]

That quote says it all.........Their is one thing that conflicts me you see I have read some documents that are just a bunch of what appear to be Jesuit letters which are addressed to different people from generals,to Jesuits,to visiting Jesuits,most have to do with the hostility of the native tarahumaras,pimas,opatas,yaquis, sumas,jamos,jacomos,and of coarse the well known Apaches, I have read I think in some other forums related to tayopa something that I have asked my self in regards to the signs and symbols used by the Jesuits to hide their treasures/mines,why would they use the ,then standard use of symbols to hide their treasures some beleave that these symbols were just decoys for the Spanish soldiers since it was against Spanish law for priest to operate mines,however in reading some of these letters I've come to think that maybe the symbols are accurate since the Jesuits appear to have been in almost constant attack by the natives specially in the real of mines which are mentioned,these mines must have been really valuable.I suppose they chose the lesser of two evils risk being cough by the Spanish soldiers or being over thrown by the natives,I wonder in your search for Tayopa and other treasures have you found symbols to be usefull or misleading since I have some symbols which I want to translate and I just don't know if it will be worth it,because if following the symbols alone was the way to treasure then many of these treasures would have been found by now right?.

 

[Oroblanco]

Tag post - LOVE that map, great stories!
Oroblanco