Known Treasure Wrecks undiscovered

[Tanneyhill]

Manila Galleons
900 to 1000 tons prior to 1700.
E to W
Tons of P of 8 which may not be a major treasure due to the fact of number previously recovered. No Mel Fisher price enhancement.
W to E
To my knowledge all religious gold artifacts recovered in the Caribbean were made in Manila by Chinese gold smiths. However in about 1625-1630 Spanish were worried about the number in Manila so they slaughtered about 25,000 of them. Therefore I believe that MG's prior to 1630 would be worth finding.
Porcelain could be of some value however the issue is that about 200,000 pieces of Ming, Ching or similar pieces have already been found and auctioned off, thereby reducing value substantially.

I would be attracted to a W to E galleon prior to 1630.
Just my opinions after 4 years of research into MG's.

Anywhere I can find a list of W to E (Manilla to Acapulco) pre-1630 Manilla galleons that wrecked?

 

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[enrada]

Two books would be a good beginning;
John S Potter. "The Treasure Divers Guide"
Nigel Pickford "The Atlas of Shipwrecks & Treasure"
2 other large volumes for the serious.
I would call the first book most reliable. Second book is written by a researcher who contracts with treasure hunters and I would call some of his locations misguided.
Both are available often on Ebay.
I have. a list of 55 MG's in my research.
My personal experience is corruption and bribery in trying to deal with the Philippine government. I think it would be absolutely mandatory to be self contained to work there.
I got a permit for Guam but was asked for the brown paper bag from the Governor at the time. He ended up committing suicide in the town square the day before he was being sent to jail in California. still interested?!!!!
I guess my question is why your interest in an E>W wreck. Would be mostly Pof8 which the world is oversupplied with and would not reach the value of Mel Fisher Atocha prices.
Or you are going on a dive trip through the Pacific and would just like to stop and dive somewhere for a few days?

 

[Tanneyhill]

Two books would be a good beginning;
John S Potter. "The Treasure Divers Guide"
Nigel Pickford "The Atlas of Shipwrecks & Treasure"
2 other large volumes for the serious.
I would call the first book most reliable. Second book is written by a researcher who contracts with treasure hunters and I would call some of his locations misguided.
Both are available often on Ebay.
I have. a list of 55 MG's in my research.
My personal experience is corruption and bribery in trying to deal with the Philippine government. I think it would be absolutely mandatory to be self contained to work there.
I got a permit for Guam but was asked for the brown paper bag from the Governor at the time. He ended up committing suicide in the town square the day before he was being sent to jail in California. still interested?!!!!
I guess my question is why your interest in an E>W wreck. Would be mostly Pof8 which the world is oversupplied with and would not reach the value of Mel Fisher Atocha prices.
Or you are going on a dive trip through the Pacific and would just like to stop and dive somewhere for a few days?

Thank you for the recommendations of those books (I will search for them). My apologies I meant Manilla to Acapulco (I corrected my post). I am fascinated with Chinese gold jewelry from that time period. You know any of these galleons?

 

[enrada]

Tanneyhill
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[Tanneyhill]

Tanneyhill
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[Magoopeter]

Anywhere I can find a list of W to E (Manilla to Acapulco) pre-1630 Manilla galleons that wrecked?

I will have a look I should have a list, some were

 

[Tanneyhill]

Found this site:

https://sites.google.com/view/manilagalleonlisting/home

Probably not a complete list but there are a few pre-1630 lost most in and around the Philippines, Japan, Saipan etc ...

Philippines and Japan are out of my sphere of interest for now but Saipan could be possible, although I will continue to dig near the Americas excluding the Beeswax, Drakes Bay, and those around Catalina Island.

Anyone heard anything about the San Antonio?

1603 - San Antonio - while the ‘San Antonio,’ most richly laden, and with many people who, in order to escape the hardships of that city, were going to Nueva España, suffered a greater hardship—for it was swallowed up by the sea, and no one heard what became of it.”

Her consort, the “almiranta riquísima,” San Antonio, not only carried the greatest wealth of any galleon up to that time, but there had sailed on her many of the first citizens of the city, who with their families were ‘fleeing from the troubles of that city.’ In some unknown spot the galleon was swallowed up by the sea.”

Most richly laden up until that time, but if it was swallowed by the ocean without any survivors it could have gone down anywhere.

 

[Tanneyhill]

Certainly the 17 ships capsized from Florida to the Azores in 1591 with the armada and fleet of Diego de Ribera.
VV

What is the story here if I may ask? Is this related to the Anglo-Spanish conflict (Battle of Flores) in 1591?

Update: Ah it was right after the Anglo-Spanish battle when a hurricane swept through the Azores and ravaged all the ships.

NY Times 1995 article: Watery Grave of the Azores To Yield Shipwrecked Riches